[W:118]Former felons right to vote

Re: Former felons right to vote

marke said:

God says God is in charge and human allegiance to God always takes precedence over human obedience to laws of men.

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When did that happen? You're not talking about the books hand picked by a bunch of guys in 325AD, are you?

Re: Former felons right to vote

marke said:

The Constitution does not rule God. God rules men and He judges those who refuse to seek His face to do His will.

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marke said:

God says God is in charge and human allegiance to God always takes precedence over human obedience to laws of men.

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Please take this garbage to a religion forum.

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poweRob said:

Please take this garbage to a religion forum.

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Democratic process: Force cake makers by ungodly law to violate their religious convictions and then tell them they cannot discuss their religion in public as a defense.

Re: Former felons right to vote

Rising Sun said:

IMO, either a person is a citizen or they are not. If a person serves their time, they deserve all of their rights back, be it voting or buying a gun. If they do not, then don't turn them loose on society.

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In my opinion, we can build a country on blind ideology or practical truth:

- Within three years of release, about two-thirds (67.8 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested.
- Within five years of release, about three-quarters (76.6 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested.
- Of those prisoners who were rearrested, more than half (56.7 percent) were arrested by the end of the first year.

By all means, have a gun.

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MSgt said:

In my opinion, we can build a country on blind ideology or practical truth:

- Within three years of release, about two-thirds (67.8 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested.
- Within five years of release, about three-quarters (76.6 percent) of released prisoners were rearrested.
- Of those prisoners who were rearrested, more than half (56.7 percent) were arrested by the end of the first year.

By all means, have a gun.

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The intelligent question would be “Why?” In most cases felons have a hard time finding a job regardless of skills or education. They turn back to crime to make ends meet, often drugs.

Something needs to be done about that.

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Rising Sun said:

The intelligent question would be “Why?” In most cases felons have a hard time finding a job regardless of skills or education. They turn back to crime to make ends meet, often drugs.

Something needs to be done about that.

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Sure, but there is no fixing an employer who doesn't want to hire a former convict.

The way I see it, we all have multiple chances to choose right and wrong paths for our lives. For plenty, options are more limited than others, but of those options there are still right and wrong paths. The moment a person chooses to commit a federal crime, and gets convicted, he has chosen a path of which there is little future. Expecting employers to simply look away and trust their businesses to convicted thieves, rapists, and murders, is a tall order.

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Erod said:

You did? Trump had the best first midterm of any president in a long, long, long time. Aside from Bush post 9/11.

Now Murkowski and Collins won't matter when we appoint that next Supreme Court justice or two.

Remember when Obama lost 63 seats? I do. Remember when he lost over 900 seats during his 8-year term in national and state offices? I do.

Every single place Obama stumped, he lost.

Trump won in 9 out of his 11 stumps.

This was supposed to be a huge loss for Trump. It was barely anything. And now the nation gets to watch Pelosi, Maxine, and Schiff run your party for two years.

Trump will be re-elected. Get used to it.

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It looks like you counted your chickens too soon. Montana, Arizona and probably Florida will go D. So, the R picked up one net Senate seat, thanks to losing Nevada.

Texas turned purple

US House flipped Blue.

Kansas now has a Democrat governor, as does Wisconsin.

Yeay Trump!

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MSgt said:

Sure, but there is no fixing an employer who doesn't want to hire a former convict.

The way I see it, we all have multiple chances to choose right and wrong paths for our lives. For plenty, options are more limited than others, but of those options there are still right and wrong paths. The moment a person chooses to commit a federal crime, and gets convicted, he has chosen a path of which there is little future. Expecting employers to simply look away and trust their businesses to convicted thieves, rapists, and murders, is a tall order.

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Disagreed, but certainly not by force. Encentives for employers who hire ex-felons would help.

Correct, we all have choices, but let’s not conflate someone who committed rape or murder with someone caught with two ounces of pot in their pocket. That said, if these people are so dangerous, why are we letting them out?

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Rising Sun said:

Disagreed, but certainly not by force. Encentives for employers who hire ex-felons would help.

Correct, we all have choices, but let’s not conflate someone who committed rape or murder with someone caught with two ounces of pot in their pocket. That said, if these people are so dangerous, why are we letting them out?

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Well, I don't think marijuana should be illegal anyway. It's a "Prohibition" type law that merely creates criminals and burdens our system unnecessarily. But until the laws change, a federal crime does not endear one to HR.

We let them out because they have served their time, not because they have paid their debt to society. Considering that judges hand down very different sentences for same crimes across the country, it is hard to argue this on the measurement of which is and is not dangerous or who has paid their debt. Plenty of murderers are eventually freed to walk in freedom, while their victims are long dead. This is not actual justice. This is only society's way of pretending that there is a humane goal to incarceration and temporary punishment.