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Mystery Mueller mayhem at a Washington court

NeverTrumpGOP said:
Damn. This thing was all over CNN. They were tracking the cars coming and going and didn't seem to see any indication of the first family. But yes, someone pretty rich and/or powerful.

Who I want it to be:

1. Matt Whitaker- It's my suspicion that Trump is right to be fearful of the leakers and the wiretaps in his circle. He is doing some illegal crap and everyone including the Mueller knows it! Mueller, like the rest of the public also knows about the high turnover rate at the WH! It is not a stretch to suggestion that Whitaker is a spy for Mueller pretending to spy for Trump. Yup I believe that fits the definition of a double agent. Trump thinks that Whitaker is his loyal servant, the Mueller has employed him to keep an eye out for them, while he tells Trump he is keeping an eye out for them.

Who it probably is:

1. Maria Butina- Russia is sending the signals out to all it's assassins that Butina's time is up. They have publicly disowned her after their pitiful attempt at accusing the US gov't of torturing her. In fact, the US prosecutors have been given the permission to move Butina with the option of testifying under a sealed filing that was made public by 'mistake.'

Part II: Is this a Russian trap set by Mueller? Did they purposely misfile it to see just how important Butina is to their country? Does this mean the reports of Mueller finishing up his investigation is indeed true?


2. Erik Prince- In January 11, 2017 Prince met in the Seychelles with the UAE in which Prince presented himself as Trump's unofficial representative to get back-channel communications to Russia. In December Prince met with Trump's transition team probably to discuss this deal. With the report that just came out recently, about Mueller moving in on other countries' ties to Trussia collusion, I would bet good money that it is Prince.

There's been a lot of wishful tweeting about who it was so let's clear the air here.

Who it Probably isn't:
1. Donald Trump (Himself)- Trump didn't have anything on his schedule today, and he's not scheduled to leave DC until this weekend. Trump has been "practicing" ditching the press for a few weeks. So it's not a stretch to think that Trump might have wanted to keep this indictment all under wraps, but that sounds pretty hard and there's been no indication that Trump has agreed to cooperate. The leaky WH would never have been able to keep it secret.

2. Members of Trump family (except Jared): I've seen Jared slink off away from the family, so it might be him. But it's not Ivanka, Eric or Trump JR (he's in Canada apparently).

Gotta say, I'm having fun with this speculation :popcorn2: :popcorn2:
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Well, just to fuel speculation, one of the folks involved apparently was Mullers expert on terrorism , specifically cyber terrorism.
 
"Oh the secrecy of the person involved must be someone in Trump's family like Don Jr. or Ivanka". "They must be very wealthy". says the left in hopeful anticipation

Did it ever occur to anyone it could very well have to do with the Podesta brothers? John's widdle brudder Tony is in deep **** over how he ran his lobbying firm, the largest in Washington at the time and his dirty ties to Ukraine and Russia. And the dude is filthy rich.

And if it is, while his name has been kept out of the headlines, he is just as dirty as Manafort. Manafort sits in solitary confinement badgered everyday by Mueller. Tony baby gets special treatment. Gee someone cynical would think that is because Manafort is tied to Trump and the Podestas are tied to the Clintons.
 
vesper said:
"Oh the secrecy of the person involved must be someone in Trump's family like Don Jr. or Ivanka". "They must be very wealthy". says the left in hopeful anticipation

Did it ever occur to anyone it could very well have to do with the Podesta brothers? John's widdle brudder Tony is in deep **** over how he ran his lobbying firm, the largest in Washington at the time and his dirty ties to Ukraine and Russia. And the dude is filthy rich.

And if it is, while his name has been kept out of the headlines, he is just as dirty as Manafort. Manafort sits in solitary confinement badgered everyday by Mueller. Tony baby gets special treatment. Gee someone cynical would think that is because Manafort is tied to Trump and the Podestas are tied to the Clintons.
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No. It’s CHELSEA!

Because as we know, the Muller investigation is all about the Clintons. And Benghazi! And the Obama IRS scandal! And (insert wingnut fantasy here)!!!
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (CNN) Mystery Mueller mayhem at a Washington court

This is essentially a "Seinfeld" story. It's a story about "nothing". It posits little, and draws no conclusions.

But it is interesting in it's imagery and detail of the extent the court is going through to maintain seal (secrecy). I followed this event on cable today, and when I saw it online from an MSN source I jumped on it to present it here.

I hope you enjoy it!
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Thanks Chomsky. Although I of course don't know, I would posit that this was a meeting of lawyers before the judge. The identity of the lawyers had to be protected because any reporter could put other clues together and deduce who the lawyers client is. Due to the very unusual security, I would also guess that someone very high up could be considering flipping and teasing out "deal" and "immunity" details with the judge present.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The last poll I saw had Mueller approval at 43.....really bad for the best guy for a very important job, a guy who has had most of a life with the best training available to get ready. My power is out and I am not good at this phone thing so I have no link.
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Same poll put #45's approval rating at 29% "... really bad for the best guy for a very important job"
 
AncientGeek said:
Same poll put #45's approval rating at 29% "... really bad for the best guy for a very important job"
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America is coming apart after many decades of neglect.

If you are American you are not going to like where this train goes.
 
USViking said:
Haha- what's that? A Corgi?

I like all dogs, but for your own welfare you should know you are dealing with a Mastiff.
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Off thread topic, but my sister's Corgi "herded" my Irish Wolfhounds - as long as they were having fun going along with it.
 
Threegoofs said:
No. It’s CHELSEA!

Because as we know, the Muller investigation is all about the Clintons. And Benghazi! And the Obama IRS scandal! And (insert wingnut fantasy here)!!!
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"Any crimes that may arise".

Are you suggesting that Mueller ignore crimes?
 
apdst said:
"Any crimes that may arise".

Are you suggesting that Mueller ignore crimes?
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Let's leave it in context: The ongoing Special Counsel investigation is a United States law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere, with primary focus on the 2016 presidential election. This investigation includes any possible links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." In addition, the scope of the investigation reportedly includes potential obstruction of justice by Trump and others.
 
AncientGeek said:
Let's leave it in context: The ongoing Special Counsel investigation is a United States law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere, with primary focus on the 2016 presidential election. This investigation includes any possible links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." In addition, the scope of the investigation reportedly includes potential obstruction of justice by Trump and others.
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There you go. Mueller is literally the most powerful man in the world. He can investigate anyone he wants.
 
Mach said:
Yeah, I heard the press pooled their resources, used a joint email account, and all kept an eye out.
I think they may have had better luck if they had left one person there, and everyone else had used their resources to check on the whereabouts of everyone it "may have been", and see if they could process of elimination it out.
If one group finishes, they just pick up someone not yet confirmed, etc.
Distributed tasks are normally hard to orchestrate, but it looks like they did the hard part...I feel they task they distributed was maybe the wrong one ;)

(I have absolutely no idea how hard it is to identify the whereabouts of people on short notice, but they are reporters...they gotta be able to??)
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Not a bad idea in principle, but I’ll bet not one of them would have thought to check on Emmet Flood’s whereabouts.
 
USViking said:
Haha- what's that? A Corgi?

I like all dogs, but for your own welfare you should know you are dealing with a Mastiff.
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Not “dealing with,” more like “toying with!”

It’s the inter webs, you can be whatever you want to be........think big!
 
Rexedgar said:
Not “dealing with,” more like “toying with!”

It’s the inter webs, you can be whatever you want to be........think big!
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The only thing you are capable of toying with is a certain article of your anatomy.
 
USViking said:
The only thing you are capable of toying with is a certain article of your anatomy.
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I would have to remove said article from a portion of your anatomy first!


Have a nice evening....:2wave:
 
Chomsky said:
Mueller's approval has been notching up recently. I think it was 56-37 approve/disapprove in Fox' recent poll.
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Update:

Mueller's approval rating is also down in the poll: 43% approve and 40% disapprove. That compares to a 48% approve to 36% disapprove split in early October. The dip in Mueller's numbers comes almost entirely among independents, among whom approval has fallen 10 points to 36%. Among partisans on both sides, Mueller's approval holds about even with where it was in an October survey — 71% of Democrats approve as do 21% of Republicans.

By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director 4 days ago
 
Beaudreaux said:
Thanks for posting this.

As Alice said: things are getting "Curiouser and Curiouser."

Also, CNN actually wrote an article that was interesting about this mess that didn't tee me off with any hyperbole or unfounded prognostications. Just good, professional, reporting.
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And, of course, the headline writer giggled as he wrote with such alliterative flair.... could have done better, tho: Mystery Mueller Mayhem Amazes Mavens Monitoring Mountain of Material Made available for Magistrates to Muse over.... as far as I could go...
 
Born Free said:
Update:

Mueller's approval rating is also down in the poll: 43% approve and 40% disapprove. That compares to a 48% approve to 36% disapprove split in early October. The dip in Mueller's numbers comes almost entirely among independents, among whom approval has fallen 10 points to 36%. Among partisans on both sides, Mueller's approval holds about even with where it was in an October survey — 71% of Democrats approve as do 21% of Republicans.

By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director 4 days ago
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The rise in disapproval starts to match the approval for Trump overall, which isn't surprising if you consider that Mueller has already led the DOJ to conclude that Trump has committed at least one crime twice, and is likely to find in the coming months that he's committed more. When Republicans believed Mueller's investigation was going nowhere it was easier to regard him as harmless. But now that they know he's anything but harmless they like him a lot less now.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Not at the rate Mr Hatchet Man et al are going......they are failing, Muellers approval rating is in the ditch, this never should have happened....the best of the best these days rather suck.
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The law is not a popularity contest. Muellers popularity is of no consequence, it is the sad effect of politicizing the legal system/judicial system by partizan conservatives who do not care about the truth if it does not fit their political views.
 
apdst said:
At the appeals court? Doubtful.

What's most likely, is this is the beginning of the witch hunts disintigration.
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This is not a witchhunt, the only witchhunt I find is the one against Mueller and the judicial system.
 
Cardinal said:
The rise in disapproval starts to match the approval for Trump overall, which isn't surprising if you consider that Mueller has already led the DOJ to conclude that Trump has committed at least one crime twice
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Have you ever dealt with facts. Where is the crime, where is the indictment, where is the conviction.

, and is likely to find in the coming months that he's committed more
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Maybe, he could be, I think he might, itls likely. Come on. Try quoting facts.

When Republicans believed Mueller's investigation was going nowhere it was easier to regard him as harmless. But now that they know he's anything but harmless they like him a lot less now.
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Russia, Russia, Russia, collusion, Collusion, collusion. What happened to all that?????? All you libs were saying, Flynn is now going to roll over and tell Mueller everything and bring Trump down. Oh Manafort is going to spill his guts and bring down Trump, O and the Trump Tower meeting that is loaded with collusion and Trump is going down. Now we have convicted liar Cohen, good luck with him bringing Trump down, he can't keep himself out of jail and he's a lying lawyer.

The perception of Mueller is he's looking for a crime, not that he had one to start with. Now it's clear he has and is twisting arms to get people to lie for him to bring down Trump.

"Defendant Mueller has threatened to indict Plaintiff Corsi and effectively put him in federal prison for the rest of his life unless Plaintiff Corsi would provide the false testimony that they demanded, even after being informed that the testimony desired would be false," Corsi wrote in the lawsuit.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/p...rt-mueller-claims-hes-being-unfairly-targeted

Try waiting for some facts and slow down on all the Trump is going down BS.

Mueller is losing ground in public opinion, as is the Dems on all this Russia / Collusion BS, as Mueller is showing himself as doing nothing more than trying to bring Trump down no matter the cost. He will not quit until he gets his witness to say what he wants. Go back to the lawsuit by Corsi.
 
apdst said:
For Mueller and the deep state, you're right.
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deep state :lamo :lamo Hilarious, all because the conservatives are throwing a temper tantrum because they do not want the level of Russian interference in the last presidential election to be investigated.
 
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