[W:363]Trump threatens to pull federal funding for California wildfires over 'gross mismanagement'

Fletch said:

In other words, your contribution here is nothing more than "I hate Trump" posts. Fair enough. Its not like there arent 50 of you guys on here already though.

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TrumpTrain said:

I live in California and I agree with Trump. The permanent Communist government here has thrown away all our money on every stupid thing imaginable, and its not fair to ask other responsible states for their money when something happens here.

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EMNofSeattle said:

I’ll quote whoever I want, you just have a habit of typing “orange man bad” without even considering that the issue actually is


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Helix said:

you support Trump attempting to pull federal funds from a disaster area over his personal vendetta with the state. enjoy dancing around to try to justify it to yourself. you won't justify it to me.

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Fletch said:

Quote me where I said that or withdraw your lie. I simply asked a question. My mistake here is asking question of people who can only cobble together "I hate Trump" as a response.

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Mycroft said:

It's about time we have a President who, while providing aid, lets people know that the federal government isn't a piggy bank. Receiving the aid requires taking responsibility to reduce the need for the aid.

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Helix said:

so you completely oppose his threat to withhold funds to a disaster area, yes? if so, i withdraw my previous statement.

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TrumpTrain said:

I live in California and I agree with Trump. The permanent Communist government here has thrown away all our money on every stupid thing imaginable, and its not fair to ask other responsible states for their money when something happens here.

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Fletch said:

I would need to know more facts before deciding on that. For example, if a city floods every single year and requires tens of millions in disaster relief and the reason is state and local mismanagement, then it seems reasonable to demand that local authorities fix the problem rather than expect the taxpayers to foot the bill every year. Is that the case in California? I have no idea. But if it is, I dont think it is out of the question for the Feds to insist upon changes before authorizing more funds.

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Helix said:

i don't need to know more facts.

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NeverTrumpGOP said:

So what forests are there to manage in Malibu?? :lamo

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LowDown said:

Trump is right. Environmentalists have been objecting to ordinary measures to keep the risk of fire down and so the conditions that increased the risk of this kind of fire have steadily increased. So when a disaster like this happens they blame it on global warming. Ridiculous!

Historically, there is nothing unusual about this fire. There is nothing the US government could have done that would affect the climate enough to mitigate this fire risk. Whether Trump believes in global warming or not is immaterial.

Californians have been at war with reality, and now reality is asserting itself. Whether or not they can act rationally in responding to this remains to be seen.

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Mycroft said:

I live in Colorado. We have fires.

We also work to reduce the incident of fires.

https://colorado.gov/pacific/dfpc

Evidently, CA doesn't do that stuff so well.

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California Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown is working with state lawmakers on a proposal that would increase thinning of forests and decrease the likelihood of more devastating wildfires tearing through the state.

Brown’s proposal would let landowners clear out trees up to 36 inches in diameter — up from 26 inches currently — in an area as large as 300 acres without a permit. It would also allow landowners to construct a road no longer than 600 feet without a permit, provided the damaged area later be restored and replanted, The Mercury News reports.

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Mycroft said:

Looks to me like a lot of forest around there.

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Helix said:

i don't need to know more facts. a town was burned down completely. Trump's personal vendetta does not change that fact.

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HumblePi said:

You're wrong. Denying science doesn't work anymore, facts matter and the fact is that this is in no way normal for California as far as fires go. The 'fire season' used to be 3 months long, do you remember those times? Well now the 'fire season' is 12 months of the year. That's quite a difference than historical incidences of massive fires, wouldn't you agree? The reality is that if we don't take steps to protect our environment, our clean water and clean air that in 20 years it's going to be a done-deal and nobody will be able to reverse it for the remainder of the existence of this planet.

The State of California is far more crucial to our economy than anyone realizes. Check the graph below to see how your state compares to the economic contribution to the US economy of California. When a once in 500 year storm happens 26 times in a decade, we have to address the cause, which are the effects of man on the ecology of the planet.

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HumblePi said:

You're wrong. Denying science doesn't work anymore, facts matter and the fact is that this is in no way normal for California as far as fires go. The 'fire season' used to be 3 months long, do you remember those times? Well now the 'fire season' is 12 months of the year. That's quite a difference than historical incidences of massive fires, wouldn't you agree? The reality is that if we don't take steps to protect our environment, our clean water and clean air that in 20 years it's going to be a done-deal and nobody will be able to reverse it for the remainder of the existence of this planet.

The State of California is far more crucial to our economy than anyone realizes. Check the graph below to see how your state compares to the economic contribution to the US economy of California. When a once in 500 year storm happens 26 times in a decade, we have to address the cause, which are the effects of man on the ecology of the planet.

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EMNofSeattle said:

You are yet to articulate any evidence of a “vendetta”


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NeverTrumpGOP said:

I said in. Not around. You can't even answer basic questions...

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NeverTrumpGOP said:

So what forests are there to manage in Malibu?? :lamo

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HumblePi said:

The news in California is dire and the fires are very serious. Thousands are fleeing rapidly advancing fires in a large part of the State. The fires spread very quickly. Where is the aide for California. Has Washington sent teams of firefighters to help? I'm not sure and that's genuinely why I'm asking. Yes, this is due to climate change and yes it will continue to get worse. Just ten years ago, California used to have a high fire risk during 3 months of the year, now it's 12 months of the year. Are threats appropriate right while people are experiencing the trauma of losing their homes and indeed, in danger of losing their lives.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-threatens-pull-federal-funding-california-wildfires-gross/story?id=59102371

Trump threatens to pull federal funding for California wildfires over 'gross mismanagement'

Fast-moving fires force mass evacuations in southern California

President Donald Trump woke up in Paris on Saturday in the mood to make threats toward California as it deals with deadly wildfires in Northern California and hundreds of smoldering homes in Southern California. In an angry tweet, the president threatened to pull federal funding for the state if nothing is done to "remedy" the situation.

Trump is in Paris to take part in a commemoration for the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I. But his mind was still on the disaster unfolding out west in the U.S.

Nine people have died in a spate of wildfires that began this week. All of the deaths were as a result of the Camp Fire in the area of Paradise, California, near Chico. Almost the entire city was decimated by flames early Friday.

The president approved an emergency declaration for the state on Friday -- but warned he may not do the same in the future. Emergency declarations provide municipalities with air support, relief supplies and evacuation transport.

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 10, 2018

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1. Mr. Trump is completely wrong in his statements about a water shortage;
2. Mr. Trump's suspension of environmental rules in order to "provide enough water" was completely unnecessary; and
3. Mr. Trump doesn't have a clue about forest management;

ElChupacabra said:

Sweet! Are we going to stop helping victims of tornadoes too? I mean, they choose to live in tornado alley knowing it's likely their homes will be devastated. Not sure there's much to be done about the wind though, so clearing these areas so the government doesn't have to spend money needlessly makes sense.

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