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Gay men reportedly attacked by knife-wielding, slur-yelling couple

Yes, and then the first thing he did was to ban transgender folks from the military, via tweet. Yes, you go on thinking that trump is a great friend of the LGBTQ community, my friend. Whatever gets you to sleep at night :(
Perhaps the purpose of the military is to function as a fighting machine rather than a social justice organization.
 
Perhaps the purpose of the military is to function as a fighting machine rather than a social justice organization.

Yeah, because the trans folks that bravely fight alongside their brave brothers and sisters in the military don't deserve our respect and gratitude.

Please.
 
Woodward has Trump on tape saying that he knowingly "provokes rage in people".

Well he does..and this...and Sayoc and Bowers,and the Kroger Killer say that he's right
 
Yeah, because the trans folks that bravely fight alongside their brave brothers and sisters in the military don't deserve our respect and gratitude.

Please.
Yeah well first we are talking about an estimated 2500 people in a 1.3 million person military. Men and women are physiologically different. No amount of surgery will change that. When a commander needs a 75 lb box of munitions loaded or an 80 pound back pack carried it needs to be done or lives may be put at risk. Gender dysphoria is a medical condition. The army has a whole list of medical conditions that will disqualify you from military service. For example anorexia nervosa will disqualify you. In the end its is about combat readiness not social justice.
 
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Woodward has Trump on tape saying that he knowingly "provokes rage in people".

Well he does..and this...and Sayoc and Bowers,and the Kroger Killer say that he's right

Rage comes from both sides

June 2016:

– Protesters jumped on cars, stole hats, fought with and threw eggs at Trump supporters outside a Trump rally in downtown San Jose, Calif. Trump supporters sued San Jose over the violence.

July 2016:

-A Hillary Clinton supporter lights a flag on fire and attacks a Trump supporter in Pittsburgh.

August 2016:

-Anti-Trump protesters attacked pushed, spit on and verbally harassed attendees forced to walk a “gauntlet” as they left a Trump fundraiser in Minneapolis, Minn., and beat an elderly man. Protesters also attacked Trump’s motorcade.

–A Tennessee man was assaulted at a garage sale for being a Trump supporter.

-A Trump supporter in New Jersey was attacked with a crowbar on the street.

September 2016:

-Protesters in El Cajon, Calif., chased and beat up a Trump supporter.

October 2016:

-A GOP office in North Carolina was firebombed and spray painted with “Nazi Republicans get out of town or else.”

November 2016:

-A high school student was attacked after she wrote that she supported Trump on social media. The perpetrator ripped her glasses off and punched her in the face.

-The president of Cornell University’s College Republicans was assaulted the night after Trump won the election.

-Students protesting Trump punched and kicked a Maryland high school student wearing a Make America Great Again hat.

-A high school student was arrested in Florida after he punched a classmate for carrying a Trump sign at school.

-A group of black men in Chicago attacked a white man while raging against Trump.

-Maryland high school students punched a student who was demonstrating in support of Trump, and then kicked him repeatedly while he was on the ground.

-“You support Trump. You hate Mexicans,” a California high school student yelled at a Trump supporter, before viciously beating the girl.

-An anti-bullying ambassador was arrested for shoving a 74-year-old man to the ground in a fight outside Trump tower where people upset over his win had gathered. The woman tied to Black Lives Matter caused the man to hit his head on the sidewalk.

-A Texas elementary school student was beaten by his classmates for voting for Trump in a mock election.

-Two men punched and kicked a Connecticut man who was standing with an American flag and a Trump sign.

December 2016:

-A Trump supporter was beaten and dragged by a car.

January 2017:

-A Trump supporter was knocked unconscious after airport protesters repeatedly beat him on the head.

-A Trump supporter was attacked after putting out a fire started by anti-Trump protesters.

-When Trump protesters encountered a driver with a pro-Trump flag on his car, they surrounded the vehicle, ripped off and began burning the flag, and pounded the car. They also punctured the tires.

February 2017:

-California GOP Rep. Tom McClintock had to be escorted to his car after a town hall because of angry protesters. The tires of at least four vehicles were slashed.

-Protesters knocked a 71-year-old female staffer for California GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher unconscious during a protest outside the representative’s office.

-Milo Yiannopoulos speech at the University of California-Berkeley was cancelled after rioters set the campus on fire and threw rocks through windows. Milo tweeted that one of his supporters wearing a Trump hat was thrown to the ground and kicked.
 
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March 2017:

-Masked protesters at Middlebury College rushed AEI scholar and political scientist Charles Murray and professor Allison Stranger, pushing and shoving Murray and grabbing Stranger by her hair and twisting her neck as they were leaving a campus building. Stranger suffered a concussion. Protesters then surrounded the car they got into, rocking it back and forth and jumping on the hood. April 2017:

-A parade in Portland, Ore.,was canceled after threats of violence were made against a Republican organization.

-Fears of violent protests shut down Ann Coulter’s UC Berkeley speech. Campus police had gathered intel on protesters who were planning to commit violence.



May 2017:

– Republican Rep. Tom Garrett, his family and his dog were targeted by a series of repeated death threats deemed credible by authorities.

-FBI agents arrested a person for threatening to shoot Republican Rep. Martha McSally over her support for Trump.

-Police in Tennessee charged a woman for allegedly trying to run Republican Rep. David Kustoff off the road.

-Police in North Dakota ejected a man after he became physical with Republican Rep. Kevin Cramer at a town hall.

-A former professor was arrested after police said they identified him on video beating Trump supporters with a U-shaped bike lock, leaving three people with “significant injuries.”





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June 2017:

-James Hodgkinson opened fire on a congressional GOP baseball practice, injuring five, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise.

-Republican Rep. Claudia Tenney received an email threat that read, “One down, 216 to go,” shortly after the shooting at the Republican congressional baseball practice.

-A man driving a white Malibu reportedly fired several shots at a man driving a truck displaying a “Make America Great Again” flag in Indiana.

assaulting a female staffer in President Donald Trump’s administration. The liberal operative allegedly shoved the woman, a press secretary for Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, to the floor as he chased after Zinke.

Same Male Democratic operative allegedly assaults Trump campaign manager

That same American Bridge operative, Wilfred Stark, was arrested Tuesday for allegedly chasing and assaulting Nevada gubernatorial nominee Adam Laxalt’s campaign manager. Stark was charged with battery for the attack, which left the woman bruised, as well as “terrified and traumatized.” (RELATED: Trump Allies Face H2018

Eight Violent Attacks On Republicans Just This Year

switchblade attack attempt

California congressional candidate Rudy Peters, who is challenging Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell, narrowly escaped a stabbing attempt in September. Peters’ attacker, Farzad Fazeli, shouted disparaging remarks about Republicans before attempting to stab the GOP candidate with a switchblade, police said.

Male Democratic operative allegedly assaults female Trump staffer

An operative with Democratic political group American Bridge was arrested in March for arassment, Protests Anywhere They Show Their Faces) A Republican Party office in Laramie, Wyoming, was set on fire

A Republican Party office in Laramie, Wyoming, was set on fire just days after opening in September. Police said the fire appeared to have been intentional, though they have not yet arrested any suspects.

Vandals throw brick through window of Nebraska GOP office

Vandals in July threw a brick through the window of the Nebraska Republican Party’s headquarters. Republican staffers found a spray-painted message beneath the broken window: “ABOLISH ICE.” (RELATED: Public School Teachers Lead Violent Antifa Group)

Minnesota state GOP candidate says she was chased by property-destroying anarchist

Minnesota state Rep. Sarah Anderson said she was attacked on Sunday after calling out a man who has kicking over campaign yard signs. “I said, ‘You can’t do this!’ And he said, ‘Yes, I can, I’m an anarchist! I can do whatever I want!’ And I said, ‘No, you can’t, that’s not your property,'” Anderson said, adding that the man chased her into the street and told her to kill herself.

Minnesota state GOP candidate says he was assaulted, concussed by politically motivated assailant

Another Minnesota Republican, state Rep. Shane Mekeland, said he received a concussion on Oct. 12 when he was assaulted by a man he believed was politically motivated. “While I had never met my assailant, the words he yelled at me before he attacked lead me to believe his actions were politically motivated,” Mekeland said in a statement Sunday, adding that the police are investigating.

Windows of New York GOP office smashed, warning left

Vandals in New York smashed the windows of the Metropolitan Republican Club on Oct. 11 and left graffiti warnings. The perpetrators left behind anarchist graffiti and a warning: “Our attack is merely a beginning.”

The above listed physical attacks are in addition to an onslaught of harassment and death threats that Republican politicians and their staffers have faced in the Trump era. (RELATED: GOP Congressman Says He Received More Death Threats In 2017 Than Every Other Year Combined)

Three Republican senators were doxxed by a House Democratic staffer during the Sept. 27 confirmation hearing for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

Republican Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and other prominent Republicans have been harassed and chased out of restaurants.

The home addresses and other personal information of Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Mike Lee and Orrin Hatch of Utah were posted to Wikipedia shortly after each spoke at the hearing.

Republican Colorado Sen. Cory Gardner’s family was also doxxed and someone sent Gardner’s wife a graphic video of a beheading.
 
Woodward has Trump on tape saying that he knowingly "provokes rage in people".

Well he does..and this...and Sayoc and Bowers,and the Kroger Killer say that he's right
Yeah, its not like the Left has rage issues of its own. Oh wait, whats this??

 
Sounds like you're making the case for a pre-crime. That's even less intelligent than saying killing isn't as bad depending on what flavor of crazy you are.

You need to understand what a motive is. It is not the same thing as a crime committed nor the mental faculties, or lack thereof, of the criminal.
 
Trump World!

Where violence is applauded....

Maybe Trump will have these two to the White House since most NFL and NBA players will not go.

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They seem like lovely people.

Who are they?
 
Not exactly, but I do think that recidivism rates are highly related to motive. Obviously, if one is prone to making a violent attack simply because they encoutered someone different from them that ups the recidivism odds considerably.

We diverge here. Recidivism is related to motives certainly, but I think that when a violent crime is based on the victim's perceived or actual identity, which is almost always a minority identity, that the criminal should be punished more severely. It's a function of the way that minorities have and will always be treated in the US and the best (so far) way that the state must try to protect them.
 
If you don't think trump's hateful rhetoric is a least part of the problem - the emboldening of nutjobs like this lovely couple in the OP, and you, yourself are part of the problem as well.

Welcome to the wrong side of history, m'lady :(

I've never known Trump to utter one negative word about Gay people.

Try again.

ETA: But thank you for attempting to make the original poster's lame point.

Oh Trump... sssdd.
 
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And some like you wonder why nobody takes the left seriously anymore...

But Mateo will applaud ya. After all, this is the underlying theme of his thread.

Kal'Stang made a decent point that I took the wrong way last night. Apparently I'm supposed to lead people into what I want them to say because a lot of DP members can't think for themselves. Those are my words, not his, and I do, a day later, accept his comment.

So let me clarify for your absent comprehension. I didn't say a word about 45. Look at who ran straight under his skirt hem like you folks always do.

The theme of the thread, which I did not intend to be "underlying" is that violence against strangers has always been a problem for civilized humans. That violence often relates not to a physiological need, e.g., scarcity of food, comfort, interaction, etc., but to the perpetrator's dislike of the victim's existence or identity. So, because I know you need things explained to you slowly and in small words, trix, these incidents of violence concern me. See my OP about a recent example. Now leave the discussion to the grown ups.
 
The false equivalency that Trumpers thrive on fails miserably here.

Street fights between right and left wing hooligans is nowhere near the same as attacking minorities.

We just had 11 people gunned down in a SYNAGOGUE for God's sake
 
That is about vengeance, not justice. Let's put the shoe on the other foot to show why.

If someone beats the crap out of a neo-nazi card carrying stormfront member JUST BECAUSE they are a neo-nazi card carrying stromfront member should that someone be given extra time in prison just because they targeted the identity of the victim?

Most people would say "no". Some might claim that being a neo-nazi card carrying stormfront member isn't a protected class, others will simply say "no" because neo-nazi card carrying stormfronters are assholes and deserve what they get. But in the end, both a gay person, and that neo-nazi card carrying stormfronter were targeted because of their identity. Both are equally horrible in concept (being attacked just because of ones identity). Yet with hate crime law only one is subject to extra prison time. That shows that hate crime legislation is in fact unequal in treatment under the law. Which is unconstitutional. And its morally reprehensible.

I fundamentally disagree with you. In fact, you display not a drop of understanding about minority identity. Vengeance is not a term that has influenced the promulgation of anti-discrimination legislation. There are classes of people who, because of the fraught construction of American society, cannot exist equally without explicit protection from governments. I can continue, but I fear our time will be wasted.
 
opinion noted-I don't share it. if someone attacks me violently and succeeds, I hope he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law but I don't see someone bashing my head to get my car keys as being less evil than someone who coshes me because he doesn't like a Star of David or a Christian Cross on my car. And if I am able to defend-I am not going to shoot him less or stab him more gently because he only wants to steal my wallet when he starts swinging at me. The punishments against violent crimes are generally sufficient. Hate crime laws are not designed to deter assholes, but to pander to voting constituencies

See, the only way you could type something like that is because you have never spent a significant moment of your life as a minority. Lost cause. Majority privilege. Uncaring to understand. Whatever we want to call it today.
 
The government should not be in the business of criminally punishing opinions, no matter how vile.

Philosophically you're probably right. Here in the real world, minorities get killed, denied services, and excluded from the benefits of organized society without intervention by the state. See all of history.
 
See, the only way you could type something like that is because you have never spent a significant moment of your life as a minority. Lost cause. Majority privilege. Uncaring to understand. Whatever we want to call it today.

what is a minority? Do you hurt more because someone beats you up because you are gay versus because they don't like the fact you have a Trump sticker on your car?
 
Perhaps the purpose of the military is to function as a fighting machine rather than a social justice organization.

Perhaps you're not in any position to tell transgender people that they're unfit to serve in armed forces. Why stop at the military? They probably can't cook, teach, operate, or build either.
 
I've never known Trump to utter one negative word about Gay people.

Try again.

ETA: But thank you for attempting to make the original poster's lame point.

Oh Trump... sssdd.

You're not making any sense, my love. Get some sleep and try again? Sweet dreams and talk to you soon?
 
Kal'Stang made a decent point that I took the wrong way last night. Apparently I'm supposed to lead people into what I want them to say because a lot of DP members can't think for themselves. Those are my words, not his, and I do, a day later, accept his comment.

So let me clarify for your absent comprehension. I didn't say a word about 45. Look at who ran straight under his skirt hem like you folks always do.

The theme of the thread, which I did not intend to be "underlying" is that violence against strangers has always been a problem for civilized humans. That violence often relates not to a physiological need, e.g., scarcity of food, comfort, interaction, etc., but to the perpetrator's dislike of the victim's existence or identity. So, because I know you need things explained to you slowly and in small words, trix, these incidents of violence concern me. See my OP about a recent example. Now leave the discussion to the grown ups.

Let me just say this... go back to my comment where Lurch jumped on me for being on the "wrong side of history," a comment you agreed with and then try again to convince me that you made this thread for NO other reason make Trump complicit in violence against Gays and bash his supporters.

IF, you would just for once, drop your anger and reply to people without thinking that you are smarter than them, I'd regain lost respect for you.
I don't need to brag about my higher education but if push comes to shove I will gladly compare mine to yours any day of the week. Your problem is that you lack the ability to convey your message without arrogance. I hope you never have the opportunity to teach others IRL because you have failed miserably here.

Now go ahead, and report me.
 
Woodward has Trump on tape saying that he knowingly "provokes rage in people".

Well he does..and this...and Sayoc and Bowers,and the Kroger Killer say that he's right

Yeah, I didn't mean to fall down that rabbit hole, but two things. The president is definitely, undeniably a contributor to the violence and attempted violence we experience today. So are a million other people for as long as we've all been alive. Also, regardless of the dumb **** temporarily soiling the WH, violent hate crimes must continue to be publicized and discussed because they will continue to increase in occurrences otherwise.
 
You're not making any sense, my love. Get some sleep and try again? Sweet dreams and talk to you soon?

I don't stay up all night bashing people who are pro-GAY like you did.
Want to try and take your own advice, "my love?"

The very implication, (yours), that I am ANTI-GAY and also a supporter of Trump's policies is the height of ignorance.
I do not accept your dime-store criticisms that Trump's rhetoric, often very brash, provoked the aforementioned attack on two Gay men.

I've relatives who are gay and I do not think of them any differently than my own children.
 
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a little tip for you mateomtnclimber.

When you make a thread and want the topic to be about something specific mention that in the op. You left your op generalized and up to other posters in the direction that the thread was going to take. If you want your thread to be about hate crimes then at least mention "hate crimes". If you want your thread to be about knives, then at least mention knives. If you want your thread to be about unicorns, then at least mention unicorns.

Point being, when you start a thread direct the thread in the direction that you want it to go. Do not assume that others know why you posted the thread. Tell them why you posted the thread. But if you're going to post generalized op's, like you did here....don't get upset when the thread does not go the direction that you wanted it to be.

Thanks!!!!
 
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