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Real breaking news: Trump's continuted efforts to pollute the environment more

Slavister said:
No, and I never implied otherwise.



It's dumb to have environmental laws at local / state level. States with lack regulations would get the polluters businesses and end up polluting all the neighboring states. Yes, Trump appointed EPA management and has been setting its direction. So, yes, blame is squarely on his shoulders.
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Really, dumb? Does the Federal Govt. run businesses in your state and if another state pollutes your state sue them or better yet work to oust their leadership. You are always looking for a federal bureaucrat to do what you cannot seem to do and always blame someone else for your own failures
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
What a stupid strawman you are arguing. What does the approval rating of Trump in West Virginia have to do with the topic of the thread? The thread is about the Trump Administration weakening EPA pollution rules. The approval rating of Trump in West Virginia has nothing to at all to do with that. Do you believe that Trump having a good approval rating in the poorest state in the nation cleans the air or something? What is your point?
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You raised the issue of unemployment and I posted BLS data refuting that. Trump weakening EPA is only great for liberals who want to blame someone else for their own failures. Trump hasn't weakened anything and if words matter to you where is the mandate from the Federal Govt.?

What is it about people like you who seem to know what is better for another state that you don't live in?
 
Conservative said:
You raised the issue of unemployment and I posted BLS data refuting that. Trump weakening EPA is only great for liberals who want to blame someone else for their own failures. Trump hasn't weakened anything and if words matter to you where is the mandate from the Federal Govt.?

What is it about people like you who seem to know what is better for another state that you don't live in?
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1. The opening post links to an article about the Trump Admin weakening EPA pollution standards.

2. That last statement is rich coming for you as you probably have better than 10,000 posts on here with you bitching about California.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
1. The opening post links to an article about the Trump Admin weakening EPA pollution standards.

2. That last statement is rich coming for you as you probably have better than 10,000 posts on here with you bitching about California.
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You people are truly despicable, here is what the opening statement says

The Environmental Protection Agency has quietly signaled it may allow states to release more ozone air pollution, commonly known as smog, dirtying the air in those states and neighboring ones, but the agency did not review the health impact of such a move
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Hardly a mandate and hardly something your state can allow Your state controls your businesses not the federal govt.

California has among the highest cost of living in the nation, the worst quality of life, the tightest pollution regulations and leads the country in cities with pollution problems, In addition it is a fiscal disaster leading in homelessness and poverty which I am sure has nothing to do with poverty.

You people are truly desparate.
 
Conservative said:
Does the Federal Govt. run businesses in your state and if another state pollutes your state sue them or better yet work to oust their leadership.
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Yes, really dumb...
 
JustHanging said:
Are you trying to win the prize for stupidest comment of the month? Because you definitely made the stupidest comment of the month.

That is an idiotic response to the problem of increased air pollution.
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Actually I am still trying to find the meaning of "continuted"
 
Buzz62 said:
As I said, coal can and maybe should be weened from the world's power generation. Especially in industrialized nations.
But not like you propose. That's abrupt and would damage the lives of thousands of your fellow Americans. Its also not necessary.

Oh and yes...the Global Warming scare. You need to turn over your freedom because...well...CO2...
One of the biggest lies ever perpetrated.
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I'm a swed and here in Sweden we have learned since the 1970's that you can't save all industries and all types of jobs. While you can provide financial security berween works and provide help to workers to get new jobs. While at the same time have a innovative ecomomy that create new jobs and industries.

You also for example have Spain that is a positive example of that you can close down coal mines while at the same time bring new jobs to the coal workers.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90257736/spain-wants-to-phase-out-coal-plants-without-hurting-miners

While more people are employeed in the solar industry compared to the coal industry in the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/25/climate/todays-energy-jobs-are-in-solar-not-coal.html

Also it's a bit cynical of the coal industry to claim that the industry needs to be saved because of workers. Then they themself have fired tens of thousands of coal workers over the last decades because of mechanization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining_in_the_United_States

Particle pollution from coal plants are also attributable to thousands of deaths each year in the US.

https://www.catf.us/educational/coal-plant-pollution/
 
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Bergslagstroll said:
I'm a swed and here in Sweden we have learned since the 1970's that you can't save all industries and all types of jobs. While you can provide financial security berween works and provide help to workers to get new jobs. While at the same time have a innovative ecomomy that create new jobs and industries.

You also for example have Spain that is a positive example of that you can close down coal mines while at the same time bring new jobs to the coal workers.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90257736/spain-wants-to-phase-out-coal-plants-without-hurting-miners

While more people are employeed in the solar industry compared to the coal industry in the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/25/climate/todays-energy-jobs-are-in-solar-not-coal.html

Also it's a bit cynical of the coal industry to claim that the industry needs to be saved because of workers. Then they themself have fired tens of thousands of coal workers over the last decades because of mechanization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining_in_the_United_States

Particle pollution from coal plants are also attributable to thousands of deaths each year in the US.

https://www.catf.us/educational/coal-plant-pollution/
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Yes all valid points.
However the coal industry has had a revival under Trump, and to cut it off at the knees would be nasty.
I'm all for re-education, creating new and different jobs for the workers, etc etc...
I just think it needs to be done slowly and as painlessly as possible.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
1. The opening post links to an article about the Trump Admin weakening EPA pollution standards.

2. That last statement is rich coming for you as you probably have better than 10,000 posts on here with you bitching about California.
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Just received an infraction because of a post to you, that is typical leftwing radical reaction when challenged. Based upon that and the reality that this forum will never change and the left will always name call, never respond to actual data or refute actual data, I am done here, going on an extended vacation. You and the rest of the leftwing Democrats have a great time talking to yourself. Over and out!
 
Conservative said:
Just received an infraction because of a post to you, that is typical leftwing radical reaction when challenged. Based upon that and the reality that this forum will never change and the left will always name call, never respond to actual data or refute actual data, I am done here, going on an extended vacation. You and the rest of the leftwing Democrats have a great time talking to yourself. Over and out!
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Irony.
 
Buzz62 said:
Yes all valid points.
However the coal industry has had a revival under Trump, and to cut it off at the knees would be nasty.
I'm all for re-education, creating new and different jobs for the workers, etc etc...
I just think it needs to be done slowly and as painlessly as possible.
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Even the coal companies have a pessimistic view of the future of coal. So Trump risk both increasing pollution, wasting billions of dollars and giving false hope to workers.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...shutting-despite-trump-s-order-to-rescue-them
 
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