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So The NRA DID Fall For The Russian Cutie!

TU Curmudgeon said:
Just about as lame as those who, for partisan reasons, deliberately blind themselves to other actions of the Russians that are designed to harm the United States of America - eh wot?
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Non sequitur to what I opined above.
I said something like this should never be a partisan issue.
I think most, unless they are brain dead, know the Russians did interfere in our 2016 presidential election.
This wouldn't be the first election that they did this either.
 
jet57 said:
So you can prove that Waldman's information is NOT true then.

I'd like to see the proof. The maybe you can prove that the NRA was not infiltrated by a Russian spy because the right-wing is so weak.
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Believe what you want, I really don't care.
 
trixare4kids said:
Non sequitur to what I opined above.
I said something like this should never be a partisan issue.
I think most, unless they are brain dead, know the Russians did interfere in our 2016 presidential election.
This wouldn't be the first election that they did this either.
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It's no secret that the US has tried to influence other country's elections. In fact, many countries have tried to influence other country's elections throughout history.
That said, as an NRA member, no Russian "influence" (if there even was any) had any effect on who I voted for in any presidential election, nor did it for any other NRA members I know.
I do, however, find it amusing that those on the left think that any of this "interference" would have changed the minds of any NRA member to not vote for Hillary. No NRA member in their
right mind would have voted for Hillary anyway.
 
Slyfox696 said:
:lol:

Ok.

Now, in fairness, that is not a "NRA hater" poster, but it is a special agent of the FBI.

So...yeah, not good.
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I have it on good authority (whom I will call, in order to protect them from being attacked by the Deep State conspiracy, simply "Leader-1") that the FBI is a member of the Deep State conspiracy against The Foremost Defender of American Ideals and Values - Donald John Trump.

Now I can't actually reveal the identity of "Leader-1". You might be able to get a hint if I told you that "Leader-1"'s name starts with "Donal..." and ends with "...ump", but I'm specifically NOT telling you that.
 
Gondwanaland said:
And? Pelosi had a Chinese Spy for a driver. What about it?
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Indeed she did.

Do you know what she did about it when the allegation was first brought to her attention?

Oh, one minor point, it wasn't Ms. Pelosi.

Maybe you should get your unsubstantiated rumours straight.

PS - What you might want to consider is


Five years ago the FBI informed me it had concerns that an administrative member of my California staff was potentially being sought out by the Chinese government to provide information. He was not a mole or a spy, but someone who a foreign intelligence service thought it could recruit.

The FBI reviewed the matter, shared its concerns with me and the employee immediately left my office. He never had access to classified or sensitive information or legislative matters. The FBI never informed me of any compromise of national security information.
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But I doubt that that will have any effect on your "thought" processes.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Indeed she did.

Do you know what she did about it when the allegation was first brought to her attention?

Oh, one minor point, it wasn't Ms. Pelosi.

Maybe you should get your unsubstantiated rumours straight.

PS - What you might want to consider is


Five years ago the FBI informed me it had concerns that an administrative member of my California staff was potentially being sought out by the Chinese government to provide information. He was not a mole or a spy, but someone who a foreign intelligence service thought it could recruit.

The FBI reviewed the matter, shared its concerns with me and the employee immediately left my office. He never had access to classified or sensitive information or legislative matters. The FBI never informed me of any compromise of national security information.
[source]​

But I doubt that that will have any effect on your "thought" processes.
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Hm, you're right, it was Feinstein that had the Chinese spy as a driver. I get the two old crones so easily mixed up.

An yeah, I do understand the way that Feinstein would like to brush it under the rug as if it were not a big deal, and try to downplay it and pretend he was.

But he was, and reported info to chinese government officials.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...feinstein-san-francisco/#.W2NsTYMGo_U.twitter

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/27/silicon-valley-spies-china-russia-219071
 
Arby said:
I do, however, find it amusing that those on the left think that any of this "interference" would have changed the minds of any NRA member to not vote for Hillary. No NRA member in their
right mind would have voted for Hillary anyway.
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For all the wannabe stable geniuses out there in bubble-land.

NRA being compromised by Russia is about:
- NRA/Republicans being cozied up to via money, and in some cases compromised, by a foreign adversary
- The money that comes in, can be....this is where it gets REALLY complicated Arby... used to fund support adds for Republicans, and attack adds against Democrats. Ads that, gasp, independents and undecideds may consume, as it the goal of any such political marketing.

I love the modern conservative...praises Russia's interference in the election and refuses to believe the backbone of a number of U.S. industries...advertisement, has an effect on people's choices. Then characterizes it all because wordsRHardtoUnderstand.
 
haymarket said:
The NRA position of guns is far right. If you do not see it that way because it is your own position - it is of no concern to me.
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Once again, not showing any evidence to back up the claim. Isn't something that's going to be doing you any favors haymarket.

What is the evidence that their stance on "guns" is a far right stance.

Because where I'm standing it's almost entirely center at this point. To the letter of the law and it's not arbitrarily binding.

This is your chance to prove something here. So don't **** it up.
 
Mach said:
For all the wannabe stable geniuses out there in bubble-land.

NRA being compromised by Russia is about:
- NRA/Republicans being cozied up to via money, and in some cases compromised, by a foreign adversary
- The money that comes in, can be....this is where it gets REALLY complicated Arby... used to fund support adds for Republicans, and attack adds against Democrats. Ads that, gasp, independents and undecideds may consume, as it the goal of any such political marketing.

I love the modern conservative...praises Russia's interference in the election and refuses to believe the backbone of a number of U.S. industries...advertisement, has an effect on people's choices. Then characterizes it all because wordsRHardtoUnderstand.
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Ah yes, the babbling liberal. I've encountered your type. It's funny how allegations turn into facts for you liberals. You know, the "guilty until proven innocent" type.
But seriously, how many people do you think political ads sway? Isn't it true Dems also advertise? Which party spends the most money on advertisements?
Who is "praising" any of this "interference" you speak of and how much influence was there? Did any advertisements influence your voting choices?
If it "characterizes it all because wordsRHardtoUnderstand," how then could those words influence anyone if they're hard to understand?
Like I said, it's highly doubtful advertisements influenced any NRA member. If you recall, it was Hillary who said "“You know to just be grossly generalist, you could
put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables…the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it.” I'd say that
statement swayed more voters than any advertisement. Insulting hard working rural Americans (as Obama also did) proved to be costly in the presidential election.
 
Oborosen said:
Once again, not showing any evidence to back up the claim. Isn't something that's going to be doing you any favors haymarket.

What is the evidence that their stance on "guns" is a far right stance.

Because where I'm standing it's almost entirely center at this point. To the letter of the law and it's not arbitrarily binding.

This is your chance to prove something here. So don't **** it up.
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I have provided evidence. It has been ignored.

Again, I refer you to the excellent book by Waldman THE SECOND AMENDMENT: A BIOGRAPHY which carefully and methodically documents the right wing take over of the NRA. Its all there for you.
 
Arby said:
Like I said, it's highly doubtful advertisements influenced any NRA member.
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lol, are you now claiming that the NRA only funds political propaganda directed at it's members? Apparently my explanation was way too complicated for you.
Maybe if you read it twice it will sink in:

- NRA/Republicans being cozied up to via money, and in some cases compromised, by a foreign adversary
- The money that comes in, can be....this is where it gets REALLY complicated Arby... used to fund support adds for Republicans, and attack adds against Democrats. Ads that, gasp, independents and undecideds may consume, as it the goal of any such political marketing.

Nowhere in there does it say that the NRA money only goes to ads targeting their own NRA audience.
Did Hillary hurt your feelings? You seem sad about it, truth hurts?

Yeah, Trump is your guy for sure.
 
Arby said:
Ah yes, the babbling liberal. I've encountered your type. It's funny how allegations turn into facts for you liberals. You know, the "guilty until proven innocent" type.
But seriously, how many people do you think political ads sway? Isn't it true Dems also advertise? Which party spends the most money on advertisements?
Who is "praising" any of this "interference" you speak of and how much influence was there? Did any advertisements influence your voting choices?
If it "characterizes it all because wordsRHardtoUnderstand," how then could those words influence anyone if they're hard to understand?
Like I said, it's highly doubtful advertisements influenced any NRA member. If you recall, it was Hillary who said "“You know to just be grossly generalist, you could
put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables…the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it.” I'd say that
statement swayed more voters than any advertisement. Insulting hard working rural Americans (as Obama also did) proved to be costly in the presidential election.
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Mach said:
lol, are you now claiming that the NRA only funds political propaganda directed at it's members? Apparently my explanation was way too complicated for you.
Maybe if you read it twice it will sink in:

- NRA/Republicans being cozied up to via money, and in some cases compromised, by a foreign adversary
- The money that comes in, can be....this is where it gets REALLY complicated Arby... used to fund support adds for Republicans, and attack adds against Democrats. Ads that, gasp, independents and undecideds may consume, as it the goal of any such political marketing.

Nowhere in there does it say that the NRA money only goes to ads targeting their own NRA audience.
Did Hillary hurt your feelings? You seem sad about it, truth hurts?

Yeah, Trump is your guy for sure.
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I was recapitulating my first reply. And yes, I read your drivel, you need not repeat it.

I sincerely apologize that I didn't realize you were easily overwhelmed by my many questions and can only comprehend a single sentence in a paragraph.

If I chose to ever again reply to your nonsense, I'll try to keep it far less confusing.

Oh, and by the way, Hillary losing surely didn't hurt my feelings. You don't think I voted for her...or did you :roll:
 
haymarket said:
I have provided evidence. It has been ignored.

Again, I refer you to the excellent book by Waldman THE SECOND AMENDMENT: A BIOGRAPHY which carefully and methodically documents the right wing take over of the NRA. Its all there for you.
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So are you just going to keep running away? Because I'm ready to just tally this up to your usual hollow blustering.

The book proves nothing, other then the fact that the NRA are still a right leaning group. Yet you've unsurprisingly failed to supply the evidence that they are a group pushing far-right ideals.

Once again, do you have any evidence to back this up?
 
Oborosen said:
So are you just going to keep running away? Because I'm ready to just tally this up to your usual hollow blustering.

The book proves nothing, other then the fact that the NRA are still a right leaning group. Yet you've unsurprisingly failed to supply the evidence that they are a group pushing far-right ideals.

Once again, do you have any evidence to back this up?
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The book documents the long and tedious process of the right wing taking over the NRA and how the values and goals of the NRA changed from a primarily educational and hunters group to a right wing political advocacy group. And that is the evidence to support my claim.

You pretending otherwise is simply not rational.
 
Gondwanaland said:
Hm, you're right, it was Feinstein that had the Chinese spy as a driver. I get the two old crones so easily mixed up.

An yeah, I do understand the way that Feinstein would like to brush it under the rug as if it were not a big deal, and try to downplay it and pretend he was.

But he was, and reported info to chinese government officials.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...feinstein-san-francisco/#.W2NsTYMGo_U.twitter

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/27/silicon-valley-spies-china-russia-219071
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I quite agree.

It is totally unacceptable that Ms. Feinstein only took action after she had been notified of the problem. She should never have hired the fellow in the first place because he was Chinese and everyone knows that all the Chinese in America are actually spies for the Chinese Communists.

Right?

BTW, could you provide a link to a reputable source that reports the indictment/trial/conviction/execution of the spy that Ms. Feinstein deliberately inserted into the highly sensitive government position as a part of her role in the International Communist Conspiracy?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I quite agree.

It is totally unacceptable that Ms. Feinstein only took action after she had been notified of the problem. She should never have hired the fellow in the first place because he was Chinese and everyone knows that all the Chinese in America are actually spies for the Chinese Communists.

Right?
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If we go by the logic of the OP, most certainly.

BTW, could you provide a link to a reputable source that reports the indictment/trial/conviction/execution of the spy that Ms. Feinstein deliberately inserted into the highly sensitive government position as a part of her role in the International Communist Conspiracy?
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Strawman city.
 
Arby said:
It's no secret that the US has tried to influence other country's elections. In fact, many countries have tried to influence other country's elections throughout history.
That said, as an NRA member, no Russian "influence" (if there even was any) had any effect on who I voted for in any presidential election, nor did it for any other NRA members I know.
I do, however, find it amusing that those on the left think that any of this "interference" would have changed the minds of any NRA member to not vote for Hillary. No NRA member in their
right mind would have voted for Hillary anyway.
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that's a really good point. Given Hillary was the point man for the Clinton gun ban, she was pretty much persona non gratis with us NRA members and others who support groups like GOA or the SAF. While Trump has a mixed record on gun issues, his sons are well known second amendment supporters and most of the judges on Trump's well publicized list (including one I helped teach to shoot and get his CCW) were well known pro rights jurists which gave us pro rights activists a fairly good sense that Trump was clearly the better candidate for 2nd Amendment issues than hard core bannerrhoid Hillary.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Does that mean that you have no link to the charging/trial/conviction/sentencing of that "Chinese Spy" that you referred to?
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No, nor do I have to help you construct your strawperson.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's a really good point. Given Hillary was the point man for the Clinton gun ban, she was pretty much persona non gratis with us NRA members and others who support groups like GOA or the SAF. While Trump has a mixed record on gun issues, his sons are well known second amendment supporters and most of the judges on Trump's well publicized list (including one I helped teach to shoot and get his CCW) were well known pro rights jurists which gave us pro rights activists a fairly good sense that Trump was clearly the better candidate for 2nd Amendment issues than hard core bannerrhoid Hillary.
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“the Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment. And I am going to make that case every chance I get” Hillary Clinton said.

I believe that statement sealed the deal for most gun owners.
 
haymarket said:
The book documents the long and tedious process of the right wing taking over the NRA and how the values and goals of the NRA changed from a primarily educational and hunters group to a right wing political advocacy group. And that is the evidence to support my claim.

You pretending otherwise is simply not rational.
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Then actually quote, or link something that supports your claim.
Because as of now you have done no such thing.
 
haymarket said:
The book documents the long and tedious process of the right wing taking over the NRA and how the values and goals of the NRA changed from a primarily educational and hunters group to a right wing political advocacy group. And that is the evidence to support my claim.

You pretending otherwise is simply not rational.
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Oborosen said:
Then actually quote, or link something that supports your claim.
Because as of now you have done no such thing.
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He can't. All he has is this bogus book written by a staunch NRA hater (like himself). The NRA, although it supports hunting, has never been a "hunter's group." It always has been, and is, all about marksmanship, firearm safety training and we hold numerous firearm courses and competitions for both civilian and law enforcement. This "right wing takeover" is BS, nothing more. He is obsessed with ignorance of the NRA
 
jet57 said:
So that Russian spy was indeed infiltrating the NRA as patsies for political manipulation.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/10/maria-butina-plea/2265118002/



It's all closin in now. Our country has the best damn people in the world to uncover this kind of crap.

Apparently, as it was reported some weeks back, the Republicans were chosen by the Russian government as the weak link.

"NO!, she was trying to help Russian gun freedom".

Yeah, sure she was.
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Red:
While the deucedly plentous mental moribundity among the GOP's membership surely didn't elide the Kremlin's apprehension, notwithstanding, I think, was the Kremlin's choice to favor the GOP in the 2016 election, for the alternatives offered little to no prospect of abetting Russia's/Putin's ends.
 
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