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Real breaking news: Trump's continuted efforts to pollute the environment more

HenryChinaski said:
My neighbor and dear friend is an environmental attorney that helped successfully sue Chicago’s Trump hotel property for non-compliance of Illinois EPA water regulation. You’ve no idea the evil **** that is on this administrations plate in regards to the air that you breathe and the water that you drink.
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Typical leftwing hysterics

Sent from Hillary's private email server.
 
Media_Truth said:
The American Lung Association isn't quite so calm.

The State of the Air 2018 report shows that many cities across the nation experienced more days when ground-level ozone, also known as "smog," reached unhealthy levels, including most of the cities with the worst ozone problems..."

https://www.lung.org/our-initiatives/healthy-air/sota/key-findings/

One of the functions of Government is to enforce the Clean Air Act. This is why some states are providing incentives for electric cars and renewable energy. Another step backward by the Chump Administration.
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Are those cities run by Democrats?

Sent from Hillary's private email server.
 
danarhea said:
Quick question..... Are you drunk? I ask this because your posts seem pretty drunk. LOL.
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Sounds like the word of experience.

Sent from Hillary's private email server.
 
Slavister said:
While Trump makes sure everyone talks about caravans and birth right... here is some real news...

Under the Trump administration's new guidance ... state can emit 43% more pollution across state lines than before.
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Why I hate the media. The spin in this is at top level, I'll give them that.

"The Environmental Protection Agency has quietly signaled"
"It was sent in August to EPA regional offices and posted on the agency's website, but not announced to the public."

Guidance memos are almost never announced to the public. This one is no different.

"The new one part per billion standard means a state can emit 43% more pollution across state lines than before."
"The Obama-era EPA supported a tighter 0.7 part per billion threshold for smog"

Yes, "one part per billion" and "43%" certainly looks much worse than ".07" part per billion. But is it? The increase would be just .03 part per billion. Looks less scary if reported like that though, doesn't it? Example: 70% of zero is the same as 10% of zero.



Guidance memos are not regulations or law. It is, and has been, up to the states themselves as to where they fall under the already established regulations. People need to start holding their states governments responsible for many of the issues today. It's been so easy for state government to pass the blame for everything to the feds.

This may increase smog in downwind states, but is an unnecessary expense for states not affected if it became a true regulation.
 
Slavister said:
While Trump makes sure everyone talks about caravans and birth right... here is some real news...

Under the Trump administration's new guidance ... state can emit 43% more pollution across state lines than before.
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The democrats have long used environmental scare tactics and bad science to shutter businesses in America and to mine the biggest of them for heavy fines which extorted monies were then distributed among democrat programs and not given to the US Treasury. Trump is changing all of that and greedy corrupt democrats don't like it.
 
Renae said:
The sky, is falling now. It is all, the bad orange man's fault. We must all hate him. Can't breath now... bad orange man blame...
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There is no denying his policies in general are misguided, this being an example. It’s not the sky is falling paranoia when literally crap is falling from the sky.
 
marke said:
The democrats have long used environmental scare tactics and bad science to shutter businesses in America and to mine the biggest of them for heavy fines which extorted monies were then distributed among democrat programs and not given to the US Treasury. Trump is changing all of that and greedy corrupt democrats don't like it.
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Environmental denial died decades ago. There is no denying that pollution causes illnesses and premature deaths.

It’s responsible to limit pollution instead of giving corporations a license to pollute.
 
MTAtech said:
There is no denying his policies in general are misguided, this being an example. It’s not the sky is falling paranoia when literally crap is falling from the sky.
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It's misguided that Trump isn't doing the thing you want him to do. HORRIBLE EVIL WILL BE FALL US ALL!

Or, the world will keep spinning, and the dire predictions and shrill voices will just get louder and more insane while the rest of us get on with our lives.
 
Renae said:
It's misguided that Trump isn't doing the thing you want him to do. HORRIBLE EVIL WILL BE FALL US ALL!

Or, the world will keep spinning, and the dire predictions and shrill voices will just get louder and more insane while the rest of us get on with our lives.
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Before environmental regulations, Lake Erie used to catch fire; one could see the air in LA; smog and acrid burning air had to be breathed, fish were killed by poison chemicals, etc.

Your attitude that this was nothing is merely sticking your head in a hole in the ground -- or a different hole.
 
MTAtech said:
Before environmental regulations, Lake Erie used to catch fire; one could see the air in LA; smog and acrid burning air had to be breathed, fish were killed by poison chemicals, etc.

Your attitude that this was nothing is merely sticking your head in a hole in the ground -- or a different hole.
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No one is ending Environmental Regulations. Can you be more Absurd? This isn't a "Either we have ALL REGULATIONS, or NO REGULATIONS!" situation. I cannot take you seriously when you resort to such absurd childishness. A change in approach, we can discuss the pro's and con's. But you've made it clear that anything short of massive regulatory scheme equals burning lakes shows you aren't interested in conversation, discussion just pushing the agenda you want and anyone that disagrees with you you will cast their position in the most dishonest and false light you can.
 
Renae said:
No one is ending Environmental Regulations. Can you be more Absurd? This isn't a "Either we have ALL REGULATIONS, or NO REGULATIONS!" situation. I cannot take you seriously when you resort to such absurd childishness. A change in approach, we can discuss the pro's and con's. But you've made it clear that anything short of massive regulatory scheme equals burning lakes shows you aren't interested in conversation, discussion just pushing the agenda you want and anyone that disagrees with you you will cast their position in the most dishonest and false light you can.
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There's a reason the EPA is currently managed by a former polluting coal baron. And it isn't to strengthen EPA regulations.
 
holbritter said:
Yes, "one part per billion" and "43%" certainly looks much worse than ".07" part per billion. But is it? The increase would be just .03 part per billion. Looks less scary if reported like that though, doesn't it? Example: 70% of zero is the same as 10% of zero.
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First, where did you get 0.07 and 0.03 numbers?

Second, yes, it makes a big difference. Maybe you'll start caring when your kids get the lung cancer... or maybe you'll keep making excuses.

Third, cross-state pollution has always been up to the feds, not the states. I would not want to live next to a state polluting like a Chinese city (though China is now ahead of US on green energy and trying to solve the issue).
 
Rogue Valley said:
There's a reason the EPA is currently managed by a former polluting coal baron. And it isn't to strengthen EPA regulations.
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Yes, it's because the EPA went too far, too hard and while I am as against reckless pollution as much as the next person, there is such a thing as too much regulation. Business, progress, economic gain, employment are also valuable resources and stifling them in a pursuit of bureaucratic gain isn't always the best answer.
 
Renae said:
It's misguided that Trump isn't doing the thing you want him to do. HORRIBLE EVIL WILL BE FALL US ALL!

Or, the world will keep spinning, and the dire predictions and shrill voices will just get louder and more insane while the rest of us get on with our lives.
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I have an idea that will let you really express yourself.

Increased pollution rates increase cancer rates, and other illnesses. So why not visit a children's hospital, and tell the kids with cancer "your dire predictions and shrill voices will just get louder and more insane while the rest of us get on with our lives."

I'm sure they and their parents would love to hear your opinion of their suffering.
 
MTAtech said:
Environmental denial died decades ago. There is no denying that pollution causes illnesses and premature deaths.

It’s responsible to limit pollution instead of giving corporations a license to pollute.
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Curbing pollution is one thing. Robbing corporations of billions of dollars through EPA fines and then funneling those monies to democrats and democrat organizations is not the proper way to research global warming theories. Obama had his democrat plans which benefited mostly democrats. Trump is shooting for plans which help the nation.
 
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Renae said:
No one is ending Environmental Regulations. Can you be more Absurd? This isn't a "Either we have ALL REGULATIONS, or NO REGULATIONS!" situation. I cannot take you seriously when you resort to such absurd childishness. A change in approach, we can discuss the pro's and con's. But you've made it clear that anything short of massive regulatory scheme equals burning lakes shows you aren't interested in conversation, discussion just pushing the agenda you want and anyone that disagrees with you you will cast their position in the most dishonest and false light you can.
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Ah, the death by 1,000 cuts:

Trump administration working to weaken EPA radiation regulations

Trump Orders EPA To Lift Regulations On Ethanol

EPA quietly telling states they can pollute more

Weaken Mercury Regulations? It's Scarier Than It Sounds
 
marke said:
Curbing pollution is one thing. Robbing corporations of billions of dollars through EPA fines and then funneling those monies to democrats and democrat organizations is not the proper way to research global warming theories. Obama had his democrat plans which benefited mostly democrats. Trump is shooting for plans which help the nation.
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You choose to believe falsehoods. There is no hope for such people that believe nonsense.
 
Renae said:
Yes, it's because the EPA went too far, too hard and while I am as against reckless pollution as much as the next person, there is such a thing as too much regulation. Business, progress, economic gain, employment are also valuable resources and stifling them in a pursuit of bureaucratic gain isn't always the best answer.
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The Trump EPA is the very antithesis of the Environmental Protection Agency we've all enjoyed for the past 48 years.

No one who loves good health and children should vote for a party seeking to enrich GOP fossil-fuel corporate donors by going back to this nightmare.....

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Rogue Valley said:
The Trump EPA is the very antithesis of the Environmental Protection Agency we've all enjoyed for the past 48 years.

No one who loves good health and children should vote for a party seeking to enrich GOP fossil-fuel corporate donors by going back to this nightmare.....

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Absurdity is absurd. The problem with Bureaucracies is they tend to get too big, and outgrow their use, finding new reasons to exist, new causes to champion. The EPA reached a point of over reach, this is a correction that's sorely needed.
 
Renae said:
Trump secretly wants to kill everyone with smog, you figured him out.
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You say things like this but ignore the real world implications of the things you support or dismiss out of hand.

You’re a science denier, we all know this, so it’s not a stretch to imagine you don’t give a damn about pollution either.

But hey, as long as someone, somewhere makes a quick buck off polluting the environment, that somehow, someway, makes you happy.
 
Renae said:
Absurdity is absurd. The problem with Bureaucracies is they tend to get too big, and outgrow their use, finding new reasons to exist, new causes to champion. The EPA reached a point of over reach, this is a correction that's sorely needed.
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Can you be specific? What specific regulations of the EPA are overreach? What are they regulating that they shouldn't?

The idea that the EPA outgrew its use is the absurdity.

The reality is that Trump is in bed with industry that would rather the public at large absorb the cost of their pollution instead of the industry spending the money to contain the pollution.
 
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