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Attorney General Jeff Sessions Submitted His Resignation To Trump

Athanasius68 said:
Nothing is going to change. Mueller will proceed as if Sessions was still attorney general. The paranoia of those who think otherwise is amazing.
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I tend to agree that's what Mueller wants to do, but clearly Trump wants to undercut the investigation as he's state ever since it started.

FWIW, I do not think it's because Trump is afraid for himself, but because he's protecting family members; mainly Junior but probably Jared too.
 
Re: Attorney General Jeff Sessions Resigns from Trump White House

Atomic Kid said:
Guess what? Elections are a lawful function of the US Government. So any member or members of the Trump that gave false statements they knew to be false, deceitful to a governmental agency, that disrupted the functions of that agency (FEC for example) or engaged in acts that obstructed, impeded, interfered with those legitimate government functions by deceit, craft or trickery or dishonest means can be charged with conspiracy. I imagine this would be the statute that would be staring people such as Roger Stone and Don Jr. straight in the face.
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I concur. The problem, if I understand it correctly, is that a sitting President can't be indicted. OTOH, he can be impeached. Junior, Jared and anyone else involved can be indicted, of course.
 
Rising Sun said:
When Sessions recused himself, Trump was pissed and their relationship soured.
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Thats not what the note to which I responded stated. It said Trump wanted the investigation shut down. Trump has said nothing of the sort and he has done nothing to interfere with the investigation at all.
 
Rising Sun said:
I tend to agree that's what Mueller wants to do, but clearly Trump wants to undercut the investigation as he's state ever since it started.

FWIW, I do not think it's because Trump is afraid for himself, but because he's protecting family members; mainly Junior but probably Jared too.
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Trump has said from the start the investigation is a witch hunt and a waste if time. He obviously wants it to end.
But he has never impeded it.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Thats not what the note to which I responded stated. It said Trump wanted the investigation shut down. Trump has said nothing of the sort and he has done nothing to interfere with the investigation at all.
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Of course he does. Why do you think he keeps calling it a witch hunt?
 
Athanasius68 said:
Trump has said from the start the investigation is a witch hunt and a waste if time. He obviously wants it to end.
But he has never impeded it.
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Disagreed. Simply by labeling it a witch hunt and constantly undermining Mueller is an impedance. His anger at Sessions is over the fact Sessions wouldn’t impede the investigation. His choice for acting AG, a thoroughly unqualified person for the job, is based solely on his position regarding the investigation. That, in itself, is an impedance.

You are free to differentiate between criminally impeding an investigation, i.e. obstruction, or you can acknowledge that the impedance Trump has consistently applied is legal....although his choice for acting AG may not be legal.
 
Rising Sun said:
Disagreed. Simply by labeling it a witch hunt and constantly undermining Mueller is an impedance. His anger at Sessions is over the fact Sessions wouldn’t impede the investigation. His choice for acting AG, a thoroughly unqualified person for the job, is based solely on his position regarding the investigation. That, in itself, is an impedance.

You are free to differentiate between criminally impeding an investigation, i.e. obstruction, or you can acknowledge that the impedance Trump has consistently applied is legal....although his choice for acting AG may not be legal.
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Whittaker is more than qualified as a temporary placeholder.

And what impediment has Trump thrown up? Mueller has never seemed particularly bothered by calls he is conducting a witchhunt.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Whittaker is more than qualified as a temporary placeholder.

And what impediment has Trump thrown up? Mueller has never seemed particularly bothered by calls he is conducting a witchhunt.
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Whitiker would first need to recuse himself from this investigation....and second he wasn't next in line as is required by law.
 
ClaraD said:
Whitiker would first need to recuse himself from this investigation....and second he wasn't next in line as is required by law.
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Why would Whiiakee need to recuse himself?

The law doesnt require that the 2nd in command take over. The law says Whitaker has a max of 210 days.
 
Re: Attorney General Jeff Sessions Resigns from Trump White House

JANFU said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/attorn...ons-resigns-from-trump-white-house-1541619893


Attorney General Jeff Sessions has resigned at the request of President Trump. The move follows months of Mr. Trump expressing his displeasure with Mr. Sessions in critical tweets.

The abrupt move ended Mr. Sessions’ tumultuous tenure as the nation’s top law-enforcement officer. Throughout, he couldn’t shake Mr. Trump’s displeasure over the special-counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Resignation letter states- at your request- aka resign or be fired
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Sessions has been wrong about many things, but recusing himself was one thing he got right.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Why would Whiiakee need to recuse himself?

The law doesnt require that the 2nd in command take over. The law says Whitaker has a max of 210 days.
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because of his very obvious comments on the investigation itself. He has a conflict of interest. Whitiker can be accused of obstruction if he impedes the investigation.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Why would Whiiakee need to recuse himself?

The law doesnt require that the 2nd in command take over. The law says Whitaker has a max of 210 days.
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actually it does

the first assistant to the office of such officer shall perform the functions and duties of the office temporarily in an acting capacity subject to the time limitations of section 3346;
 
ClaraD said:
because of his very obvious comments on the investigation itself. He has a conflict of interest. Whitiker can be accused of obstruction if he impedes the investigation.
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So what about his comments? What if he was gung ho on the investigation? Would that have been a disqualifying event?
 
ClaraD said:
actually it does

the first assistant to the office of such officer shall perform the functions and duties of the office temporarily in an acting capacity subject to the time limitations of section 3346;
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Sec 3345 says otherwise.
 
Re: Attorney General Jeff Sessions Resigns from Trump White House

Atomic Kid said:
I'll tell you what. We'll wake you up when it's over. Sweet dreams!
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Hahaha! You are the one who is dreaming not me.:lol:
 
Re: Attorney General Jeff Sessions Resigns from Trump White House

Carleen said:
Sessions has been wrong about many things, but recusing himself was one thing he got right.
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His polices as AG I sharply disagreed with, but on recusal, he was right to do so
 
Athanasius68 said:
Whittaker is more than qualified as a temporary placeholder.

And what impediment has Trump thrown up? Mueller has never seemed particularly bothered by calls he is conducting a witchhunt.
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Simply lying about the investigation by calling it a witch hunt is an impediment. Sowing dissent against a lawful process, especially one with security concerns, is an impediment. Trump doesn’t give a damn about Russian hacking since he’s only interested in protecting his own ass. That’s wrong on many levels.
 
Rising Sun said:
Simply lying about the investigation by calling it a witch hunt is an impediment. Sowing dissent against a lawful process, especially one with security concerns, is an impediment. Trump doesn’t give a damn about Russian hacking since he’s only interested in protecting his own ass. That’s wrong on many levels.
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Mueller has produced nothing with respect to collusion. His scalps he has obtained has nothing to do with his mandate.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Why would Whiiakee need to recuse himself?

The law doesnt require that the 2nd in command take over. The law says Whitaker has a max of 210 days.
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Correct, but the standard protocol is to appoint the #2 who already has congressional approval. So why did Trump skip those in the chain of command and put in the spy he’d sent over to Sessions as his CoS?
 
Athanasius68 said:
Mueller has produced nothing with respect to collusion. His scalps he has obtained has nothing to do with his mandate.
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Correct on collusion, wrong about his “mandate”. Dude, you should look up the primary reason for the appointment of the special counsel on this case. Until you know what you are talking about, it’s not worth my time to discuss it with you.
 
Rising Sun said:
Correct, but the standard protocol is to appoint the #2 who already has congressional approval. So why did Trump skip those in the chain of command and put in the spy he’d sent over to Sessions as his CoS?
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Perhaps because Rosenstein had commented that he was looking to invoke the 25th. Trump doesnt trust him.
 
Rising Sun said:
Correct on collusion, wrong about his “mandate”. Dude, you should look up the primary reason for the appointment of the special counsel on this case. Until you know what you are talking about, it’s not worth my time to discuss it with you.
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Whittaker was of the professionsal opinion that Mueller would need express authority to say, prosecute Manafort. Others argued the authority was in the mandate.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Perhaps because Rosenstein had commented that he was looking to invoke the 25th. Trump doesnt trust him.
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Thus proving both that Trump is a frickin’ moron and that he’s unfit to be President since he doesn’t understand the Constitution.

Rosenstein can’t invoke the 25th Amendment. Section 4 of the Amendment clearly lays out the process.

Section 4

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
 
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