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Smash Racism - the leftist antifa terrorist group attacks journalist's wife at home

code1211 said:
You are still arguing in favor of violence intended to limit or eliminate free speech.

Is that really your intention or just another product of your blind hatred of Trump?
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Do trump’s words have consequences or don’t they?
 
code1211 said:
So you are STILL recommending the violent restriction or elimination of free speech by terrorist thugs.

Is that really your position?

Why is it so important to you to silence debate?
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So you're STILL recommending rounding up Jews and other minorities and sending them to camps?

Is that really your position?

Why is it so important to you to have a police state?
 
Cardinal said:
Do trump’s words have consequences or don’t they?
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Trump's words:

"Working together, we will begin the urgent task of rebuilding our nation and renewing the American Dream. I've spent my entire life and business looking at the untapped potential in projects and in people all over the world. That is now what I want to do for our country.

Tremendous potential. I've gotten to know our country so well -- tremendous potential. It's going to be a beautiful thing. Every single American will have the opportunity to realize his or her fullest potential. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.

We are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals. We're going to rebuild our infrastructure, which will become, by the way, second to none. And we will put millions of our people to work as we rebuild it.

We will also finally take care of our great veterans.

<snip>

We have a great economic plan. We will double our growth and have the strongest economy anywhere in the world. At the same time, we will get along with all other nations willing to get along with us. We will be.

We'll have great relationships. We expect to have great, great relationships. No dream is too big, no challenge is too great.

Nothing we want for our future is beyond our reach.

America will no longer settle for anything less than the best.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-election-night-speech-20161108-story.html
 
code1211 said:
Trump's words:
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"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"

So the question remains: do his words have consequences?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
So you're STILL recommending rounding up Jews and other minorities and sending them to camps?

Is that really your position?

Why is it so important to you to have a police state?
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I have said nothing supporting the hate you spew.

You on the other hand, are recommending the violent restriction of free speech.

Are you really not aware of your stance that you have taken and are continue to define?

You are arguing in favor of a mob attacking an individual and vandalizing his property with the intent to silence him.
 
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code1211 said:
I have said nothing supporting the hate you spew.

You on the other hand, are recommending the violent restriction of free speech.
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A laughable and transparent lie you keep repeating like a mantra or security blanket. You can't cite a single instance where I've recommended that.
Are you really not aware of your stance that you have taken and are continue to define?

You are arguing in favor of a mob attacking an individual and vandalizing his property with the intent to silence him.
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You are arguing in favor of rounding up minorities and putting them into camps in order to create a racially pure nation.
 
Cardinal said:
"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"

So the question remains: do his words have consequences?
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I see you provided no link. Also that you edited my post for no other reason than to change the meaning and then presented it as if it was the entire post.

In spite of your obviously intentional effort to deceive, I'll respond.

Fake news IS the enemy of the American people and of people everywhere.

It's called propaganda and has been used by many hoping to lie for effect. You seem to like it and wish that it be expanded. You also seem to employ it.

Why?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
A laughable and transparent lie you keep repeating like a mantra or security blanket. You can't cite a single instance where I've recommended that.

You are arguing in favor of rounding up minorities and putting them into camps in order to create a racially pure nation.
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I am arguing in favor of common courtesy and the self control to not deface a private citizen's home and terrorize his family.

What is it that you feel you are arguing to achieve?

Rounding up minorities? Are you delusional?
 
chuckiechan said:
I dont have video, but i listened to Maxine Waters and she basically said that. Many Democrat leaders are verbally walking up to that line, then letting assumptions take over from there.
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You'll forgive me if I don't believe your 2nd hand interpretations of what you think your opposition said.
 
Acadia said:
Then Waters shrugs and claims she doesn't know nothin' bout birthin' no mobs.
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Atta boy arcadia... let your true self shine for the world to see.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
To be honest (fair?) neither Waters nor Holder has advocated harassing conservative commentators. Protesting ideas and/or policies is completely legal, valid, acceptable and should even be encouraged but simply harassing and/or threatening folks at their homes is illegal, invalid, unacceptable and must be discouraged.

Trump is more guilty of putting forth the idea that (biased or "fake") news (or opinion) commentators are "enemies of the people" and thus deserve special attention/condemnation. He would be wise to tone that nonsense down but has shown no signs of doing so. It's high time that political "leaders" return to constructive criticism which includes offering their own 'good' alternatives to 'bad' ideas/policies.
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Yeah. We know you're a Libertarian and any speech is acceptable. So you'd acknowledge it's OK to yell fire in a crowded movie theatre of condone someone saying, "Hey let's all screw the Libertarian's wife."?
 
cabse5 said:
Yeah. We know you're a Libertarian and any speech is acceptable. So you'd acknowledge it's OK to yell fire in a crowded movie theatre of condone someone saying, "Hey let's all screw the Libertarian's wife."?
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You seem very confused about the content of the post to which you replied.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You seem very confused about the content of the post to which you replied.
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How so? And how do you justify the ANTIFA harassing Tucker Carlson's wife, again?
 
cabse5 said:
How so? And how do you justify the ANTIFA harassing Tucker Carlson's wife, again?
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I did no such thing. Reading is for the mental - or is that fundamental?
 
code1211 said:
I see you provided no link. Also that you edited my post for no other reason than to change the meaning and then presented it as if it was the entire post.

In spite of your obviously intentional effort to deceive, I'll respond.

Fake news IS the enemy of the American people and of people everywhere.

It's called propaganda and has been used by many hoping to lie for effect. You seem to like it and wish that it be expanded. You also seem to employ it.

Why?
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Which brings us back to the question: do trump’s words have consequences?
 
Cardinal said:
Which brings us back to the question: do trump’s words have consequences?
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In the market place of ideas, all ideas have the same consequence.

They provoke thought.

In the case of Trump's words, for some, any relation to thinking is entirely stopped by Trump's words. Any rational thought is replaced by irrational anger.

This is called Trump Derangement Syndrome and seems to affect about 40% of our population in varying degrees.

The consistent thing about anger in my life is that when I give in to anger, I give up rational thought.

Perhaps this is why when Trump says, "All Americans", hate filled, irrationally angry opponents line up to call him a racist. It's really an amazing disconnect from reality.

 
code1211 said:
In the market place of ideas, all ideas have the same consequence.

They provoke thought.

In the case of Trump's words, for some, any relation to thinking is entirely stopped by Trump's words. Any rational thought is replaced by irrational anger.

This is called Trump Derangement Syndrome and seems to affect about 40% of our population in varying degrees.

The consistent thing about anger in my life is that when I give in to anger, I give up rational thought.

Perhaps this is why when Trump says, "All Americans", hate filled, irrationally angry opponents line up to call him a racist. It's really an amazing disconnect from reality.

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So just to be clear, trump’s words do have consequences then. You should take that into account when groups use his words to commit acts you don’t like.
 
Cardinal said:
So just to be clear, trump’s words do have consequences then. You should take that into account when groups use his words to commit acts you don’t like.
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People have used Christ's words to commit acts I don't like. Same with Mohammed.

People, in many cases, are idiots.

These committed actions have almost NOTHING to do with Trump's words.

Those who are possessed by anger and hate will use whatever they can to deceive the weak minded in their attempt to gain support.

I would have thought you might have noticed this by now.
 
code1211 said:
People have used Christ's words to commit acts I don't like. Same with Mohammed.

People, in many cases, are idiots.

These committed actions have almost NOTHING to do with Trump's words.

Those who are possessed by anger and hate will use whatever they can to deceive the weak minded in their attempt to gain support.

I would have thought you might have noticed this by now.
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More consequences of Trump's words:

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Asha Rangappa is a frequent guest legal analyst on news spots and is a critic of Trump. When the President of the United States uses such inflammatory language such as "enemy of the people," this is the sort of thing you can expect. This is not at all surprising, which is why it produced such outrage when Trump first started using such language. It's why Presidents have traditionally tried to use tempered and neutral language in the past.

https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1068899620657467392

Trump supporters would like to believe that they live in a universe without consequences. Sorry, but this is not that universe.

I think we can all hope that Jeff Norman will be content to leave it at email and will not mail her a pipe bomb.
 
Cardinal said:
More consequences of Trump's words:

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Asha Rangappa is a frequent guest legal analyst on news spots and is a frequent critic of Trump. When the President of the United States uses such inflammatory language such as "enemy of the people," this is the sort of thing you can expect. This is not at all surprising, which is why it produced such outrage when Trump first started using such language. It's why Presidents have traditionally tried to use tempered and neutral language in the past.

https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1068899620657467392

Trump supporters would like to believe that they live in a universe without consequences. Sorry, but this is not that universe.

I think we can all hope that Jeff Norman will be content to leave it at email and will not mail her a pipe bomb.
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So you are saying what?

Is fake news a GOOD thing? Do you enjoy being lied to by people who think you are stupid?

I find this to be both insulting and demeaning. Don't you?

I am continuously saddened by news people engaging in this kind of deception. I recently watched a discussion in which Chris Wallace correctly quoted Trump saying that "Fake News" is the enemy of the people.

Then, in the next breath, Wallace directed a question to the guest asking how he could support Trump saying that a "free press" was the enemy of the people.

That logical disconnect committed with the linguistic back flip was both disappointing and surprising.

Wallace is usually more responsible.
 
code1211 said:
So you are saying what?

Is fake news a GOOD thing? Do you enjoy being lied to by people who think you are stupid?

I find this to be both insulting and demeaning. Don't you?

I am continuously saddened by news people engaging in this kind of deception. I recently watched a discussion in which Chris Wallace correctly quoted Trump saying that "Fake News" is the enemy of the people.

Then, in the next breath, Wallace directed a question to the guest asking how he could support Trump saying that a "free press" was the enemy of the people.

That logical disconnect committed with the linguistic back flip was both disappointing and surprising.

Wallace is usually more responsible.
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So what you're saying then is you approve of people using Trump's language as a basis for attacking or harassing journalists, and therefore approve of Antifa's treatment of Tucker Carlson. Sorry, but I can't agree with that.
 
code1211 said:
I am arguing in favor of common courtesy and the self control to not deface a private citizen's home and terrorize his family.

What is it that you feel you are arguing to achieve?

Rounding up minorities? Are you delusional?
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No, you're not arguing that. He was not terrorized. He lied about the entire affair.

Why do you support a Nazi USA?
 
Cardinal said:
So what you're saying then is you approve of people using Trump's language as a basis for attacking or harassing journalists, and therefore approve of Antifa's treatment of Tucker Carlson. Sorry, but I can't agree with that.
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How anyone could glean what you wrote from my words is beyond me.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, you're not arguing that. He was not terrorized. He lied about the entire affair.

Why do you support a Nazi USA?
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It seems that you take issue with only one detail of the description of the terror/hate crime.

There was vandalism to Carlson's property, his wife was terrorized, the chanting, uninvited gang was on his property and they were there for no other purpose than to terrorize and intimidate.

You seem to think that there was no damage done to his door. THAT seems to be the ONLY point on which you and Carlson disagree.

Support Nazis? Are you delusional?
 
code1211 said:
How anyone could glean what you wrote from my words is beyond me.
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You directly approved of the threat Asha Rangappa received because you agree with the premise that she's fake news. So if you don't approve of what Antifa is doing, then that means you agree with the principle of how one should behave toward people who disseminate fake news, but only when the journalists are critics of Trump.

So you're either behaving hypocritically or you approve of Antifa for treating Tucker Carlson, a disseminator of fake news and propaganda, like an enemy of the people.
 
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