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Mueller's next big reveal

I am not ignoring the "actual results generated"- which was in fact an increase in the federal deficit. There is one, and only one, reason that the federal deficit increases - federal spending went up more than federal revenue did.

I don't want to go back to anything Obama did - I want to go forward with a realistic budget that spends no more than congress critters are willing to demand in taxation. If "entitlements" (Social Security and Medicare) are the budget busters (as Ryan tried to profess) then raise the FICA tax rate - which used to produce a (healthy?) surplus. If federal taxes cannot be raised during (record setting?) economic good times then we are truly screwed.

then good luck with that one because Congress is the only institution that never goes on a diet and always demands more taking it from the people who earn it in the first place

There hasn't been a Federal surplus in decades regardless of what the Clinton cult tells us as those Congressional critters found a way to create permanent jobs and convince far to many of the expanded role of the federal govt.
 
Nailed what? was your vote changed by Russia? Mine wasn't and what makes you think that others were? Is it liberal arrogance on full display? Compromised, collusion are words used by the left without meaning. No voting machines were hacked and after 2 years no charges levied against Trump. Still waiting for exactly what you want to see happen and why?

Can you name for me any pro Russian policies Trump has implemented and how exactly Russia influenced the election? Seems the left continues to ignore their own problems with corruption in the election process and all the lies, distortions, and illegal activities done during the election campaign by people associated with Hillary.

Hillary Clinton lost the election due to her record, her incompetence, and her support of the Obama legacy. We have turned the page and the American people are benefiting from a pro growth, America first economic policy. You people need to get out more and see what is happening on the street or are you being paid well to keep the fires burning to remove Trump?
Meddling is another word used by the left that is misleading. Glancing at my signature, the biggest meddlers in the 2018 election were the MSM and the Mueller investigation both staunchly anti-Trump..
 
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then good luck with that one because Congress is the only institution that never goes on a diet and always demands more taking it from the people who earn it in the first place

There hasn't been a Federal surplus in decades regardless of what the Clinton cult tells us as those Congressional critters found a way to create permanent jobs and convince far to many of the expanded role of the federal govt.

That (bolded above) assertion is pure BS - they are now borrowing (from future generations?) 2/3 of total 'discretionary' federal spending. The reason for that is super simple - that gets them re-elected at rate of over 90%.
 
your post cries "here comes trumps removal!".

you alt left radicals keep on wishing and are gonna be so disappointed.

It's ironic how the left here decides that Trump defending himself is a "Twitter meltdown", and then they go on to make a thread like this and have an actual meltdown of their own!
 
Did the results matter to you when the average job growth under Obama was a little better?

Anyway, the Obama boom was able to persevere two years into a Trump administration before Trump was finally able to grind it to a halt.

That's true. 2017 and 2018 job growth isn't especially grand. In fact, it's lower than 2014 and 2015, and is essentially the same as 2013.

If tax-cuts and regulation slashing was supposed to unleash yuuuge job growth, the numbers do not reflect it.

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecYTD
2011441822543238123472112233209145201 1,889
20123482332647211768156173194153130243 1,908
201320726515617924015811126020121022193 2,208
2014174182261311252306196226284255307251 2,754
20152112677828232619125616488351264234 2,478
201610325723517434285325175264140172180 2,164
20172592007317515523919022114271216175 2,013
2018176324155175268208165286119237155 2,268

Source: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
 
Trump has got to be conflicted over the Mueller investigation. He should fire the witch hunting Mueller but hesitates because he does not really want to hurt the feelings of massive numbers of deluded democrats who are not aware of what is driving the investigation to start with and ignorantly think Mueller is doing something worthwhile.

Soooo you are arguing that the reason trump hasn’t fired mueller is because he is worried about Democrats’ feelings?!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I think this the most delusional thing I have heard, yet! I assure you trump doesn’t give a hoot about democrats feelings, and his Twitter is indication of that. Trump despises half of the American electorate (all democrats, independents and even some republicans who speak out against him... that’s a majority of Americans). Some leader, huh. I can assure you that trump is not THAT stupid to fire mueller, he knows that would land him in obstruction territory (if he isn’t there, already!) and the republicans in Congress would abandon him. But tell us again how much trump cares about democrats feelings. Almost choked on my coffee.


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Meddling is another word used by the left that is misleading. Glancing at my signature, the biggest meddlers in the 2018 election were the MSM and the Mueller investigation both staunchly anti-Trump..
Goal post move, noted: Your side has moved from 'nobody spoke to the Russians' and 'there was no collusion' to 'yeah, meddling and collusion aren't illegal, so it's ok.' Well, conspiring with a foreign power -- especially a hostile foreign power, to win an election is illegal. Couple that with forming foreign policy to aid that foreign power -- and couple that with offering Putin a $50 million apartment if he approved the Trump Tower Moscow project, and you've got lots of crimes here.

Your defense reminds me of this.

 
Goal post move, noted: Your side has moved from 'nobody spoke to the Russians' and 'there was no collusion' to 'yeah, meddling and collusion aren't illegal, so it's ok.' Well, conspiring with a foreign power -- especially a hostile foreign power, to win an election is illegal. Couple that with forming foreign policy to aid that foreign power -- and couple that with offering Putin a $50 million apartment if he approved the Trump Tower Moscow project, and you've got lots of crimes here.

Your defense reminds me of this.



You know, sooner or later you will have to prove someone in the Trump campaign conspired with Russia to win the 2016 election. Realize that just having contact with Russians does not equate to criminality. Try to realize...

I didn't punch the button on the Naked Gun You-Tube. Talk about a bunch of side note information and rhetoric.
 
Trump is trying to help the people who are against him eh? And you really believe this, don't you. No wonder Trump loves you. SMH.

The enemies of God Bless America and conservatism in America hate Trump for being in their way. Mueller is a political activist appointed by un-American zealots determined to do away with conservatism in America. To hell with them and their ungodly agenda.
 
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Trump has got to be conflicted over the Mueller investigation. He should fire the witch hunting Mueller but hesitates because he does not really want to hurt the feelings of massive numbers of deluded democrats who are not aware of what is driving the investigation to start with and ignorantly think Mueller is doing something worthwhile.
The enemies of God Bless America and conservatism in America hate Trump for being in their way. Mueller is a political activist appointed by un-American zealots determined to do away with conservatism in America. To hell with them and their ungodly agenda.

If your standards are: "collusion hasn't yet been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in a courtroom," you can't also be saying Trump "should fire the witch hunting Mueller." You would ask: "What did the President and his family actually DO? Let's really find out via investigations."

Save us the wrap yourself in the flag defense. As Mark Twain said, "Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about."

The fact that you would dismiss and brush over clear crimes by the president in the name of patriotism is sheer irony. Those that hate the ideals that America stand for are the ones who want Trump to get away with far worse corruption and scandal than Watergate.
 
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Goal post move, noted: Your side has moved from 'nobody spoke to the Russians' and 'there was no collusion' to 'yeah, meddling and collusion aren't illegal, so it's ok.' Well, conspiring with a foreign power -- especially a hostile foreign power, to win an election is illegal. Couple that with forming foreign policy to aid that foreign power -- and couple that with offering Putin a $50 million apartment if he approved the Trump Tower Moscow project, and you've got lots of crimes here.

Your defense reminds me of this.



Up next: "But the Russians are our friends, so there's nothing wrong with friends helping friends".

Then of course there are the folks who only care about the economic side of things and don't give a toss about anything else. They could have Pablo Escobar leading the show so long as the economy is doing well.
 
I dunno ... Maybe the Mug's { Mueller } about ready to call it quits.
He's tired of all the takeout lunch's that always consist of Corned beef on rye
and a big kosher pickle from a Jewish Deli.Plus some kind of strange flavored
seltzer water.Again ... Kosher just to be on the safe side.
 
I dunno ... Maybe the Mug's { Mueller } about ready to call it quits.
He's tired of all the takeout lunch's that always consist of Corned beef on rye
and a big kosher pickle from a Jewish Deli.Plus some kind of strange flavored
seltzer water.Again ... Kosher just to be on the safe side.

I wish I knew what the hell you were writing about.
 
Up next: "But the Russians are our friends, so there's nothing wrong with friends helping friends".

Then of course there are the folks who only care about the economic side of things and don't give a toss about anything else. They could have Pablo Escobar leading the show so long as the economy is doing well.


Has any credible Republican Senator { besides Rand Paul on - Meet the Press - just minutes ago }
bothered to remind Americans about Hillary Russian Uranium deal.The Clintons pocketed around
$ 140 Million from that deal.Comey and Mueller and John Podesta were all very aware if not
directly involved in it.Whether making sure to look the other way or Covering-up with this
Steele Dossier Illegal FISA warrant.Where Susan Rice Lied about knowing about it.She had to have known.
I agree that this entire Mueller bidness was a way to keep the pressure on Trump and make it
near impossible for him to Govern.There was NO Crime to Investigate.And still isn't.
This is an entire Intentional smoking gun to keep the real crimes & Misdemeanors hidden.
Trump needs to get tough and flex his Executive Authority already.Trump said in Indiana
in August that the Mueller Investigation " is a disgrace ". Also ... " I will get involved and get in there
if I have to.Disgraceful. "
 
I wish I knew what the hell you were writing about.

Most Americans { the Good ones } are saying just that about this Mueller bidness.
There is No Crime and there was No Collusion.They are trying like Charles Dickens to
manufacture a charge to stick on Trump like pin the tail on a Donkey.
But the Democrats are the Party of the Donkey.
 
If your standards are: "collusion hasn't yet been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in a courtroom," you can't also be saying Trump "should fire the witch hunting Mueller." You would ask: "What did the President and his family actually DO? Let's really find out via investigations."

The fact that you would dismiss and brush over clear crimes by the president in the name of patriotism is sheer irony. Those that hate the ideals that America stand for are the ones who want Trump to get away with far worse corruption and scandal than Watergate.
Please show us one stinking reason why there is an investigation going on for 2 years at all. And not just any reason will do, because it better apply to just Trump. It can't be a generic reason that any President could be investigated for. I don't see a SC investigating the activities of the prior administration.
 
Please show us one stinking reason why there is an investigation going on for 2 years at all. And not just any reason will do, because it better apply to just Trump. It can't be a generic reason that any President could be investigated for. I don't see a SC investigating the activities of the prior administration.

The reason an SC wasn’t appointed to investigate the prior administration is because it wasn’t packed with corrupt scumbags.

Also, the investigation probably would have wrapped up in 2017 if everybody didn’t keep lying and I’d trump agreed to be interviewed right away.
 
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OOOPS??? African American unemployment in November was 5.9%, it was 7.8% when Obama left office? Please stop buying what you are being told by the media and research the data from BLS.gov.

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

Please explain to me why employment went from 146 million down to 138 million by the end of 2009 and 139 million by the end of 2010 when Obama inherited a Democratic Congress, had his shovel ready jobs stimulus passed almost day one and signed in February 2009?

It is your belief that a job lost that returns is a NEW job created? Why do you buy what the left like the NY Times tells you? Learned a long time ago to trust but verify and you are trusting the information given but never verifying accuracy.

As I have pointed out, going from 146 million to 152 million from January 2008 to January 2017 with population growth isn't the strong job creation you want to tout nor is the context where that number INCLUDES part time for economic reason employees(employees that wanted full time jobs but couldn't find them) Amazing how Obama is getting credit for results generated after he left office when he had 8 years of control to generate results and failed.


Mopre Red-Herrings and Straw-men. More jobs for blacks were created under Obama than Trump, that's all I'm saying. That data is directly from the "Bureau of Labor Statistics". NYT is not making stuff up, and neither am I.

The facts speak for themselves,

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That's true. 2017 and 2018 job growth isn't especially grand. In fact, it's lower than 2014 and 2015, and is essentially the same as 2013.

If tax-cuts and regulation slashing was supposed to unleash yuuuge job growth, the numbers do not reflect it.

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecYTD
2011441822543238123472112233209145201 1,889
20123482332647211768156173194153130243 1,908
201320726515617924015811126020121022193 2,208
2014174182261311252306196226284255307251 2,754
20152112677828232619125616488351264234 2,478
201610325723517434285325175264140172180 2,164
20172592007317515523919022114271216175 2,013
2018176324155175268208165286119237155 2,268

Source: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

Yeah, I'm not sure what he's talking about.

Generally, the role presidents play in the economy is grossly exaggerated . But we go with it because it is simple. Btw, the American Economy has traditionally done better under Democrat presidents than they have under Republican presidents.

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That's actually very interesting.
 
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Has any credible Republican Senator { besides Rand Paul on - Meet the Press - just minutes ago }
bothered to remind Americans about Hillary Russian Uranium deal.The Clintons pocketed around
$ 140 Million from that deal.Comey and Mueller and John Podesta were all very aware if not
directly involved in it.Whether making sure to look the other way or Covering-up with this
Steele Dossier Illegal FISA warrant.Where Susan Rice Lied about knowing about it.She had to have known.
I agree that this entire Mueller bidness was a way to keep the pressure on Trump and make it
near impossible for him to Govern.There was NO Crime to Investigate.And still isn't.
This is an entire Intentional smoking gun to keep the real crimes & Misdemeanors hidden.
Trump needs to get tough and flex his Executive Authority already.Trump said in Indiana
in August that the Mueller Investigation " is a disgrace ". Also ... " I will get involved and get in there
if I have to.Disgraceful. "
Thanks for the attempt to change the focus on Hillary Clinton. There are a number of facts absent from your post above.

A) Hillary Clinton is not president. Even if Clinton did something, which hasn't been proven, it does not diminish the crimes Trump is being investigated for.
B) You rant seems to be a collection of right-wing talk radio topics and outright distortions (which are typically the same thing.)
C) Crooked Hillary Redux: Making Sense Of The Uranium One Distraction
To understand the current Trumpist obsession with Hillary Clinton and the Uranium One story, you first need to know what it is not. Uranium One is not a scandal or even a discrete set of facts that can be weighed and assessed. Rather, it is a talisman wielded by President Trump’s most ardent defenders in the hope of warding off the burgeoning Russia scandal.
...
The truth is that the Uranium One story isn’t about the truth. The Trump White House and its allies are essentially gaming the media’s old-fashioned dedication to balance — regardless of the facts — by flinging unsupportable charges that will be reported alongside the Russia news in the name of being fair and objective. Trump’s allies, who despise Clinton, will grab onto those stories and denounce everything else as “fake news.”
D) Your view on the Steele dossier is outlandish. Apart from "a coverup" it is a document that shows Trump campaign involvement with the Russias.
E) Do you know that a space is required after a period (".")?
 
Yeah, I'm not sure what he's talking about.

Perception is reality. When trump won the election Republicans' view of the economy skyrocketed overnight (that's actually not an exaggeration -- they became positive literally overnight).

I know trump supporters like that in real life. If somebody sells even one painting in a year, in their minds they're selling every painting they make.
 
Please show us one stinking reason why there is an investigation going on for 2 years at all. And not just any reason will do, because it better apply to just Trump. It can't be a generic reason that any President could be investigated for. I don't see a SC investigating the activities of the prior administration.
One? I'll give you many.

It is astounding that you still cling to the 'there is no evidence' narrative amidst the already existing and growing amounts of extremely strong evidence to the contrary. Trump's own lawyer contradicted Trump's claim that he had no knowledge of the Trump Tower meeting with a Russian operative. In fact, Trump himself -- who originally said "nobody met with Russians" -- which then turned into "yes, they met with Russians but only about adoption -- and I wrote the letter myself" which then turned into "they met with Russians about *opposition research* which everybody does" and then, "collusion isn't a crime." No, that is admitting that his son conspired with a foreign government to illegally affect an election and he knew about it -- which means he lied about it previously too.

Then there are these suspicious events: What American President has sought to establish back channels to the Russians that only use the Russians' own secure communications, and cannot be heard by American intelligence? What American president has a secret two-hour meeting with the dictator of Russia and won't disclose what was discussed? What presidential candidate offers Putin a $50 million apartment if he approves a building project in moscow?

What American President asserts that he has the absolute right to pardon himself while also asserting that the did nothing wrong?

If your standards are: "collusion hasn't yet been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in a courtroom," you can't also be saying "Mueller needs to hurry up and shut down his investigation." If you actually care about the country, you wouldn't say "the president can't be charged with obstruction of justice by definition," you would ask: "What did the President and his family actually DO?"

If your standards are: "We care about our country and its independence from *any* foreign power," you ought to be profoundly concerned and want the most comprehensive investigation possible.

When I watch Rudy Giuliani or Sean Hannity, I see people who are strategizing to help Trump evade law enforcement, no less than Al Capone's lawyers did. Not people who give a damn about their country anymore.

Then, we have additional evidence that the Trump campaign took Russian money for the inaugural committee -- and hid that fact, which is a crime of its own.

I don't see a SC investigating the activities of the prior administration.
I guess you were asleep during Bill Clinton's presidency.

If you are suggesting that a special prosecutor should investigate Hillary Clinton or Obama, they don't need special prosecutors, since they aren't part of the government. The current Justice Department could do that. Since they haven't, it's because there isn't anything to prosecute.
 
Mopre Red-Herrings and Straw-men. More jobs for blacks were created under Obama than Trump, that's all I'm saying. That data is directly from the "Bureau of Labor Statistics". NYT is not making stuff up, and neither am I.

The facts speak for themselves,

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Yeah, I'm not sure what he's talking about.



That's actually very interesting.

No, sorry the facts don't speak for themselves as all jobs aren't the same. The employment numbers include part time for economic reasons which set records under Obama. Total jobs don't tell the entire story, context does. Also why is it 2017 is the Trump record and I find it amazing that Obama had 8 years to attack African American unemployment as our first African American President and the best he could do was 7.4% in his last year. That is stunning failure. Trump is at 5.9% now and called a racists.
 
Thanks for the attempt to change the focus on Hillary Clinton. There are a number of facts absent from your post above.

A) Hillary Clinton is not president. Even if Clinton did something, which hasn't been proven, it does not diminish the crimes Trump is being investigated for.
B) You rant seems to be a collection of right-wing talk radio topics and outright distortions (which are typically the same thing.)
C) Crooked Hillary Redux: Making Sense Of The Uranium One Distraction

D) Your view on the Steele dossier is outlandish. Apart from "a coverup" it is a document that shows Trump campaign involvement with the Russias.
E) Do you know that a space is required after a period (".")?

So then we should thank Russia for giving us Trump and the economic results we have today, the results you want to ignore?
 
Meddling is another word used by the left that is misleading. Glancing at my signature, the biggest meddlers in the 2018 election were the MSM and the Mueller investigation both staunchly anti-Trump..

You have to realize the left is full of arrogant, power hungry individuals who never can admit being wrong on any subject or being rejected at the polls so they will distort, lie, cheat, steal, manufacture votes to keep people dependent and them in power. When you look up arrogance in the dictionary you see pictures of radicals many of whom are in this forum
 
No, sorry the facts don't speak for themselves as all jobs aren't the same. The employment numbers include part time for economic reasons which set records under Obama. Total jobs don't tell the entire story, context does. Also why is it 2017 is the Trump record and I find it amazing that Obama had 8 years to attack African American unemployment as our first African American President and the best he could do was 7.4% in his last year. That is stunning failure. Trump is at 5.9% now and called a racists.

That's a common response I've gotten from Republicans to the fact that job growth under Obama was actually a bit better: that the jobs under Obama were lower quality. Can you support the notion that job growth under Trump contained better jobs?
 
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