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Michael Cohen sentencing: Trump's former lawyer jailed for three years over Stormy Daniels hush mone

Athanasius68 said:
The correct test would be if Mueller had limited his investigation to Trump and Putin colluding to throw the election-- you know the great evil that supposedly happened which Mueller cant seem to find anyone to prosecute over.
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Here we go again... You have no clue as to what Mueller has and hasn't found with regards to that. It's not Mueller's fault you expect the end results of the investigation to happen in the middle of the investigation.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Mueller isnt writing a report. Thats not his job.
Its true Mueller 's mandate was broader than Russia. Good thing for him because we all know the reason he was appt. was to investigate collusion. And he kicked this Cohen plea out of hos baliwick. Cohen has nothing with respect to collusion. If he did, he would have pled to that as well
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Perhaps you missed it. But Cohen did admit to participating in a conspiracy in his plea agreement.
 
OscarLevant said:
It's called hush money because revealing the whole thing which Trump tried to cover up might have changed the outcome of the election. so what we have here is a cover-up and a fraud perpetrated on the American public
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As if news that Trump had had affairs would be a shock to the public... 😏
 
PoliSciXtina said:
Except for the one conducted on Hillary Clinton. That witch hunt came up empty.


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And she was caught breaking the law. Too bad there's a two tier justice system in this country.
 
Barnacle said:
Kind of sad if people are determined to see a felony where there isn't one ...
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Wait for it. Unindicted co-conspirator to come, AKA Individual 1 or President Trump, or when charges are proven, a convicted Felon
 
A couple of juicy tidbits from today:

1. AMI, parent company of the National Enquirer, admitted its role in coordinating the payments to Daniels and McDougal in order to keep them under wraps until after the election, which demolishes the “he only did it to hide them from Melania” narrative.

2. Sean Hannity, Cohen’s other client, scrubbed his Twitter of all his Cohen tweets.
 
apdst said:
And she was caught breaking the law. Too bad there's a two tier justice system in this country.
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Was she charged?
 
Atomic Kid said:
The fact that the judge echoed SDNY's allegation made in it's sentencing memo that Cohen made the those payments at the direction or in coordination with "individual 1" is something that is cause for concern for Trump's legal team. That would indicate that the judge is accepting that allegation as being one of the underlying facts in the case and is being taken under consideration.
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After how I saw the judge break down all the charges today, giving 3 years for Cohen's plea bargaining campaign finance violation charge, I agree that is something major to be concerned with.
I would have thought five charges of tax evasion, perjury, and falsifying a loan document would have counted for the three years and the cfv would have received the fine.

This doesn't seem right to me... politically motivated sentencing because of Trump? That would be my guess.
 
Kobie said:
A couple of juicy tidbits from today:

1. AMI, parent company of the National Enquirer, admitted its role in coordinating the payments to Daniels and McDougal in order to keep them under wraps until after the election, which demolishes the “he only did it to hide them from Melania” narrative.

2. Sean Hannity, Cohen’s other client, scrubbed his Twitter of all his Cohen tweets.
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No worries, Mueller has all of them.
 
trixare4kids said:
We'd have to see a break down of everything he was charged with and the sentence for each item before the above is determined.
He was hit with a bevy of fines as well.
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Given he was facing 70 years off of those and got 3, that's what I'm going with.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Perhaps you missed it. But Cohen did admit to participating in a conspiracy in his plea agreement.
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Yep-- stormy daniels. A conspiracy the feds couldnt convict Edwards over-- a guy who cheated on his terminally ill wife, fathered a child with the mistress and tried to get an aide to claim paternity. Trump looks good in comparison and the guy making the claim against him is a convicted felon.

No confession or plea involving throwing the 2016 election-- the ostensible reason why Mueller was appointed.
 
danarhea said:
So sez you. In the sentencing documents, Cohen admits to paying off Daniels at the direction of "individual-1", which happens to be Trump. Saying over and over that it didn't happen will never change the fact that it did.
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Yes, I realize you're trying to conflate that with the crimes that had nothing to do with Trump and that would have earned him 70 years in jail. If anything, the "individual-1" nonsense probably saved him some jail time.
 
haymarket said:
Where and how did Cohen obtain the money which evaded taxes on?

To pretend that Cohen did not perjure himself before Congress as part of a conspiracy to protect Trump is a fantasy far worse than pretending that there are three inch monkeys made of blue flame who play a versions of basketball under the surface of Uranus. ITs simply a huge falsehood.
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Cohen lied to congress, and that is perjury but the reason he lied didn't matter.
Trump, the business man candidate had the right to continue building towers all over the world. No conspiracy.
 
poweRob said:
Here we go again... You have no clue as to what Mueller has and hasn't found with regards to that. It's not Mueller's fault you expect the end results of the investigation to happen in the middle of the investigation.
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We do know what Mueller has. Cohen pled that the donation was directed by Individual 1. That establishes Cohen's role in a conspiracy. If there is ever a trial, that plea will be used against individual 1.

There was no such plea regarding Cohen's role in a conspiracy to throw the 2016 election. Translation: there is nothing to charge because translation: it didnt happen.
 
RAMOSS said:
Unindicted individual number 1
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What does that have to do with counts 1-5, falsifying a heloc application, and perjury?
Unindicted individual number 1 applies only to the campaign finance violation.

Or do I have that wrong? If so, show me what you have.
 
Barnacle said:
Kind of sad if people are determined to see a felony where there isn't one ...
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You mean like all of the “lock her up” Hillary Clinton-hating people? Like those people?


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trixare4kids said:
What does that have to do with counts 1-5, falsifying a heloc application, and perjury?
Unindicted individual number 1 applies only to the campaign finance violation.

Or do I have that wrong? If so, show me what you have.
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Your previous statement said "NOTHING", now you are saying 'it's only xyz'. Moving goal posts much?
 
apdst said:
And she was caught breaking the law. Too bad there's a two tier justice system in this country.
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Show me where she was caught breaking the law. Please post the charges. I’ll wait.


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Manc Skipper said:
As Cohen said "Trump tweeted that I am a weak person, and that's true. I was too weak to refuse to cover up his dirty work!"
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IMO, Cohen is doing exactly what is expected of him now that he's going to jail. Again, imo, that's pretty weak.
Cohen is sorry, but only sorry he got caught.
 
haymarket said:
Why are you confused and befuddled about the legal mandate Mueller was charged with?
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I am not. But let us not pretend he was appointed to find evidence of campaign finance violations. He was appointed to find out how Trump and Russia worked together to fix the 2016 election, and in doing so destroyed democracy, freedom, mom, baseball and apple pie.
 
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