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Mueller Wants the FBI to Look at a Scheme to Discredit Him

Mycroft said:
shrug...

He might be a liar. He has a past......
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Hey MC, did Wohl have his second press conference yet? did he file that police report yet? I guess you're still waiting on "facts".
 
Vern said:
Hey MC, did Wohl have his second press conference yet? did he file that police report yet? I guess you're still waiting on "facts".
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Yes. I am.

But I'm not holding my breath.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
You do realize that in some countries "redistricting" is conducted by apolitical standing commissions according to clearly defined criteria and the government doesn't actually have any say in the boundaries of electoral districts are laid out (other than the option of making comments on the proposed "redistricting" [comments which the electoral boundaries commission is free to completely dismiss]), don't you?

Now why not read the linked website (and the internally linked legislation) and tell me whether you think that that system is "better" (read as "less prone to partisan political meddling")?
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If the Canucks are okay with that system, more power to them. I don't think it would work here. Canada is under a Parliamentary system and has a number of provinces, rather then 50 individual states with a high level of sovereignity.

However, if you were to ask me "Do you think that either the Republicans or the Democrats would willingly give up the 'I don't like seeing the electoral deck stacked BUT the big advantage of the current system is that, when it's my turn to deal, I get to stack the deck in my favour." current system in order to implement one where the cards, the shuffle, and the deal are all honest?" my honest answer is "In a pig's eye." - what's yours?
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I don't think either side would give up gerrymandering willingly either. Nor should they. I am not suggesting that the system is not abused, however whatever it would be replaced with would still amount to gerrymandering. I support the state legislatures setting up the districts. I don't believe in turning that over to un-elected judges or allegedly non-partisan commissions.
 
haymarket said:
I have always preferred the much superior and descriptive TRUMPKIN.
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Why can't you just accept that not every American voter is a died in the wool liberal democrat? Why do you have to look down on Trump supporters at all? Your party will never win consistently until you learn to respect your political opposition. Your party's candidate was soundly defeated by a political novice, not just because Hillary has no real ability to connect with mainstream American. It was also because she did not respect the abilities of her opponent or the populist movement he tapped into. The more your party uses the "Trump supporters are ignorant rubes" mantra, the further out in the wilderness your party will end up.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Why can't you just accept that not every American voter is a died in the wool liberal democrat? Why do you have to look down on Trump supporters at all? Your party will never win consistently until you learn to respect your political opposition. Your party's candidate was soundly defeated by a political novice, not just because Hillary has no real ability to connect with mainstream American. It was also because she did not respect the abilities of her opponent or the populist movement he tapped into. The more your party uses the "Trump supporters are ignorant rubes" mantra, the further out in the wilderness your party will end up.
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Your post has nothing to do with the post from me you pretended to be responding to. I never called Trumps supporters "ignorant rubes".
 
ObamacareFail said:
You are off the reality map on so much.....
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The problem with this is that you were faced with cold hard facts, along with links, and you still choose to be "unaware" as you pretend that your designed perspective is the reality.

When pondering what might be wrong with our country's politics, you might want to consider how so many of you are more than willing to blindly and irrationally follow a political Party right over the spectrum's edge.
 
haymarket said:
Your post has nothing to do with the post from me you pretended to be responding to. I never called Trumps supporters "ignorant rubes".
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Nice try, however anyone reading your posts can read between the lines. Why use the term "trumpkins"? Why not "Trump supporters"?

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MSgt said:
The problem with this is that you were faced with cold hard facts, along with links, and you still choose to be "unaware" as you pretend that your designed perspective is the reality.

When pondering what might be wrong with our country's politics, you might want to consider how so many of you are more than willing to blindly and irrationally follow a political Party right over the spectrum's edge.
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The problem with you is that you consider any link that supports your point of view to be cold hard facts just because you say so. You do not respect opposing opinions. As for your suggestion that I am following a political party off the cliff, that's laughable. I am not a Republican or Democrat. I just vote my philosophy which is conservative. In the 2016 election, I skipped the congressional choices altogether. I have little respect for establishment Republicans and none for Democrats. If I do vote in a congressional election, my real motive is to keep dementia addled Nancy Pelosi from gaining the "speaker of the house" seat and corrupt Chuckles Schumer from controlling the Senate. If anyone is following a party off the cliff, its you. You are supporting a party that has gone off the cliff twice in the last three decades and is about to do so again.

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ObamacareFail said:
Nice try, however anyone reading your posts can read between the lines. Why use the term "trumpkins"? Why not "Trump supporters"?

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The Munchkins were naive, simple , trusting and provincial living in a nearly childlike state of perpetual delusion in a make believe world. They believed in the power of the Wizard and bowed their heads or knelt in adoration at the mention of his sacred name. Of course, the Wizard was a massive humbug. a con man, a blowhard, a charlatan,a sideshow barker and liar living a sham existence lying to everyone to keep power that he had appropriated for himself. But the Munchkins loved and adored him without question.

To apply their name to the followers of Trump is apt perfection to the nth degree.

It is blissful poetry.

I believe I have answered your inquiry as to the aptness of the name TRUMPKINS.
 
ObamacareFail said:
If the Canucks are okay with that system, more power to them. I don't think it would work here. Canada is under a Parliamentary system and has a number of provinces, rather then 50 individual states with a high level of sovereignity.
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A fine example of "It isn't American so it won't work." logic.

It is the very fact that the "sovereignty" of the STATES which has led to the gerrymandering of FEDERAL electoral districts so the only way to attack that problem is at the FEDERAL level.


ObamacareFail said:
I don't think either side would give up gerrymandering willingly either.
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Quite right, those who obtain power unscrupulously seldom willingly abandon the means to keep it.

ObamacareFail said:
Nor should they.
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The implied "as long as it's "My Guys" who are doing it" is obvious.

ObamacareFail said:
I am not suggesting that the system is not abused, however whatever it would be replaced with would still amount to gerrymandering.
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Only if you don't know what gerrymandering actually is.

ObamacareFail said:
I support the state legislatures setting up the districts. I don't believe in turning that over to un-elected judges or allegedly non-partisan commissions.
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I would agree with you on that "allegedly non-partisan commissions" bit. The trick, you see, is to kick that "allegedly" out of the equation.

As an example, no one accuses the Canadian Electoral Boundaries Commissions of being "partisan" or even "allegedly non-partisan" for the simple reason that the people on those commissions are chosen for their commitment to ensuring that the actual rules that are supposed to be used to determine electoral boundaries are applied and respected.

What your comment implies is that the several governments of the United States are unwilling to take the risk of acting ethically (and, even if the governments were that they couldn't find enough people who were willing to act ethically) in order to make a truly non-partisan system of determining electoral boundaries work. If you combine that with the frequency of complaints about partisan behaviour of the people who are charged with running the elections, you end up with a rather sorry picture of the health of democracy in the United States of America.

I will admit that I do not recall the conduct at every polling station in every election in Canada since 1962, but I cannot recall a single instance where a polling station worker or supervisor was accused of continued partisan political activity, and in the extremely few cases where that did happen, the person was invariably removed from the polling station - frequently by the "poll watcher" from their own preferred party.
 
haymarket said:
The Munchkins were naive, simple , trusting and provincial living in a nearly childlike state of perpetual delusion in a make believe world. They believed in the power of the Wizard and bowed their heads or knelt in adoration at the mention of his sacred name. Of course, the Wizard was a massive humbug. a con man, a blowhard, a charlatan,a sideshow barker and liar living a sham existence lying to everyone to keep power that he had appropriated for himself. But the Munchkins loved and adored him without question.

To apply their name to the followers of Trump is apt perfection to the nth degree.

It is blissful poetry.

I believe I have answered your inquiry as to the aptness of the name TRUMPKINS.
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You just proved my point. You have absolutely no respect for Trump supporters. And you are so emotionally stunted over Hillary's defeat that you have not yet worked out that it's not so much about Trump as it is the populist movement that he tapped into. The left has either ignored or slandered the movement since it began in 2010, at it's own peril. That populist movement has also picked up steam in many places in Europe. Brexit is just one example. It is not a pied piper, or wizard of oz effect. It is simply voters wanting to step back from the big bloated government and globalist direction. Once you learn what your opposition is about and that those who do not buy into your politics lockstep are not ignorant rubes, you will begin to heal. In the meantime, I suppose the librul universities are still offering safe rooms an ponies.

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ObamacareFail said:
You just proved my point. You have absolutely no respect for Trump supporters. And you are so emotionally stunted over Hillary's defeat that you have not yet worked out that it's not so much about Trump as it is the populist movement that he tapped into. The left has either ignored or slandered the movement since it began in 2010, at it's own peril. That populist movement has also picked up steam in many places in Europe. Brexit is just one example. It is not a pied piper, or wizard of oz effect. It is simply voters wanting to step back from the big bloated government and globalist direction. Once you learn what your opposition is about and that those who do not buy into your politics lockstep are not ignorant rubes, you will begin to heal. In the meantime, I suppose the librul universities are still offering safe rooms an ponies.

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If you are going to pretend to respond to my post, at least have the decency to respond to it instead of simply going into attack mode.

What exactly is incorrect about my comparison of Trump and the Trumpkins to Oz?
 
haymarket said:
If you are going to pretend to respond to my post, at least have the decency to respond to it instead of simply going into attack mode.

What exactly is incorrect about my comparison of Trump and the Trumpkins to Oz?
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I am getting bored with this. Attitudes like yours contributed to your 2016 defeat.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I am getting bored with this. Attitudes like yours contributed to your 2016 defeat.
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I did not run for any office in 2016. You have me confused with somebody else.
 
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MTAtech said:
The Atlantic: Mueller Wants the FBI to Look at a Scheme to Discredit Him

When: 1:14 PM ET, Today

SNIPPET:

Comment. So, in order to save Trump, someone allegedly tried to hire a woman to fabricate sexual assault charges against Mueller. These people have no limits to how low they will stoop.
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Funny how trump supporters were quick to claim the democrats paid Dr Ford to accuse Kavanaugh of sexual assault but they say nothing about the women the trump paid to try and discredit Mueller - a republican!
 
ObamacareFail said:
The problem with you is that you consider any link that supports your point of view to be cold hard facts just because you say so. You do not respect opposing opinions. As for your suggestion that I am following a political party off the cliff, that's laughable. I am not a Republican or Democrat. I just vote my philosophy which is conservative. In the 2016 election, I skipped the congressional choices altogether. I have little respect for establishment Republicans and none for Democrats. If I do vote in a congressional election, my real motive is to keep dementia addled Nancy Pelosi from gaining the "speaker of the house" seat and corrupt Chuckles Schumer from controlling the Senate. If anyone is following a party off the cliff, its you. You are supporting a party that has gone off the cliff twice in the last three decades and is about to do so again.

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Speaking of dementia - how is trump today?
 
ObamacareFail said:
You did not care about Bill Clinton's ***** grabbing and affairs. Whats your point?
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The same people who were outraged by Clinton's adultery and blow job in the oval office, are the same people who think trump's adultery, ***** grabbing and alleged child rape as perfectly normal behaviour.
 
JoanDavis said:
The same people who were outraged by Clinton's adultery and blow job in the oval office, are the same people who think trump's adultery, ***** grabbing and alleged child rape as perfectly normal behaviour.
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Who's ***** did he grab? What child? Did Trump commit adultery in the Oval Office with an INTERN that he was the boss of and lie about it UNDER OATH. Isn't Mueller putting people in jail for lying under oath?
 
JoanDavis said:
Funny how trump supporters were quick to claim the democrats paid Dr Ford to accuse Kavanaugh of sexual assault but they say nothing about the women the trump paid to try and discredit Mueller - a republican!
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I don't think Democrats paid Dr. Ford to give false testimony. I think Dr. Ford did it for free. :lol:
 
SLC said:
Pelosi's puppets have Pelosi's hand up their.....:lamo
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Whats the matter? Run out of things to attack Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren on?

The right wing does hate strong democratic women.
 
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