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Girl dies after being detained by U.S. Border Patrol-Washington Post

A lot of these people should be getting a health evaluation, and you Trumpers should have thought about that before supporting these separate and detain policies
And how exactly would that have made a difference 90 miles out in the desert? That's where the girl suffered her fatal conditions.
 
A lot of these people should be getting a health evaluation, and you Trumpers should have thought about that before supporting these separate and detain policies

Its odd that you would support keeping the children with sex traffickers....

"There is a lot of blame to share. That includes President Bill Clinton and the alien parents themselves, as well as the courts and immigration policies foolishly created by the Obama administration. The perverse incentives in those policies have endangered the lives and safety of children and helped fund the deadly Mexican drug cartels that run the trafficking networks on our southern border.

You would not know that based on the absurdly biased coverage and virulent protests that have occurred. The Trump administration is simply doing what it is constitutionally charged with doing—enforcing the law."
 
Since you have at least admitted that all the details aren't yet known, that leaves your "question" sounding suspiciously loaded.

OM

Again, I could care less about your personal interpretation until at least a baseline of the facts are established. We are going to start with the bare minimum of the facts, making sure we're in agreement on them, and then go from there.

So let me ask you yet again:

So let's review. This girl traveled thousands of miles through God-only-knows what kinds of conditions, but she survived it all. And after one night, ONE NIGHT of being in DHS custody, she has a seizure and a dangerously high fever, and dies.

Am I correct so far? Not asking if more details need to be included, because obviously they do. I just want to know if my understanding is correct to that point.

Please note that the disclaimer that you think that you require has already been given to you. I have even underlined it for your convenience.

Now. Back to the question. In my quote from earlier, "Am I correct so far?" True or false. Yes or no. I await an answer from you.
 
The very fact that she was dehydrated, had a temperature of 106, septic shock and had seizures indicates that she was not given care water, food from the time of arrest (10 pm)and her decline 8 hours later at 6:25 am points to a violation of Flores. I'd expect we'll hear the truth in the near future. jmo
 
You an expert in desert rescues, or just popping off?

The IA for potential dehydration and/or heat exhaustion is re-hydration and/or shade. This is covered in almost every basic first aid course beyond those that deal only with AED/CPR.
 
So you're afraid to answer my question of my own words? I'm putting my own words out there for examination, and yet you cannot knock them down?

That's because you know I was right all along, isn't it, Holbritter? :)

There is no logical answer to trick (loaded) questions.


OM
 
I don't think detention is what killed her

I don't blame the father for trying to get his daughter a better life but I do blame him for not adequately preparing for the journey and putting her in worse conditions that led to her death. It does say early the next day after she was detained she was taken to a hospital but it was too late. Very sad.

The family turned themselves in to BP @ Antelope Wells, NM - on the Mexico/NM border, 93 miles south of Lordsburg, NM, @ 10:00pm. They were loaded on a bus with 160 other would-be immigrants & transported for 2:15 to Lordsburg, then in-processed. So it was likely 2:00 or 3:00am before they were settled in for the night. & if the parents didn't report any health issues - like lack of food or water - then there was very likely a brief interview & only a cursory look @ health - a full interview & health history presumably delayed until the morning, & the next shift.

When BP did intervene, it was because she was convulsing & running a high fever. @ which point, BP helivaced her to El Paso, TX for treatment. An autopsy is pending, & otherwise, we can't tell if anyone is to blame for this child's death.
 
I already answered. I said you were not.

You did nothing of the sort. AGAIN, I will ask you, and AGAIN I will quote the post that you are choosing to disremember:

So let's review. This girl traveled thousands of miles through God-only-knows what kinds of conditions, but she survived it all. And after one night, ONE NIGHT of being in DHS custody, she has a seizure and a dangerously high fever, and dies.

Am I correct so far? Not asking if more details need to be included, because obviously they do. I just want to know if my understanding is correct to that point.

Please read the underlined phrase as carefully as you can so that you do not miss any words.

Now I am going to ask you yet again to answer the highlighted question in the quote of my post AS IT IS ACTUALLY WORDED.
 
Its not the first time that people have died trying to get to the US. It won't be the last. So no, this won't act as a deterrent. Of course you knew that already.

And yes, the parents SHOULD have thought about this before dragging their 7 year old child through the desert. It's stupid to assert or imply otherwise.

You simply don't understand these people or their desperation. They know it's dangerous and they could die. They know Trump's policies too. But they are in such desperate conditions they will risk their life to escape. It's the same desperation people feel when fleeing North Korea, knowing they could very well get shot trying to cross the boarder.

This child's death didn't happen because of her parents ignorance, irresponsibility, or neglect, but of their desperation.
 
Local new reports say she was given water and food as soon as she was apprehended.

If I can borrow the line of Mr. Trump's most ardent supporters - "You don't know that, you weren't there. It's only the lying MSM that is saying that. and the so-called "sources" of that so-called "report" are likely trying to cover up their own crimes. Of course they are going to say that they aren't guilty but they will be lying just like Saddam Hussein was when he said that Iraq did not have vast stockpiles of WMD.".
 
There is no logical answer to trick (loaded) questions.


OM

And there we have it. You are unable to answer my question, which attempted to establish a baseline of facts. Instead you choose to make those kinds of juvenile comments under the illusion that you actually have something to bring to this discussion, as if your words are of any positive contribution.

Perhaps you are afraid of the facts. Already we see many people who are. Sorry to burst your bubble but you won't be the first in that line.
 
Let me guess the response form the right:
Good, this will act as a deterrent!
The parent should have thought about this before dragging their kid through the desert!

Unfortunately it will not be a deterrent, however the father absolutely should not have dragged his kid through the desert with no food or water while she was running a fever. Too bad she wasn’t ripped from her neglectful parents arms and taken into custody earlier. Father should be charged for manslaughter, THAT might be a deterrent if instead of getting deported he spends 7-10 years in prison and then gets deported
 
It's desert, you always offer water

They were taken into custody after traveling in the dessert for a long time. They were held for hours and DHS didn't provide water. That's negligence.

TMK, standard BP procedure is to provide water to all detainees - or @ least offer water to them. & to look for any obvious injuries, bleeding, cuts, wounds, etc. If BP had seen any signs of distress, they would have evaluated the child @ the scene & evacuated her to hospital directly from the point of detention, as far as I know.

Is there a source saying that BP didn't offer the detainees food &/or water?
 
I'm sure the remoteness of their location had something to do with it. Nobody realized she was ill until she started vomiting a had a seizure and that was about hour 7 while she was in custody.

The best case scenario here is they were negligent, yes.
 
What's also "negligence" is dragging a kid through the hot desert for hours without any adequate supplies. So daddy should be arrested as well.
A narrative predicted in post #1.
 
The very fact that she was dehydrated, had a temperature of 106, septic shock and had seizures indicates that she was not given care water, food from the time of arrest (10 pm)and her decline 8 hours later at 6:25 am points to a violation of Flores. I'd expect we'll hear the truth in the near future. jmo

If you are dehydrated enough then simply drinking water is not going to fix things, and could even complicate matters. If one is severely dehydrated then fluids need to be administered via IV. Did they know she was that far along? Did the father bring it to their attention? We need more info.
 
Let me guess the response form the right:
Good, this will act as a deterrent!
The parent should have thought about this before dragging their kid through the desert!

So the parents don’t get any blame, y’all liberals with everything is Americas fault, why don’t some of y’all go sit in the desert with some water for the next invasion, do something productive besides cry about what you think someone else should do!
Now I sit here and wait for my liberal beat down for having a different opinion.


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If I can borrow the line of Mr. Trump's most ardent supporters - "You don't know that, you weren't there. It's only the lying MSM that is saying that. and the so-called "sources" of that so-called "report" are likely trying to cover up their own crimes. Of course they are going to say that they aren't guilty but they will be lying just like Saddam Hussein was when he said that Iraq did not have vast stockpiles of WMD.".
Not sure what your point is. What's the point of dragging Trump or all that crap into this?
 
The very fact that she was dehydrated, had a temperature of 106, septic shock and had seizures indicates that she was not given care water, food from the time of arrest (10 pm)and her decline 8 hours later at 6:25 am points to a violation of Flores. I'd expect we'll hear the truth in the near future. jmo

It indicates nothing of the sort.
 
The IA for potential dehydration and/or heat exhaustion is re-hydration and/or shade. This is covered in almost every basic first aid course beyond those that deal only with AED/CPR.
Of course, and SOP for apprehending aliens in the desert is to provide water and render first aid as necessary according to a couple of Border Patrol Agents interviewed on local TV. They folks weren't caught in a field next to LA General Hospital they were deep into the desert.
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...-girl-who-died-border-did-not-receive-n948071

" Medical personnel are not staffed in the remote area where they were held, known as Antelope Wells, the officials said.

Before the group left Antelope Wells by bus to be transferred to a border station, Caal's father reported that she was ill and vomiting. By the time she arrived at the border station an hour-and-a-half later, she was not breathing. She was revived twice by emergency workers and then transported by air to a hospital in El Paso, Texas, where she died of cardiac arrest with her father by her side."

The illegals had access to water at Antelope Wells.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.48af00c5bc0e

As more information comes out, it appears the BP followed protocol. A group of illegals crossing into the US unprepared for the hard travel they would face. In the end a tragic event happened.
 
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