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Mueller Wants the FBI to Look at a Scheme to Discredit Him

TU Curmudgeon said:
I never said that I was an AMERICAN "Centrist".

To be an AMERICAN "centrist" I'd have to go along with "The MORE OR LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party".

While you may find it a source of humour, there are actually people in the world whose knowledge of the political spectrum is such that they don't see the Democrats as "Left-Wing" at all, but rather see it in its global perspective as a sort of “[Moderate to Conservative] Right Center" political party and who find those who characterize it as "Left-Wing" (by which they mean "Socialist" [by which they mean "Communist") political party as hilariously ill informed.
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The closest you come is progressive, you can keep trying to evade that or just own it.
 
Herkamer63 said:
To the Leftists REALLY concerned about this story, if a woman DOES come out against Mueller, with a police report, corroborating witnesses, evidence, remembers the year, date, time, town, neighborhood, place, number of people, room, and if it was just Mueller present, would you accept this woman's testimony? If so, do you think Mueller should be taken off the Trump/Russia case?
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Wait. Your'e more concerned about fantasy what-if scenarios than what actually happened?
But you're mad people are commenting in a thread about the very real scheme two Republican Trump supporting morons cooked up, to try and get some women to lie about Mueller's sexual misconduct in an effort to obstruct the ongoing criminal investigation into Russians' meddling in the 2016 election and possible ties to the Trump campaign? Because you don't think it's interesting?

You must be kidding.

If Mueller was reasonable shown to me caught in credible #meToo scandal, he'd probably step down, because Rosenstein would ask him too, or because he'd know Rosenstein would ask him to, and he'd do it first.
 
Mach said:
Wait. Your'e more concerned about fantasy what-if scenarios than what actually happened?
But you're mad people are commenting in a thread about the very real scheme two Republican Trump supporting morons cooked up, to try and get some women to lie about Mueller's sexual misconduct in an effort to obstruct the ongoing criminal investigation into Russians' meddling in the 2016 election and possible ties to the Trump campaign? Because you don't think it's interesting?

You must be kidding.

If Mueller was reasonable shown to me caught in credible #meToo scandal, he'd probably step down, because Rosenstein would ask him too, or because he'd know Rosenstein would ask him to, and he'd do it first.
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You and I know Mueller won't step down. Even if he wanted to, Rosenstein would find a way to keep him on. So don't give me that. And you're not answering the first part. I'm asking you, a Leftist, if YOU would accept it. Because, so far, it's the same as the Kavanaugh case: No evidence, corroborating witnesses, police reports, year, date, time, neighborhood, place, actual number of people present, person(s) present during the alleged dirty deed, the room. You didn't even bother to reading the other part. I'm giving Mueller the benefit of the doubt because of what was listed. You know, innocent until proven guilty. I don't believe in guilty until proven innocent. I did the same thing with Kavanaugh, and an FBI background check, including 7 others he had in the past, he was never proven to be guilty. I know it's not a court of law, but rather the court of public opinion, he's vindicated. Mueller might end up being innocent. In other words, the accuser (be it that guy or this alleged woman) has, other than a story, presented nothing other than an allegation. Same thing with Kavanaugh: an accusation came forward with a story, but no evidence. Difference is the Left loves Mueller because he's investigating Trump, but hates Kavanaugh because he was picked by Trump for SCOTUS. So all in all, it boils down to Trump to you guys.
 
Herkamer63 said:
You and I know Mueller won't step down. Even if he wanted to, Rosenstein would find a way to keep him on. So don't give me that.
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Of course he would, the investigation is nearly over and someone from his team or someone else of Rosenstein's choosing could take up the baton.

And you're not answering the first part. I'm asking you, a Leftist, if YOU would accept it.
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Because there is no first part. It's two complete Trump nutters who have no credibility, and are apparently intent on finding a way to go less than zero on credibility. It's a ****ing joke. They were busted and now it's just a comedy show we're watching because it's ****ing hilarious. You really have to watch these reporters ask these two bozos questions, and see their D- acting job. It's just too much.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/muell...ump-activists-falls-apart-at-press-conference

 
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There IS a first part. Whether or not it's from these people, the question still remains. Would you accept the premise if a woman did in fact came forward, regardless if these 2 guys are involved, with a claim that Mueller did in fact sexually assault her, evidence in hand, with corroborating witnesses, a police report, and remembers everything that had happened that day, month, and year? If so, do you think, as a result, Mueller should suspend his investigation into Trump to do deal with this? You guys on the Left wanted Kavanaugh to rescind his nomination after Ford, who didn't have evidence, no corroborating witnesses, and no police report, gave her statement. For some reason, you guys believe in the the idea of "All women need to be believed", but when it comes to a case where the woman excuses the Leftist then they are not believable. They're liars in your eyes and part of the Right Wing conspiracy. These guys that made the allegation could actually be nut jobs, to be honest I never heard of them before, but the reaction from the Left is priceless. The fact that Mueller wants to use the FBI against 2 guys that are not well known over an allegation that may not be true shows what the Left wants to do to people they disagree with and how thin skinned they really are.
 
Herkamer63 said:
There IS a first part. Whether or not it's from these people, the question still remains. Would you accept the premise if a woman did in fact came forward, regardless if these 2 guys are involved, with a claim that Mueller did in fact sexually assault her, evidence in hand, with corroborating witnesses, a police report, and remembers everything that had happened that day, month, and year? If so, do you think, as a result, Mueller should suspend his investigation into Trump to do deal with this? You guys on the Left wanted Kavanaugh to rescind his nomination after Ford, who didn't have evidence, no corroborating witnesses, and no police report, gave her statement. For some reason, you guys believe in the the idea of "All women need to be believed", but when it comes to a case where the woman excuses the Leftist then they are not believable. They're liars in your eyes and part of the Right Wing conspiracy. These guys that made the allegation could actually be nut jobs, to be honest I never heard of them before, but the reaction from the Left is priceless. The fact that Mueller wants to use the FBI against 2 guys that are not well known over an allegation that may not be true shows what the Left wants to do to people they disagree with and how thin skinned they really are.
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You're a moron.
 
Mach said:
Because there is no first part. It's two complete Trump nutters who have no credibility, and are apparently intent on finding a way to go less than zero on credibility. It's a ****ing joke. They were busted and now it's just a comedy show we're watching because it's ****ing hilarious. You really have to watch these reporters ask these two bozos questions, and see their D- acting job. It's just too much.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/muell...ump-activists-falls-apart-at-press-conference

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that was like a Spinal Tap movie. I did like Jack saying "We have tentacles out in all directions."
 
OpportunityCost said:
The closest you come is progressive, you can keep trying to evade that or just own it.
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The closest I come is "American" Progressive - in some respects.

"American" Progressives (in some regards) make it all the way into the "center" bloc of the Conservative Party of Canada.

However, not being a resident of the United States of America, I don't feel any need to limit myself to "American" definitions (especially when those definitions totally ignore about 60% of the political spectrum.
 
Herkamer63 said:
You and I know Mueller won't step down. Even if he wanted to, Rosenstein would find a way to keep him on. So don't give me that. And you're not answering the first part. I'm asking you, a Leftist, if YOU would accept it.
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Why would anyone want to "accept it" without any investigation?

Why would anyone not want the allegations investigated?

Why would anyone want to reject it without any investigation?

Why would anyone not want the allegations investigated?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
The closest I come is "American" Progressive - in some respects.

"American" Progressives (in some regards) make it all the way into the "center" bloc of the Conservative Party of Canada.

However, not being a resident of the United States of America, I don't feel any need to limit myself to "American" definitions (especially when those definitions totally ignore about 60% of the political spectrum.
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Owning it. See, I can respect that, its honest.
 
Mycroft said:
Correction: I've always been "spin resistant". I love facts....

As I said...I'm awaiting more facts.
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Hey MC, you still waiting for more facts. here's a good one. the picture of wohl with Meuller's "accuser" was a just an old picture of his girlfriend.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211353926

Now if you want to say you need more facts before you can say its really his girlfriend I'm with you, I don't believe it either.
 
Definitely need to appoint a Special Counsel. Avenatti is available, I hear.
 
Mycroft said:
Correction: I've always been "spin resistant". I love facts.

Of course, part of dealing with facts is using commonly defined terms. Tell me...what is a "documented RW POS"?

As far as the issues here, we know that a woman claims she was offer $20k to say something about Mueller. We also know that someone is going to announce something about Mueller on Thursday. shrug... That's pretty much all the facts we have right now. Not much to go on.

As I said...I'm awaiting more facts.

You, on the other hand, can make up your mind with what you have.
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You.. love facts...

And I’m 1995 George Clooney.
 
Vern said:
Hey MC, you still waiting for more facts. here's a good one. the picture of wohl with Meuller's "accuser" was a just an old picture of his girlfriend.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211353926

Now if you want to say you need more facts before you can say its really his girlfriend I'm with you, I don't believe it either.
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Yeah...I'm still waiting for facts. All I've seen so far are unproven, pretty much unbelievable, accusations...from both sides.

For example, I read a story a little while ago about a homeless lady...living in a Hummer...who paid Wohl $1200 to find it when it was stolen. Homeless? Hummer? $1200? Really?

He says it was a scam. She sold the Hummer and wanted him to get it back for her. He offered her a refund and she refused the money.

So Vern...what are the "facts" in that mess?
 
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Mycroft said:
Yeah...I'm still waiting for facts. All I've seen so far are unproven, pretty much unbelievable, accusations...from both sides.

For example, I read a story a little while ago about a homeless lady...living in a Hummer...who paid Wohl $1200 to find it when it was stolen. Homeless? Hummer? $1200? Really?

He says it was a scam. She sold the Hummer and wanted him to get it back for her. He offered her a refund and she refused the money.

So Vern...what are the "facts" in that mess?
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The fact is that Wohl helped fabricate an intelligence company to support this hoax. He has been flat out caught inventing people. H
 
Deuce said:
The fact is that Wohl helped fabricate an intelligence company to support this hoax. He has been flat out caught inventing people. H
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What hoax?

Do you have some facts that disprove the accusations?
 
Mycroft said:
What hoax?

Do you have some facts that disprove the accusations?
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You’ve missed a lot. The agency this woman supposedly came to for assistance with coming forward... doesn’t exist. Their profiles include photos of supermodels and academy award-winning actors. Jacob Wohl even used a photo of himself badly photoshopped to be darker. He used his mom’s goddamned phone number for the agency contact. He claimed to not know anything about the agency, except he was dumb enough to register the website with his own name.

Nobody has actually accused Mueller of anything. A dip**** 20 year old kid already convicted of fraud made it up.
 
Deuce said:
You’ve missed a lot. The agency this woman supposedly came to for assistance with coming forward... doesn’t exist. Their profiles include photos of supermodels and academy award-winning actors. Jacob Wohl even used a photo of himself badly photoshopped to be darker. He used his mom’s goddamned phone number for the agency contact. He claimed to not know anything about the agency, except he was dumb enough to register the website with his own name.

Nobody has actually accused Mueller of anything. A dip**** 20 year old kid already convicted of fraud made it up.
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Oh. Do you have any actual facts that prove the accusations are made up? Has anyone testified to that?

You know...Do you have any fact?

Like I keep saying, I'll await the facts.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh. Do you have any actual facts that prove the accusations are made up? Has anyone testified to that?

You know...Do you have any fact?

Like I keep saying, I'll await the facts.
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What accusations? Who has made an accusation? Who is the alleged victim?
 
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Edit: disregard, prank account. Should have seen that coming
 
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Deuce said:
What accusations? Who has made an accusation? Who is the alleged victim?
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Well, let's see...

Mueller has accused someone of paying women to lie about him. I guess he considers himself to be the victim here. Unfortunately, there aren't any real facts that support his accusation.

Carolyne Cass has accused Mueller of raping her. I guess she considers herself to be the victim here. Unfortunately, there aren't any real facts that support her accusation.

I don't know. Maybe they are both telling the truth. Maybe they are both lying. I'll wait for some facts to establish what's what.

Oh...I forgot...your accusation. You accuse Wohl of making the whole thing up. I don't know who you consider the victim to be. Unfortunately, there aren't any real facts that support your accusation.
 
Mycroft said:
Well, let's see...

Mueller has accused someone of paying women to lie about him. I guess he considers himself to be the victim here. Unfortunately, there aren't any real facts that support his accusation.

Carolyne Cass has accused Mueller of raping her. I guess she considers herself to be the victim here. Unfortunately, there aren't any real facts that support her accusation.

I don't know. Maybe they are both telling the truth. Maybe they are both lying. I'll wait for some facts to establish what's what.

Oh...I forgot...your accusation. You accuse Wohl of making the whole thing up. I don't know who you consider the victim to be. Unfortunately, there aren't any real facts that support your accusation.
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Wohl used an image of the accuser with her face blacked out. Turns out it was a photo he had posted online in the past... of him and his girlfriend.

Surefire Intelligence is a fake agency. That’s a fact.

Carolyne Cass has NOT accused Mueller of anything. Wohl is the one saying she has. You have only his word to go on... the word of a convicted fraudster who invented an intelligence agency.
 
Mycroft, are you aware that Mueller was literally in court at the time of the alleged incident?
 
Deuce said:
Mycroft, are you aware that Mueller was literally in court at the time of the alleged incident?
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What time did the incident occur? What time was Mueller actually "literally" in court?

Those are facts that I haven't heard yet.
 
Deuce said:
Wohl used an image of the accuser with her face blacked out. Turns out it was a photo he had posted online in the past... of him and his girlfriend.

Surefire Intelligence is a fake agency. That’s a fact.

Carolyne Cass has NOT accused Mueller of anything. Wohl is the one saying she has. You have only his word to go on... the word of a convicted fraudster who invented an intelligence agency.
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That's why I'm waiting for facts. So far, all we have is some "word" from various people...including you.
 
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