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Michael Cohen sentencing: Trump's former lawyer jailed for three years over Stormy Daniels hush mone

poweRob said:
His plea doesn't state what he said behind closed doors to get that lesser charge.

I'm pretty sure you knew this are are just now playing games.
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It doesnt matter what is said behind closed doors. What matters is what might be said in court.
Cohen is a perjurer and Mueller hasnt even established that he is involved in any sort of collusion. He is not going in a trial.
Mueller has nothing on collusion.
 
Athanasius68 said:
And the issue-- as being defined here-- is intent. Which means its reasonable to wonder news of Trump's affairs would have influenced anyone.
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It's not relevant whether or not breaking that story at the 11th hour would have affected the outcome. Hiding campaign finance donations like this is a crime regardless.

Trying to rob a bank is a crime even if my plan is so stupid it could never work.
 
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Deuce said:
It's not relevant whether or not breaking that story at the 11th hour would have affected the outcome. Hiding campaign finance donations like this is a crime regardless.

Trying to rob a bank is a crime even if my plan is so stupit it could never work.
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They were personal expenses. Had he used campaign funds, he would have been nailed on that.
 
Athanasius68 said:
And the issue-- as being defined here-- is intent. Which means its reasonable to wonder news of Trump's affairs would have influenced anyone.
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Like Nixon and Clinton, it's not what happened that got them into trouble, but the coverup.
 
Athanasius68 said:
They were personal expenses. Had he used campaign funds, he would have been nailed on that.
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Using your own money on a campaign agenda still a violation.
 
Athanasius68 said:
It doesnt matter what is said behind closed doors. What matters is what might be said in court.
Cohen is a perjurer and Mueller hasnt even established that he is involved in any sort of collusion. He is not going in a trial.
Mueller has nothing on collusion.
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Awwee.. that's so cute. As if Mueller isn't going to have corroborating witnesses and testimony. Your theory of dismissing cohen as a sole witness is about to get screwed by Pecker.

So sorry.
 
Oh wow Cohen's daughter is HOT. Now I feel kinda bad for the family.
 
poweRob said:
Awwee.. that's so cute. As if Mueller isn't going to have corroborating witnesses and testimony. Your theory of dismissing cohen as a sole witness is about to get screwed by Pecker.

So sorry.
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As well as Flynn, and emails and all the other evidence. Remember when Cohen was saying he wouldn't turn on Trump? That was before he interviewed with Mueller and saw all the evidence. He went 180 in a heartbeat.
 
danarhea said:
As well as Flynn, and emails and all the other evidence. Remember when Cohen was saying he wouldn't turn on Trump? That was before he interviewed with Mueller and saw all the evidence. He went 180 in a heartbeat.
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Cohen flat out admitted he had a penchant for recording conversations. And these folks wanna run on "Oh cohen's a liar so there go's that testimony". :lol:
 
poweRob said:
Cohen flat out admitted he had a penchant for recording conversations. And these folks wanna run on "Oh cohen's a liar so there go's that testimony". :lol:
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The tapes will be fun when played just like Nixon's were.
 
Barnacle said:
Sure; so you think the pee-document, the Billy-Bush tape, the "who wants to see that face in the WH", the comments about the Pakistani (or so) Gold Star family and the "American Hero" McCain, etc. etc. etc. were not enough but the hush-money would have definitely changed the peoples' opinion on Trump?!?

:lamo
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From a legal jeopardy standpoint, yes. From opinion by his fans, that doesn't matter, maybe, maybe not, who knows.

But, a close election is not decided by the hard core, it's decided by the wishy washy undecideds, who aren't decided until the last minute or day that they vote.

so, in general, I would still say yes, especially when the president won the three swing states by mere 80,000 votes. With the plethora of badness about trump, who knows, maybe the hush money would be the "straw that broke the camel's back" to that wishy washy crowd. You don't know, no one knows,but insofar as legal jeopardy, definitely.
 
RAMOSS said:
Not until he is out of office, although impeachment proceedings are feasible, and perhaps even likely
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There is nothing in the constitution about whether or not a sitting president can be indicted, charged, jailed, etc.

Only an old memo adopted as policy, from the Watergate days. Things could change, easily, here.
 
OscarLevant said:
There is nothing in the constitution about whether or not a sitting president can be indicted, charged, jailed, etc.

Only an old memo adopted as policy, from the Watergate days. Things could change, easily, here.
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Especially with the consent of a Republican Senate.
 
OscarLevant said:
There is nothing in the constitution about whether or not a sitting president can be indicted, charged, jailed, etc.

Only an old memo adopted as policy, from the Watergate days. Things could change, easily, here.
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Well, I suspect that things changing will be highly doubtful.
 
danarhea said:
As well as Flynn, and emails and all the other evidence. Remember when Cohen was saying he wouldn't turn on Trump? That was before he interviewed with Mueller and saw all the evidence. He went 180 in a heartbeat.
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Flynn knew about Trump's extra-currucular activities with Ms. Stormy Daniels? I dont think so.
 
poweRob said:
Cohen flat out admitted he had a penchant for recording conversations. And these folks wanna run on "Oh cohen's a liar so there go's that testimony". :lol:
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That isnt the argument. The SDNY (not Mueller) will be going after Trump. We know this as it has been pled -- Cohen said this is what Trump did (and the lack of such pleas by Cohen and others with respect to collusion shows that Mueller has nothing on that).
The feds will have to argue that paying off mistressses is properly a campaign expense. They already lost that argument with Edwards-- a man who was considered a Boy Scout and turned out more tawdry than Trump, and where the feds had more sympathetic witnesses.
 
danarhea said:
The first substantial prison sentence of someone close to Trump, and it certainly won't be the last.

https://news.yahoo.com/michael-cohen-sentencing-trump-apos-170718661.html
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Interesting article for your radicals to read and a look back at history. Seems that the anti Trump zealots continue to hope he is removed from office by impeachment vs.the election process by continued focus on a witch hunt that distorts reality and diverts from what is actually happening in this country. approximately 63 million Americans voted for Trump and rather than try to remove him from office in 2 years the radical left continues to promote their agenda of creating chaos and division

https://amgreatness.com/2018/12/09/defeat-and-the-dossier-explain-everything/
 
Lutherf said:
Apparently that's the bimbo payments. Based on half a dozen articles I've read he got nothing for $4M in tax fraud, nothing for false statements to the bank and 3 years for bimbo payments plus 2 months for lying to congress. I swear, if this isn't the perfect definition of a political prosecution I've never seen one. Solzhenitsyn couldn't have made something like this up.
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I'm assuming they lumped all 8 charges into a single sentence because I doubt there would be many people happy that the majority of the duration came from the multitude of tax fraud charges. Unless there is an official document from the sentencing hearing that breaks it down, its safe to assume the articles paint the 3 years as for what they want it to be, not what it is.
 
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