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[W:701]Trump plans to sign executive order curbing birthright citizenship: report

Sam_Troy

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This is cotton pickin great news. It's time to finally end the abuse of the 14th Amendment by mainly third worlders who come here to drop babies on our sovereign soil which ends up putting a major burden on our natural born Citizen taxpayers and overall economy. The 14th Amendment was never meant for babies of foreign nationals born on our soil to become citizens. This will be an epic step in stopping the browning of America. I see our newly appointed Constitution originalist Supreme Court Justices, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, siding with our magnificent leader on this when it gets to the docket. This will be a win for President Trump and America, and the future for the people this country was specifically created for by the founders. See the Naturalization Act of 1790, the very first legislation by the first Congress to know who I'm talking about.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship

President Trump said in a newly released interview he plans to sign an executive order ending so-called "birthright citizenship" for babies of non-citizens born on U.S. soil -- a move that would mark a major overhaul of immigration policy and trigger an almost-certain legal battle.

Birthright citizenship allows any baby born on U.S. soil to automatically be a U.S. citizen.

The policy, which stems from a disputed but long-recognized interpretation of the 14th Amendment, has given rise to what Trump considers abuse of the immigration system. Trump told "Axios on HBO" that the U.S. is the only country in the world "where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Despite Trump's claim, the U.S. is not the only nation to have birthright citizenship, but the policy is rare outside of the Americas. Trump called birthright citizenship "ridiculous" and said that "it has to end."
 
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Sam_Troy said:
This is cotton pickin great news. It's time to finally end the abuse of the 14th Amendment by mainly third worlders who come here to drop babies on our sovereign soil which ends up putting a major burden on our natural born Citizen taxpayers and overall economy. The 14th Amendment was never meant for babies of foreign nationals born on our soil to become citizen. This will be an epic step in stopping the browning of America. I see our newly appointed Constitution originalist Supreme Court Justices siding with our magnificent leader on this when it gets to the docket.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship

President Trump said in a newly released interview he plans to sign an executive order ending so-called "birthright citizenship" for babies of non-citizens born on U.S. soil -- a move that would mark a major overhaul of immigration policy and trigger an almost-certain legal battle.

Birthright citizenship allows any baby born on U.S. soil to automatically be a U.S. citizen.

The policy, which stems from a disputed but long-recognized interpretation of the 14th Amendment, has given rise to what Trump considers abuse of the immigration system. Trump told "Axios on HBO" that the U.S. is the only country in the world "where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Despite Trump's claim, the U.S. is not the only nation to have birthright citizenship, but the policy is rare outside of the Americas. Trump called birthright citizenship "ridiculous" and said that "it has to end."
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I agree with what he is saying but I don't think has the authority to end it. This will most likely need to be heard by our scotus

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Sam_Troy said:
This is cotton pickin great news. It's time to finally end the abuse of the 14th Amendment by mainly third worlders who come here to drop babies on our sovereign soil which ends up putting a major burden on our natural born Citizen taxpayers and overall economy. The 14th Amendment was never meant for babies of foreign nationals born on our soil to become citizen. This will be an epic step in stopping the browning of America. I see our newly appointed Constitution originalist Supreme Court Justices, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, siding with our magnificent leader on this when it gets to the docket. This will be a win for President Trump and American, and the future for the people this country was specifically created for by the founders. See the Naturalization Act of 1790, the very first legislation by the first Congress to know who I'm talking about.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship

President Trump said in a newly released interview he plans to sign an executive order ending so-called "birthright citizenship" for babies of non-citizens born on U.S. soil -- a move that would mark a major overhaul of immigration policy and trigger an almost-certain legal battle.

Birthright citizenship allows any baby born on U.S. soil to automatically be a U.S. citizen.

The policy, which stems from a disputed but long-recognized interpretation of the 14th Amendment, has given rise to what Trump considers abuse of the immigration system. Trump told "Axios on HBO" that the U.S. is the only country in the world "where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Despite Trump's claim, the U.S. is not the only nation to have birthright citizenship, but the policy is rare outside of the Americas. Trump called birthright citizenship "ridiculous" and said that "it has to end."
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Trump told "Axios on HBO" that the U.S. is the only country in the world "where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."
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I was going to say Trump is wrong in the part I quoted, but realized he is right


The US is the only country in which US citizenship can be granted. So he is correct. But for clarity there are a lot of countries that have birth right citizenship
 
Sam_Troy said:
This is cotton pickin great news. It's time to finally end the abuse of the 14th Amendment by mainly third worlders who come here to drop babies on our sovereign soil which ends up putting a major burden on our natural born Citizen taxpayers and overall economy. The 14th Amendment was never meant for babies of foreign nationals born on our soil to become citizen. This will be an epic step in stopping the browning of America. I see our newly appointed Constitution originalist Supreme Court Justices, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, siding with our magnificent leader on this when it gets to the docket. This will be a win for President Trump and America, and the future for the people this country was specifically created for by the founders. See the Naturalization Act of 1790, the very first legislation by the first Congress to know who I'm talking about.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship

President Trump said in a newly released interview he plans to sign an executive order ending so-called "birthright citizenship" for babies of non-citizens born on U.S. soil -- a move that would mark a major overhaul of immigration policy and trigger an almost-certain legal battle.

Birthright citizenship allows any baby born on U.S. soil to automatically be a U.S. citizen.

The policy, which stems from a disputed but long-recognized interpretation of the 14th Amendment, has given rise to what Trump considers abuse of the immigration system. Trump told "Axios on HBO" that the U.S. is the only country in the world "where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Despite Trump's claim, the U.S. is not the only nation to have birthright citizenship, but the policy is rare outside of the Americas. Trump called birthright citizenship "ridiculous" and said that "it has to end."
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It is also subject to immediate Constitutional challenge under the 14th Amendment, and if the Supreme Court goes along with the EO it will go a long way in bastardizing the Supreme Court as nothing more than a political rubber stamp.
 
I question the constitutionalaity of this and I also question the use of executive orders considering the flack Obama got for it from Trump and others, but I do agree with changing the birthright laws. If neither parent is a citizen then the baby should also not be a citizen in my opinion. If one parent is a citizen then I’d support the child’s citizenship.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It is also subject to immediate Constitutional challenge under the 14th Amendment, and if the Supreme Court goes along with the EO it will go a long way in bastardizing the Supreme Court as nothing more than a political rubber stamp.
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The argument is the phrase "subject to the juristiction thereof" has never been defined by Congress or adjudicated by the courts.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It is also subject to immediate Constitutional challenge under the 14th Amendment, and if the Supreme Court goes along with the EO it will go a long way in bastardizing the Supreme Court as nothing more than a political rubber stamp.
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It also gives dems the power play they need to get rid of the second amendment, or at least, change it, but the idiot and his reactionary supporters have no foresight.
 
Sam_Troy said:
This is cotton pickin great news. It's time to finally end the abuse of the 14th Amendment by mainly third worlders who come here to drop babies on our sovereign soil which ends up putting a major burden on our natural born Citizen taxpayers and overall economy. The 14th Amendment was never meant for babies of foreign nationals born on our soil to become citizen. This will be an epic step in stopping the browning of America. I see our newly appointed Constitution originalist Supreme Court Justices, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, siding with our magnificent leader on this when it gets to the docket. This will be a win for President Trump and America, and the future for the people this country was specifically created for by the founders. See the Naturalization Act of 1790, the very first legislation by the first Congress to know who I'm talking about.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship

President Trump said in a newly released interview he plans to sign an executive order ending so-called "birthright citizenship" for babies of non-citizens born on U.S. soil -- a move that would mark a major overhaul of immigration policy and trigger an almost-certain legal battle.

Birthright citizenship allows any baby born on U.S. soil to automatically be a U.S. citizen.

The policy, which stems from a disputed but long-recognized interpretation of the 14th Amendment, has given rise to what Trump considers abuse of the immigration system. Trump told "Axios on HBO" that the U.S. is the only country in the world "where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Despite Trump's claim, the U.S. is not the only nation to have birthright citizenship, but the policy is rare outside of the Americas. Trump called birthright citizenship "ridiculous" and said that "it has to end."
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Not gonna happen. So much for that fantasy.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It is also subject to immediate Constitutional challenge under the 14th Amendment, and if the Supreme Court goes along with the EO it will go a long way in bastardizing the Supreme Court as nothing more than a political rubber stamp.
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Yeah, if they allow amendments to be ignored due to executive order, that's horrible precedent, and would tip the balance of power almost past the point of no return.
 
OrphanSlug said:
It is also subject to immediate Constitutional challenge under the 14th Amendment, and if the Supreme Court goes along with the EO it will go a long way in bastardizing the Supreme Court as nothing more than a political rubber stamp.
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Which is just what a right wing authoritarian like Trump wants in the end. We already have a Congress that has been castrated and now he wants SCOTUS to also be his lackeys and yes men.
 
Athanasius68 said:
The argument is the phrase "subject to the juristiction thereof" has never been defined by Congress or adjudicated by the courts.
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The father of the 14th Amendment, Rep. John Bingham, defined natural born Citizen as this:

https://naturalborncitizen.wordpres...rn-citizen-born-of-citizen-parents-in-the-us/

“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))

Then in 1866, Bingham also stated on the House floor:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

No other Representative ever took issue with these words on the floor of the House. If you read the Congressional Globe to study these debates, you will see that many of the underlying issues were hotly contested. However, Bingham’s definition of “natural born citizen” (born of citizen parents in the US) was never challenged on the floor of the House.
 
Athanasius68 said:
The argument is the phrase "subject to the juristiction thereof" has never been defined by Congress or adjudicated by the courts.
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They have no jurisdiction to change anything regarding their automatic citizenship as a US Citizen if the 14th clearly has made them citizens as it has done with very clear and precise language which has been in effect for over a century and a half.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Yes, those citizens are under the jurisdiction of the USA and states. But neither can change the citizenship the 14th grants them clearly.
 
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Sam_Troy said:
This is cotton pickin great news. It's time to finally end the abuse of the 14th Amendment by mainly third worlders who come here to drop babies on our sovereign soil which ends up putting a major burden on our natural born Citizen taxpayers and overall economy. The 14th Amendment was never meant for babies of foreign nationals born on our soil to become citizens. This will be an epic step in stopping the browning of America. I see our newly appointed Constitution originalist Supreme Court Justices, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, siding with our magnificent leader on this when it gets to the docket. This will be a win for President Trump and America, and the future for the people this country was specifically created for by the founders. See the Naturalization Act of 1790, the very first legislation by the first Congress to know who I'm talking about.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship

President Trump said in a newly released interview he plans to sign an executive order ending so-called "birthright citizenship" for babies of non-citizens born on U.S. soil -- a move that would mark a major overhaul of immigration policy and trigger an almost-certain legal battle.

Birthright citizenship allows any baby born on U.S. soil to automatically be a U.S. citizen.

The policy, which stems from a disputed but long-recognized interpretation of the 14th Amendment, has given rise to what Trump considers abuse of the immigration system. Trump told "Axios on HBO" that the U.S. is the only country in the world "where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits."

Despite Trump's claim, the U.S. is not the only nation to have birthright citizenship, but the policy is rare outside of the Americas. Trump called birthright citizenship "ridiculous" and said that "it has to end."
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I didn't realize that a president has the authority to overrule the U.S. Constitution. This is amazing, because the same people applauding this action would have been appalled if President Obama unilaterally nullified a constitutional right.

What I was taught in grade school is that the only way to change the constitution was through the amendment process. Silly grade school teachers.

So, what other constitutional rights will be put on the chopping block? Oh, I know. Freedom of the Press.

While you assert, "The 14th Amendment was never meant for babies of foreign nationals born on our soil to become citizens," the courts disagree with your legal conclusion:

In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the United States Supreme Court ruled 6–2 that a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese nationality who at the time had a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and were carrying on business there but not as employees of the Chinese government, automatically became a U.S. citizen
 
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doesn't the 14th amendment state:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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All persons born in the USA are citizens of the USA and the state in which they reside.

Pretty sure that cannot be annulled by an executive order, that sounds like hogwash/nonsense/Trumpspeak falsehoods.
 
haymarket said:
Which is just what a right wing authoritarian like Trump wants in the end. We already have a Congress that has been castrated and now he wants SCOTUS to also be his lackeys and yes men.
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You know what? I think this has been the quietest Congress has ever been on a break. Where the hell are they?
 
More red meat for the angry rubes in the Trump's cult.

Won't pass constitutional muster.
 
haymarket said:
They have no jurisdiction to change anything regarding their automatic citizenship as a US Citizen if the 14th clearly has made them citizens as it has done with very clear and precise language which has been in effect for over a century and a half.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Yes, those citizens are under the jurisdiction of the USA and states. But neither can change the citizenship the 14th grants them clearly.
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If the amendment stopped at "born and naturalized in the United States" that would be a fair. But it it doesnt. It adds the additional standard.

Congress defines citizenship laws, so I dont see why they couldnt define that last piece as they wish.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You know what? I think this has been the quietest Congress has ever been on a break. Where the hell are they?
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Doing the only thing they really truly care about and their highest possible priority - saving their own sorry asses.
 
Peter King said:
doesn't the 14th amendment state:



All persons born in the USA are citizens of the USA and the state in which they reside.

Pretty sure that cannot be annulled by an executive order, that sounds like hogwash/nonsense/Trumpspeak falsehoods.
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It also states subject to the juristiction of the USA.
 
Athanasius68 said:
If the amendment stopped at "born and naturalized in the United States" that would be a fair. But it it doesnt. It adds the additional standard.

Congress defines citizenship laws, so I dont see why they couldnt define that last piece as they wish.
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Because that would contradict and negate the grant of citizenship the 14th clearly bestows. Yes, they are under the jurisdiction of the USA and states. But that does NOT mean the grant of citizenship can be negated since the Constitution clearly has granted it.
 
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