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Chris Wallace to Trump: You’re seen around the world as a 'beacon for repression'

HumblePi said:
'I LOVE IT' when a Trump supporter refers to my comment as a 'tangent'!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-calls-media-enemy-of-the-american-people/

This was quoted in, of all places, The Times of Israel last February 2017. Trump has repeated the claim multiple times when he didn't like the way the news reported his own words and actions. As you can see, this claim by Trump that the press is 'the enemy of the people', wasn't only carried in American press, it went all over the world, and the world is paying attention. So, YES, Trump has called the press 'the enemy of the people'.

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Donald Trump ratcheted up his attacks on the media Friday, describing the press as “the enemy of the American people!” in a tweet.

Shortly after landing at his holiday home in Mar-a-Lago, Florida — where he is spending a third consecutive weekend — the president lashed out in 140 characters.

“The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!” Trump wrote.

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Trump had tweeted an earlier post which targeted the New York Times, CNN, NBC “and many more” media — and ended with the exclamation “SICK!”

The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 17, 2017

But he swiftly deleted that missive before reposting the definitive version — adding two more “enemies” to his blacklist.

Many US presidents have criticized the press, but Trump’s language has more closely echoed criticism leveled by authoritarian leaders around the world.

Trump, who regularly accuses the media of overstating his setbacks, also has accused journalists of failing to show sufficient respect for his accomplishments — including in their coverage of a rambling press conference on Thursday in which he voiced a litany of grievances against their industry.

Many reporters were taken aback by the ranting press conference described by some as bizarre, but Trump echoed the words of praise he got from one right-wing commentator and insisted that Thursday’s outing had been a bravura performance.

“‘One of the most effective press conferences I’ve ever seen!’ says Rush Limbaugh. Many agree. Yet FAKE MEDIA calls it differently! Dishonest,” Trump wrote on Twitter about an hour after the earlier tweet.

The 70-year-old built his campaign on criticizing the press as biased.

On Thursday, he launched a long diatribe at a grievance-filled news conference, in which he blamed the media for his one-month-old administration’s problems.

In four tumultuous weeks, Trump has seen his national security advisor ousted, a cabinet nominee withdraw, a centerpiece immigration policy fail in the courts and a tidal wave of damaging leaks.
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You brought up forestry management, that seems like a tangent to me. I'm still waiting for all the repression you say is going on in this country. No news outlets have been shut down or taken over, and no journalists are in jail, no court orders have been ignored. Criticizing Trump is certainly legitimate, but there is enough there without using any more hyperbole than is necessary.

I"m sorry I offended you by asking you questions, I'm trying to understand your perspective, not the mouth in Chief. Clearly that distinction is indiscernible by you.
 
Acadia said:
You did and it's not incumbent upon me to refute any argument based on manipulation of my position. That's the whole goal of the fallacious arguement. I would hope that ideology isn't injected into the equation of reporting facts.

I think you are conflating opinion writing with news reporting. Acosta is supposed to be doing the latter. Somehow, most of the other journalists in the room manage to do it.
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To my knowledge, I haven't misrepresented anything you've said. It's quite possible that you haven't made yourself as clear as thought you did. But if you refuse to clarify, it's impossible for me to know.

Your issues with Acosta, once again, don't seem to warrant revoking a press pass.
 
JustHanging said:
That's the way it works. Those that report negative news about Trump are branded "Fake News". It's an old Nazi propaganda technique.

A brief history of 'Lügenpresse,' the Nazi-era predecessor to Trump's 'Fake News'
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A strong argument can't be made unless it is Godwined? Sad. Thousands of newspapers were taken over by the Nazi's who took total control over the press. How many were taken over by Trump? How many has he threatened to take over?

I remember a strong line between reporting and commentary. I miss journalism.
 
HumblePi said:
Nazism wasn't truly socialism. The assumption is made only because the word 'socialist' appeared in the party’s name (National Socialist Workers Party of Germany). However, the assumption that because the word 'socialist' popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. Quite the contrary is true. The Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power. Nazism was not a form of --or an outgrowth of socialism. Despite Hitler having declared at various times, “I am a socialist,” “We are socialists,” and similar claims, the fact is that on a personal level Hitler displayed little regard for the actual dogma or doctrine of socialism, or, for that matter, socialists themselves.

The Soviet Union (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) joined the allies against the Axis powers of Japan and Germany. Nazism under Hitler and Socialism under Stalin were both totalitarian and although there are similarities between fascist and communist regimes they're basically alike, but the way that totalitarian governments arise come about when a militant ideological movement seizes power. Adolph Hitler was not a socialist or a communist as Stalin was. Hitler hated both and worked to destroy these ideologies.
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How many of the 25-points of the Natiomal Socialist platform do you disagree with?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
 
JANFU said:
Why would you bring Cuba, China, Iran into this? World wide deflection.
Nice sig.
Up for a 2020 bet - President- Dem or Republican?
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Not particularly, way too early, I'm not dodging anything. You're masterbating over Wallace's inane comment yet when asked "what repression" you flee. Telling
 
Renae said:
Not particularly, way too early, I'm not dodging anything. You're masterbating over Wallace's inane comment yet when asked "what repression" you flee. Telling
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Yes to early, just keep it in mind.
Trump and the media, Enemy of the people, raises the hate and distrust levels. He has raised the hate and distrust levels from his attacks on the media to minorities.
 
JANFU said:
Yes to early, just keep it in mind.
Trump and the media, Enemy of the people, raises the hate and distrust levels. He has raised the hate and distrust levels from his attacks on the media to minorities.
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A: He hasn't attacked Minorites
B: He's combative with the Media, but he's not "Repressing" them

Holy hells this is some weak****.
 
mycroft said:
no other president has been attacked...mostly falsly...by the press.

If the media doesn't like being called out by trump, they are welcome to become professional journalists again.
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Ahem. "HE WAS BORN IN KENYA!!!!!!"
 
AliHajiSheik said:
You brought up forestry management, that seems like a tangent to me. I'm still waiting for all the repression you say is going on in this country. No news outlets have been shut down or taken over, and no journalists are in jail, no court orders have been ignored. Criticizing Trump is certainly legitimate, but there is enough there without using any more hyperbole than is necessary.

I"m sorry I offended you by asking you questions, I'm trying to understand your perspective, not the mouth in Chief. Clearly that distinction is indiscernible by you.
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Please.... copy and paste right here, where I've said anything like "all the repression going on in this country".

Do that, I'll wait.
 
Mach said:
un ****ing believable isn't it. He just throws that **** in there like he's not got a care in the world.
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It's just that I remember the descriptions of his living quarters shared by the team that took him out. They were surprised that they were as meager as they were. Even his wives (four of them if I remember correctly) were no great shakes either, and you might be tempted to think that an icon like him, with all that family money and all the additional cash and adulation he received, would be at least living as comfortably as a moderately successful Bedouin muckety muck, with four striking muslimah jewels.

The appearance of his domicile wasn't even impressive by L.A. ghetto crack dealer standards.
And now I'm reading that he might have even been verging on poverty, having been cut off from his flow of family wealth.

Though Bin Laden was rumoured to have huge personal wealth, Pakistani officials havetold the Associated Press news agency the 54-year-old was "cash-strapped". An amount of money – believed to be €500 (£440) – was found sewn into his clothes, it has been reported.
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HumblePi said:
Please.... copy and paste right here, where I've said anything like "all the repression going on in this country".

Do that, I'll wait.
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It was conversations, but for the sake of civility, I will explicitly take that statement back. The rest of my statement stands.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
It was conversations, but for the sake of civility, I will explicitly take that statement back. The rest of my statement stands.
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"It was conversations" doesn't explain why you essentially accused me of something I never said. This is a good illustration of where 'fake news' comes from. People on the right make statements or spin conspiracy theories that have absolutely no basis in fact and people just grasp it and believe it, because they want to. I'll say it once again 'words matter' and this is precisely why Trump feels the press 'picks' on him when in reality they're calling him out on his lies and misstatements.
 
HumblePi said:
"It was conversations" doesn't explain why you essentially accused me of something I never said. This is a good illustration of where 'fake news' comes from. People on the right make statements or spin conspiracy theories that have absolutely no basis in fact and people just grasp it and believe it, because they want to. I'll say it once again 'words matter' and this is precisely why Trump feels the press 'picks' on him when in reality they're calling him out on his lies and misstatements.
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If you insist on being insulted, I'm done trying to convince you otherwise. I took back the statement and now you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist.
 
Mycroft said:
yawn...

Go check media coverage the day he came down the escalator. It has only gotten worse since then.
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Is that the time he yelled out to a 10 year old girl and told her he would be dating her in 10 years time? Real classy. Trying to chat up a 10 year old on an escalator.
 
Renae said:
Who has he repressed? I mean, this is a stupid comment. 100% stupid. You want repression, go to China, go to Iran, go to Cuba...
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Or Russia, North Korea or Saudi Arabia. Oh wait - those 3 countries are now America's allies. In fact Kim Jong Un and Putin are trump's best friends. It's true. trump said Kim Jong Un LOVED him at one of his rallies. And his fans CHEERED for Kim Jong Un.
 
JoanDavis said:
We lefties living overseas are not the only ones who are refusing to visit because of trump. Tourism to the USA has dramatically decreased since the orange nazi sympathiser was elected by the Russians.
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Make whatever decisions you feel you must.

"nazi sympathiser" ?
"elected by the Russians"

Sorry, but there doesn't appear to be any legitimate evidence for either of those baseless accusations. Is this just the latest leftist tactic of 'presumed guilt'?

But you keep believing and parroting whatever it is that the 'destroy Trump at all costs media' keep dictating to you.
 
eohrnberger said:
I would point out that Wallace, a journalist for whom I have respect, managed to challenge Trump during the interview without being rude, obnoxious, or even interrupting very much.

So, yes, it can be done, to challenge the president in a respectful manner. Those reporters who can't manage the same, need to step up their game and their professionalism.
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trump will be treated with respect when he starts to treat others respectfully. Many of us still remember how he mocked a disabled reporter. What a class act the orange POS is.
 
eohrnberger said:
Make whatever decisions you feel you must.

"nazi sympathiser" ?
"elected by the Russians"

Sorry, but there doesn't appear to be any legitimate evidence for either of those baseless accusations. Is this just the latest leftist tactic of 'presumed guilt'?

But you keep believing and parroting whatever it is that the 'destroy Trump at all costs media' keep dictating to you.
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Excuse me - trump is a nazi sympathiser. He not only called neo-nazis 'very fine people' but he proudly announced he was a NATIONALIST at his rallies. The other world leader who used to boast about being a nationalist was some guy called Hitler. You know the leader of the nazis.

And as for the Russians - even Paul Ryan admitted the russians interfered with the US election.. But insists that it didn't have a significant effect on the results. Mueller will confirm that they did. Just wait for his findings when he concludes his investigation.
 
Acadia said:
I just love how the Trump haters conveniently forget how not transparent Obama was and how he weaponized his DOJ to attack journalists and their sources. Not to mention saying just as bad things about FOX and freezing them out. Obama's WH loathed FOX.
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"Whataboutism" at its finest.
 
JoanDavis said:
trump will be treated with respect when he starts to treat others respectfully. Many of us still remember how he mocked a disabled reporter. What a class act the orange POS is.
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JoanDavis said:
Excuse me - trump is a nazi sympathiser. He not only called neo-nazis 'very fine people' but he proudly announced he was a NATIONALIST at his rallies. The other world leader who used to boast about being a nationalist was some guy called Hitler. You know the leader of the nazis.

And as for the Russians - even Paul Ryan admitted the russians interfered with the US election.. But insists that it didn't have a significant effect on the results. Mueller will confirm that they did. Just wait for his findings when he concludes his investigation.
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All of this has been debunked, but you won't believe it even if substantiated, so what's the point in wasting effort?

Here's a hint for you:
Context includes at least the sentence before and the sentence after the cherry picked sentence fragment the media wants to generate fauxrage with.
 
eohrnberger said:
All of this has been debunked, but you won't believe it even if substantiated, so what's the point in wasting effort?

Here's a hint for you:
Context includes at least the sentence before and the sentence after the cherry picked sentence fragment the media wants to generate fauxrage with.
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You are believing a pathetic Trump excuse here. Try looking at the facts, instead of just believing what Trump tells you.


When Trump said some of the people who were at the rally were "very fine people"...

1. It was a rally organized by White Supremacists.

2. One of the stated goals of the rally was to unite White Supremacists from across the country.

3. They saw this, and decided to stay.


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Just to be clear, anyone who is at a White Supremacist rally, a rally whose stated goal is to bring unity to White Supremacists, where Nazi and KKK regalia is abundant, is not a "very fine person". I'm not sure why you are having so much trouble understanding this.


And, just in case there was any question as to where Trump stands on racism, his entire strategy this last election cycle was to use fear, hatred, and racism to energize his base. In other words, Trump based his strategy on his apparent belief that his base (Hint: That's you eohrnberger) is largely composed of cowardly racists.

Trump’s Midterm Closing Argument: Pure Racial Fear

So please don't now try to pretend that Trump doesn't court the racist/White Supremacist vote. That is ridiculous.
 
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JustHanging said:
When Trump said some of the people who were at the rally were "very fine people"...

1. It was a rally organized by White Supremacists.

2. One of the stated goals of the rally was to unite White Supremacists from across the country.

3. They saw this, and decided to stay.


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Yeah, some fringe bozos dead-enders walking around with flags. :shrug:
I don't agree with them. I don't like them.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
Full text: Trump’s comments on white supremacists, ‘alt-left’ in Charlottesville
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"some very bad people in that group" sounds like a condemnation, doesn't it?
Even before saying that there were other, good, people on both sides (so talking about people other than the Neo-Nazis, right?

I stand by my earlier post that context is at least the sentence before and the sentence after.

Just to be clear, anyone who is at a White Supremacist rally, a rally designed to bring unity to White Supremacists, where Nazi and KKK regalia is abundant, is not a "very fine person". I'm not sure why you are having so much trouble understanding this.
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Why do you have such trouble in reading the sentence before, which clearly states there were 'very bad people' in the unannounced (apparently) Neo-Nazi group?
And then this all gets twisted by the biased media into 'Trump is a Nazi supporter' and / or sympathizer, when it isn't true.

Hey, was the condemnation of the Neo-Nazi group string enough? No, I don't think so. I could have and should have been stronger.
But it certainly wasn't any sort of endorsement that some claim that it is.

And, just in case there was any question as to where Trump stands on racism, his entire strategy this last election cycle was to use fear, hatred, and racism to energize his base. In other words, Trump based his strategy on his belief that his base (Hint: That's you eohrnberger) is largely composed of cowardly racists.

Trump’s Midterm Closing Argument: Pure Racial Fear
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Vanity fair? :lamo Seriously?

So please don't now try to pretend that Trump doesn't court the racist vote. That is ridiculous.
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Please show more more than than innuendo and out of context sentence fragments.
 
JustHanging said:
That's what happens when you publicly support the KKK and Neo Nazis, like Trump. And then run a campaign based on energizing cowardly racists.

What did you expect the headlines to be: "Yahoo! Another great day for racists in America, thank you President Trump!" ?
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When has Trump publicly supported the KKK and Neo-Nazis?
 
JustHanging said:
That's what happens when you publicly support the KKK and Neo Nazis, like Trump. And then run a campaign based on energizing cowardly racists.

What did you expect the headlines to be: "Yahoo! Another great day for racists in America, thank you President Trump!" ?
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You're mistaken bro. Trump publicly supports the freedom of speech of the KKK and Neo-Nazis...and communists, and Maxine Waters and everyone!
 
Myview said:
The press today just reports and asks hardball questions like they have always done. The only thing that has changed is the president. Chris Wallace said and I quote "Obama whined about Fox News all the time but I got to say, he never said we were the enemy of the people". Reporters are supposed to ask hardball questions and report on what a president and his administration does. That is their job. Reporters can't control the exhausting amount of daily chaos this president and his administration supplies to report on but they must report on it. Conservative memories are conveniently short. Reporters and their relation ships with presidents
have always been a mixed bag. Previous presidents were not accused by retired military generals of being a serious threat to national security. General McRaven mentioning that his attacks on a free press were the most serious threat to democracy he had seen in his lifetime or General McCrystal just saying the military must have confidence in its leaders values.
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BTW, Wallace doesn't differentiate between all of MSM and those who are biased and slant their coverage against Trump. Why can't Wallace see the difference? Why can't he acknowledge lots of MSM are slanted against Trump? What benefit does Wallace see with a biased MSM?

Side note: How did Wallace react to the breeches of free press from the Obama White House?[/QUOTE]This.
 
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