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44 ex-senators warn U.S. is 'entering a dangerous period'

Common Sense 1 said:
Lets see... Who wanted to get rid of the electoral college because they lost?
Who has been in a major hissy fit since President Trump won?

We have been in a severely dangerous period from November 9 in the early morning hours when
Trump was declared the winner and the next president of the united states. The left can not accept
the outcome and truly has lost their mind over President Trumps awesome win.
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We should be able to accept an election, even if it doesn't go our way. Discussing opposing view points is fine, and we all have done it. Folks were unhappy about Obama and came up with all kind of weird accusations hurled against him. True, and partisan nonsense for 8 years.
But opposing ideals and partisan quarrels have turned into a political war, and yes, an attack on our democracy. We/they should take a good look at both sides before pointing fingers.


We are at an inflection point in which the foundational principles of our democracy and our national security interests are at stake, and the rule of law and the ability of our institutions to function freely and independently must be upheld.
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and while we are howling about Russian interference and Trump's pants down at one time or another, our enemies are applauding what amounts to a partisan war. A war not fought for the American people, but for power within one's ranks


During our service in the Senate, at times we were allies and at other times opponents, but never enemies. We all took an oath swearing allegiance to the Constitution. Whatever united or divided us, we did not veer from our unwavering and shared commitment to placing our country, democracy and national interest above all else.
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Well, Ms Pelosi and Ms Cortez et al, it is up to you now, isn't it?
 
Cardinal said:
What is it in particular that you don't like about the letter?
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It threatens to support the rule of law and that's quite frightening in some circles. Some people simply can't accept that. I won't name any names.
 
year2late said:
The signers
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That's quite a list. I remember most of them quite well. Some names I haven't seen in years, like Weicker and Bayh. I would have said the same about Simpson but for his beautiful eulogy for HW Bush.
 
Lovebug said:
and while we are howling about Russian interference and Trump's pants down
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Trump was compromised with the Russians during the 2016 election campaign. And you think worrying about that is "howling"? You really believe that worrying about a POTUS candidate who is stupid enough to become compromised with one of America's oldest and most powerful enemies is "howling"?

And surprise surprise, this compromised candidate, now POTUS, appears to be doing everything he can to destroy America's relationships with her allies...exactly what the Russians would order.

You have very twisted priorities imo.
 
tres borrachos said:
Okay, exactly how is our country in danger from Alan Simpson? Lowell Weicker? This ought to be good.
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They don't bow to King Trump. You don't bow to King Trump and you are a clear and present danger. Just ask King Trump.
 
how do you come together with right wingers that just claim all facts they don't like are fake news while they push forth complete BS? You can't even discuss the issues, because they argue fake, made up issues while everybody else is arguing the real issues. Plus they are selfish assholes with zero empathy.

I don't think there is working together with those people, but the rational conservatives there can be. But even rational conservatives need to tell the nutters to STFU
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It threatens to support the rule of law and that's quite frightening in some circles. Some people simply can't accept that. I won't name any names.
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You don't need to name names. It's the majority of the base.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Lets see... Who wanted to get rid of the electoral college because they lost?
Who has been in a major hissy fit since President Trump won?

We have been in a severely dangerous period from November 9 in the early morning hours when
Trump was declared the winner and the next president of the united states. The left can not accept
the outcome and truly has lost their mind over President Trumps awesome win.
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Someone didn't read the OP.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
how do you come together with right wingers that just claim all facts they don't like are fake news while they push forth complete BS? You can't even discuss the issues, because they argue fake, made up issues while everybody else is arguing the real issues. Plus they are selfish assholes with zero empathy.

I don't think there is working together with those people, but the rational conservatives there can be. But even rational conservatives need to tell the nutters to STFU
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No no no! They aren't "nutters."

They know more about climate change than tens of thousands of scientists who have devoted their lives to the subject because ... they finished grade 8 science. And because their invisible magical friend who always agrees with them, Christ, told them so.
 
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tres borrachos said:
That has like exactly nothing to do with this thread.
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To assert that US border security has nothing to do with homeland security or national interests is nonsense.

A bipartisan group of nearly four dozen former senators warned current and future members of the Senate on Monday that the United States is “entering a dangerous period,” and urged them to defend America’s democracy by serving national interests rather than political ideologies.

“We are on the eve of the conclusion of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation and the House’s commencement of investigations of the president and his administration,” the 44 ex-lawmakers wrote in an op-ed published by The Washington Post. “The likely convergence of these two events will occur at a time when simmering regional conflicts and global power confrontations continue to threaten our security, economy and geopolitical stability.”


The senators continued: “It is a time, like other critical junctures in our history, when our nation must engage at every level with strategic precision and the hand of both the president and the Senate. We are at an inflection point in which the foundational principles of our democracy and our national security interests are at stake, and the rule of law and the ability of our institutions to function freely and independently must be upheld.”

The senators — 32 Democrats, 10 Republicans and two independents — also stressed the importance of casting aside party differences in confronting impending challenges, noting that during their time in Congress, “we were allies and at other times opponents, but never enemies.”
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Why do you suppose they included the "House's commencement of investigations" as being relevant or asserted that the POTUS and the Senate must provide the solutions? The only mention of the House (in the quote above) was not in reference to it being part of the solution.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, did you think they were warning of dangers coming from within the Senate?
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I think that their concerns on worrying about the party verses worrying about the nation.
 
RAMOSS said:
I think that their concerns on worrying about the party verses worrying about the nation.
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That was exactly my point. Opposition to improved US border security is not in the best interest of the country. See post #68.
 
year2late said:
What specifically don't you like in the letter?
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The fact the US “entering a dangerous period” . The US is doing just fine. The economy is healthy (except for the DOW which is going through a series of corrections). Black and Latino UE is at an alltime low. The housing market is strong, the military is improved and Trump has at least tried to make peace with NKorea.

Very little IMO to be pessimistic about.

Same for Canada and Netherlands
 
ttwtt78640 said:
To assert that US border security has nothing to do with homeland security or national interests is nonsense.



Why do you suppose they included the "House's commencement of investigations" as being relevant or asserted that the POTUS and the Senate must provide the solutions? The only mention of the House (in the quote above) was not in reference to it being part of the solution.
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They weren't talking about the border security and Nancy Pelosi. She is also still not a member of the Senate, which they clearly stated they were talking about. The Senate. She will be Speaker of the House.
 
Desert Storm said:
Because I told a bunch of anti-Trump old farts to STFU??!! :lol:

Thats actually very pro-American, unless you're just another Trump hating Liberal
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Post your proof that Alan Simpson is an "anti-Trump old fart". Post your proof that Lowell Weicker is an "anti-Trump old fart". I'll be breathlessly awaiting your evidence.
 
tres borrachos said:
They weren't talking about the border security and Nancy Pelosi. She is also still not a member of the Senate, which they clearly stated they were talking about. The Senate. She will be Speaker of the House.
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The House was referenced as was national security. Talking to and talking about are not the same thing.
 
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