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Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge

SCOTUS has already ruled it's just fine. This activist judge's decision will be overturned.

The activist judge was Justice Roberts when he wrongly legislated from the bench and on his own declared the penalty connected to the mandate as a tax. he did not seem to understand that there are three separate but equal branches of government. The executive branch, the legislative branch and the judicial branch. Roberts wrongly acted as both the judicial branch and the legislative branch. Congress never presented the penalty as a tax and the democrats spent months denying that it was. Now fast forward to the federal judge in Texas. He is absolutely right.
After congress and the president repealed the individual mandate, Obamacare no longer has any legal standing.
 
two things about Roberts. Roberts is a big believer that voters who vote for stupid things should suffer the consequences. He another is some merit to this-sees Congress as having abdicated some of its duties and responsibilities to govern and that failure has caused the Court to have to clean up things that are best left to elected representatives. The second thing, and more disturbing, is that I think Roberts often tries to impress the legal scholars/commentators. Obviously, the four dissenting judges were right -the tenth amendment combined with the commerce clause do not give Congress the power to make people buy health insurance, but Roberts wants to be loved by the academics/commentators so he directly rejected the Obamacare counsel's position and did find it to be a tax and thus give the AHCA a plurality win.

it will be interesting to see if he tries to weasel out of this next time

I was surprised that they did not use the (ridiculous?) argument that by not engaging in (well intended?) commerce that you are affecting commerce none the less. The entire concept of the PPACA 'individual mandate' is that your income can be additionally taxed based on how you did not elect to later spend it on a specific 'private' good/service. Using the 16A (the power to tax income from all sources) to support a federal mandate to buy a specific 'private' good/service is a step way beyond any constitutional intent.
 
Democrats broke healthcare when they unanimously passed Obamacare. Dems need to stop demanding Republicans fix their monumental F-up and repair what they broke.

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That or they should at least be willing to work with the republicans to solve it, rather then treating the legislation as the democrat party's holy grail that must be defended at all cost. The democrats are letting their egos get in the way of common sense and long term political survival. Going it alone was never wise on healthcare reform. They had no political cover when it went south on them.
 
Yeah, it was a bad law, done in a bad manner. And Obama and Democrats payed dearly for it.

But it WAS the law. And a lot of people came to depend on it. And Trump and the GOP broke it. And now Trump does not want to pay the consequences for killing the mandate, so he's ordering Congress to come up with basically another Obamacare.

Perhaps someone has not explained to you that Trump runs the executive branch. Congress is the legislative branch. Any fix has to be proposed in Congress. Then the president either signs it into law or vetoes it. And he is not asking them to come up with another "obamacare". He is asking them to come up with something that actually works. As for alot of people depending on Obamacare, alot more people are being hurt then helped by obamacare. And many of those who are so-called being helped, cannot afford to use the insurance they gained.
 
Understand the sentiment, but probably wouldn’t work. You think 20-30 somethings would save for old age, especially for its illnesses? Both SS and Medicare are a mandatory baseline, and the govt makes it possible for us to supplement and beyond through other regs. Politically a non-starter, tho theoretically discussable, to make these voluntary.

I agree, probably a dead end politically. But look how it's ended up; there are many people who never worked enough for SS, or get only a few $ per month. They end up on welfare anyways. And if a person doesn't have Medicare, they just get Medicaid instead. And it's a far better deal.

What I would prefer is the government say a person must have an adequate retirement program, and health insurance, but not necessarily through the government. However, a basic plan will be offered through the government should you choose to take it.
 
Obamacare for millions is better than the status quo before it.

How so?


I know that because I'm one who benefited from it tremendously, and there are millions like me.

How specifically did you benefit from it tremendously? I was one of the eight million whose health insurance was canceled by obamacare.

You can just about guarantee a democratic total takover in 2020 if they take it away,

That kind of reminds me of a similar threat by the democrats when they passed obamacare. When the republicans made it clear they would do everything they could to repeal obamacare, the democrats said: "Yeah, let them run on that." Well, they did and ended up taking the house of reps and most state legislatures in 2010, the senate in 2014, and the White House in 2016. My bet is that if the Texas judges decision holds up in the SCOTUS, conservatives will consider the repeal and replace promise republicans ran on for 7 years honored and will come out in massive numbers to vote for them in 2020.

millions are tired of not having health care because they can't afford it,

Millions are tired of not being able to afford to use the obamacare approved healthcare insurance they have now.

or being denied health care because of a preexisting condition. They want to go back to the insanity?

With the massive deductibles that came with obamacare, pre-existing condition coverage is meaningless until those high deductibles are met anyway. Obamacare has basically turned most health insurance policies into prohibitively expensive catastrophic health insurance.

Try it, and see how the vote turns out in 2020.

Continue to treat Obamacare as the holy grail of your party that must be defended at all costs and see how that works out for you.Obamacare has destroyed the democrats in the 2010, 2014, and 2016 elections. How much more punishment do you desire?
 
Didn't the US Supreme Court already rule that the ACA was constitutional. Now one of trump's butt kissers has decided to give trump a diversion.

As for Mitch and Nancy being expected to get it done - Pelosi is NOT in charge of the House until next year. Mitch and Paul have had 2 years to 'get it done' .

trump - shove your distraction up your orange butt.

This will NOT make the Mueller investigation go away.

Nice try though.

Sounds like a bad case of TDS.
 
It's up to both Republicans and Democrats to come to a bipartisan solution that they can both agree on. It's not up to John Roberts to save Obamacare.

Agreed. It is what should have happened to begin with. The democrats going it along on healthcare without political cover is what actually sunk obamacare. it just took eight years to kill it.
 
Agreed. It is what should have happened to begin with. The democrats going it along on healthcare without political cover is what actually sunk obamacare. it just took eight years to kill it.

LOL! It's the Repubs that just ditched their political cover. Thanks Texas! The map just got a little bluer.
 
Only in America would trying to provide basic healthcare for everyone be ruled unconstitutional, yet carrying a semi automatic down the street is fine :lamo

Mandating that all Americans must buy health insurance is blatantly unconstitutional. Deep down, I'd bet that you understand that. Read the 10th amendment. A good health insurance bill would seek to make health insurance available to all Americans, but not force everyone to buy it.
 
Oh I'm aware of the second amendment, I just think that's it crazy people care more about guns than making sure everyone is healthy.

Is obamacare making everyone healthy? no! Millions cannot afford to use their health insurance, because of the high premiums and massive deductibles.
 
Take your hand off your ears and accept that both parties should do what should have been done to begin with. Work towards healthcare reform that both parties and the majority of Americans could live with. It's called compromise. the democrat party has made two mistakes that has virtually destroyed them. First mistake was not seriously working with the republicans to begin with on healthcare reform.The go it alone approach did not work out well for them. Second mistake is the democrat party's continued efforts to treat the ACA as the party's holy grail that must be defended at all costs.

I see you didn't bother to itemize what Republican mistakes were.

I was royally pissed off at how Democrats did Obamacare. I was still a Republican then. But I'm not a Republican anymore because as bad as Democrats were, Republicans were worse. And Republicans still have no ideas for how to achieve what Trump promised. Trump called what Republicans offered "mean" but he was going to sign it, because all he wanted was to break Obamacare. He would agree to anything that Republicans could get through both houses.

You think the Republicans who couldn't come up with a "replace" plan that they could agree on when they had both houses of Congress are going to be will to compromise with Democrats to come up with a "replace" plan?

No, me neither.

So, we're left with one big busted law that Trump is celebrating breaking but now waving his arms over and saying "fix this" ... because deep down he knows how bad things are going to get now that he got what he wished for.
 
I see you didn't bother to itemize what Republican mistakes were.

I was royally pissed off at how Democrats did Obamacare. I was still a Republican then. But I'm not a Republican anymore because as bad as Democrats were, Republicans were worse. And Republicans still have no ideas for how to achieve what Trump promised. Trump called what Republicans offered "mean" but he was going to sign it, because all he wanted was to break Obamacare. He would agree to anything that Republicans could get through both houses.

You think the Republicans who couldn't come up with a "replace" plan that they could agree on when they had both houses of Congress are going to be will to compromise with Democrats to come up with a "replace" plan?

No, me neither.

So, we're left with one big busted law that Trump is celebrating breaking but now waving his arms over and saying "fix this" ... because deep down he knows how bad things are going to get now that he got what he wished for.

I can't disagree. Republicans could have moved the matter forward, but for ONE member-McCain. We'd be having a totally different conversation if McCain hadn't decided that one of his lasts acts in Congress would be to give Trump a HUGE middle finger.
 
I can't disagree. Republicans could have moved the matter forward, but for ONE member-McCain. We'd be having a totally different conversation if McCain hadn't decided that one of his lasts acts in Congress would be to give Trump a HUGE middle finger.

That's why people loved McCain. He was a stand up guy and apparently was one of the few left in the GOP with a conscience.
 
I see you didn't bother to itemize what Republican mistakes were.

In regards to Obamacare, which republican mistakes should I be itemizing? Democrats pretty much shut the republicans out of the healthcare debate when they came up with obamacare.

I was royally pissed off at how Democrats did Obamacare. I was still a Republican then. But I'm not a Republican anymore because as bad as Democrats were, Republicans were worse. And Republicans still have no ideas for how to achieve what Trump promised. Trump called what Republicans offered "mean" but he was going to sign it, because all he wanted was to break Obamacare. He would agree to anything that Republicans could get through both houses.

You think the Republicans who couldn't come up with a "replace" plan that they could agree on when they had both houses of Congress are going to be will to compromise with Democrats to come up with a "replace" plan?

No, me neither.

So, we're left with one big busted law that Trump is celebrating breaking but now waving his arms over and saying "fix this" ... because deep down he knows how bad things are going to get now that he got what he wished for.

I certainly do not hold the republicans blameless this many years later. They campaigned on repeal and replace for 7 years. Then when in 2016, they got the chance with Trump's election, they **** their pants. They initially planned on doing nothing because they had bought into the Russian collusion hoax and thought Trump would be gone in six months. Then when that did not happen, they still barely could work up the spine to vote on any form of repeal and replace. Adn when they did, it was tanked by that Arizona turd, John McCain. And Trump had little choice. the only way to make Obamacare go away was to sign whatever version of repeal and replace(minus the mandates) could make it through congress. and then get congress on both sides to tweak it.When that failed, he pushed the republicans to do the next best thing and repeal the individual mandate. I said at the time, it would be the beginning of the end of Obamacare and that now appears to be the case. When Obamacare goes away, the democrats will not have the political power to recreate it. Andy replacement healthcare bill will now have to be worked out with both parties, which should have been done to begin with. When Obamacare was signed into law, it was a one party bill with no political cover. That is what broke it. It is asinine for you to now attempt to put the onus on Trump and the republicans.
 
do you think the GOP should have solutions for an issue that the federal government should not properly be involved in?
Why do you think the fed gov should not be involved in this?
 
In regards to Obamacare, which republican mistakes should I be itemizing? Democrats pretty much shut the republicans out of the healthcare debate when they came up with obamacare.

I was royally pissed off at how Democrats did Obamacare. I was still a Republican then. But I'm not a Republican anymore because as bad as Democrats were, Republicans were worse. And Republicans still have no ideas for how to achieve what Trump promised. Trump called what Republicans offered "mean" but he was going to sign it, because all he wanted was to break Obamacare. He would agree to anything that Republicans could get through both houses.



I certainly do not hold the republicans blameless this many years later. They campaigned on repeal and replace for 7 years. Then when in 2016, they got the chance with Trump's election, they **** their pants. They initially planned on doing nothing because they had bought into the Russian collusion hoax and thought Trump would be gone in six months. Then when that did not happen, they still barely could work up the spine to vote on any form of repeal and replace. Adn when they did, it was tanked by that Arizona turd, John McCain. And Trump had little choice. the only way to make Obamacare go away was to sign whatever version of repeal and replace(minus the mandates) could make it through congress. and then get congress on both sides to tweak it.When that failed, he pushed the republicans to do the next best thing and repeal the individual mandate. I said at the time, it would be the beginning of the end of Obamacare and that now appears to be the case. When Obamacare goes away, the democrats will not have the political power to recreate it. Andy replacement healthcare bill will now have to be worked out with both parties, which should have been done to begin with. When Obamacare was signed into law, it was a one party bill with no political cover. That is what broke it. It is asinine for you to now attempt to put the onus on Trump and the republicans.
Really? Unlike any of the GOP bills from 2017, which were all negotiated in secret and shown to everyone only the night before the vote, Obamacare was debated for months in open sessions with republicans making numerous alterations.

Why is the right so full of gullible amnesiacs? If you want to talk about a party acting ****ty and shutting people out, let's compare the dems during Obamacare to the repubs at any point in 2017. I challenge you!
 
I agree, probably a dead end politically. But look how it's ended up; there are many people who never worked enough for SS, or get only a few $ per month. They end up on welfare anyways. And if a person doesn't have Medicare, they just get Medicaid instead. And it's a far better deal.

What I would prefer is the government say a person must have an adequate retirement program, and health insurance, but not necessarily through the government. However, a basic plan will be offered through the government should you choose to take it.

How is that different from what we have now? Btw, do you know what other developed countries have that is like Social Security?
 
Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obamacare-ruled-unconstitutional-by-texas-judge

The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, was struck down by a Texas judge on Friday, a move that could suddenly disrupt the health insurance status of millions of Americans. The decision comes amid a six-week open enrollment period for the program.

We knew this from day 1.

Just a few more good picks by Trump and maybe we can stem the flow of illegal immigration and enact stronger voter security laws by judicial fiat.
 
Really? Unlike any of the GOP bills from 2017, which were all negotiated in secret and shown to everyone only the night before the vote, Obamacare was debated for months in open sessions with republicans making numerous alterations.

Why is the right so full of gullible amnesiacs? If you want to talk about a party acting ****ty and shutting people out, let's compare the dems during Obamacare to the repubs at any point in 2017. I challenge you!

Your account of the passage of the ACA made me think: after participating in the formation of the bill, what were the reasons offered as to why the GOP wasn’t on board for final passage? Secondly, when McCain cast the deciding vote against repeal, was there an alternative plan offered as a substitution?
 
How is that different from what we have now? Btw, do you know what other developed countries have that is like Social Security?

Right now you HAVE to pay into SS and Medicare. I'll bite; what do other countries have?
 
Why do you think the fed gov should not be involved in this?

because the commerce clause was not sufficient grounds to authorize it
 
Right now you HAVE to pay into SS and Medicare. I'll bite; what do other countries have?

I don’t know. Most (all?) other developed countries have government health insurance, but I don’t know what or if they have anything like SS. That’s why I asked.
 
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