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Khashoggi murder: Crown prince vows to punish 'culprits'

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The Saudi crown prince has vowed to punish all the "culprits" responsible for the murder of writer Jamal Khashoggi in Turkey.Speaking at a business forum in Riyadh, Mohammed bin Salman said "the crime was painful to all Saudis" but he would never allow any rift with Turkey.

The Saudis have previously denied accusations that the prince, the de facto ruler, had a role in the killing.

Khashoggi died during a 2 October visit to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

The Saudi government has blamed the murder on "rogue agents".
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45968185

The Crown Prince must think the rest of the world is as pants on head stupid as Trump is.

Who in their right mind doesn't look at this entire situation and reach the conclusion it was state sanctioned murder of a critic of the Regime.
 
Jetboogieman said:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45968185

The Crown Prince must think the rest of the world is as pants on head stupid as Trump is.

Who in their right mind doesn't look at this entire situation and reach the conclusion it was state sanctioned murder of a critic of the Regime.
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Who in their right mind actually cares? Full on Jihadi who mourned the death of Bin Laden? not saying he deserved the bone-saw treatment, but playing with Jihad is dangerous, the media has already moved on because no one cares a Jihadi was sent to his 72 virgins. Someone will get punished and the world will move on because the Saudis are our allies and the guy they killed is not some "liberal reformer" and we'll tell them next time Salman wants to ice someone call mossad and have it done right.
 
Crown prince vows to punish 'culprits'
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after he does that, he should go help OJ find the real killers.
 
Jetboogieman said:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45968185

The Crown Prince must think the rest of the world is as pants on head stupid as Trump is.

Who in their right mind doesn't look at this entire situation and reach the conclusion it was state sanctioned murder of a critic of the Regime.
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The crown prince probably figures that Trump will go along with it. He'll execute the guys who did the deed. Trump will tweet about what a great guy the prince is and it will all blow over.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Who in their right mind actually cares?
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One doesn't have had to know him very well, really care all that much about his specific life to not see the massive implications of something like this being done, the way it was done.

A regime, used a Diplomatic Mission in a foreign country as a site to murder a critic of its government, the Saudis have also kidnapped and repatriated other critics of the regime back to Saudi.

These acts cannot be tolerated in a civilized world and it doesn't matter what you think of the guy, there are bigger implications than just about him.

What other countries should be tolerated to do such acts?

Full on Jihadi who mourned the death of Bin Laden.
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These talking points seem to be nothing more than excuses for Trumps inability to condemn and react appropriately to this situation.

Americas always been in bed with the Saudis doing the hokey pokey, but holy **** in a hand bucket could Trump handle this any worse?

I only expect his sycophants that kiss the very ground he walks on to think otherwise, people capable of thinking, know otherwise.
 
Jetboogieman said:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45968185

The Crown Prince must think the rest of the world is as pants on head stupid as Trump is.

Who in their right mind doesn't look at this entire situation and reach the conclusion it was state sanctioned murder of a critic of the Regime.
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As predicted, nothing significant comes of this.

It was a prudent move on Trump's part. I expect that someone on his team explained it to him in no uncertain terms.

I'd have expected exactly the same from Obama, or either Clinton, and obviously from the Bushes, being oil men in the finest tradition.

Maybe another round of Turkish brinkmanship, and we can get the last of this under the rug.

Maybe they found his genitalia in the prince's pocket or something.
 
Not sure who is the worse perjurer ..... Mohammed bin Salman about Istanbul or Vladimir Putin about Salisbury.

They're both liars and psychopaths. Yet Trump likes them.
 
WillyPete said:
As predicted, nothing significant comes of this.

It was a prudent move on Trump's part. I expect that someone on his team explained it to him in no uncertain terms.

I'd have expected exactly the same from Obama, or either Clinton, and obviously from the Bushes, being oil men in the finest tradition.

Maybe another round of Turkish brinkmanship, and we can get the last of this under the rug.

Maybe they found his genitalia in the prince's pocket or something.
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This event has been hugely significant re the ME power structure as well as with-in SA.
 
Jetboogieman said:
One doesn't have had to know him very well, really care all that much about his specific life to not see the massive implications of something like this being done, the way it was done.

A regime, used a Diplomatic Mission in a foreign country as a site to murder a critic of its government, the Saudis have also kidnapped and repatriated other critics of the regime back to Saudi.

These acts cannot be tolerated in a civilized world and it doesn't matter what you think of the guy, there are bigger implications than just about him.

What other countries should be tolerated to do such acts?



These talking points seem to be nothing more than excuses for Trumps inability to condemn and react appropriately to this situation.

Americas always been in bed with the Saudis doing the hokey pokey, but holy **** in a hand bucket could Trump handle this any worse?

I only expect his sycophants that kiss the very ground he walks on to think otherwise, people capable of thinking, know otherwise.
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The diplomatic mission is part of Saudi Arabia, the man was a Saudi National killed by the Saudi government, just like Obama droned that nutjob Imam who was inciting terror in the US who happened to be American. When you're saying "these acts cannot be tolerated in the civilized world" well except acts far worse are, all the time. Maybe you just have a problem that brown people killed someone.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This event has been hugely significant re the ME power structure as well as with-in SA.
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Fair enough. I was speaking in terms of the US reaction, as there were widespread calls for Trump to do something directly in response.

My takeaway from the OP article is that the prince has maintained his plausible deniability.

Out of curiosity, what significant changes do you anticipate within SA or the ME from this? Seems like less of a revelation to them that SA is run by murderous thugs.
 
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He's going to execute himself is he?

Interesting.
 
bearpoker said:
The crown prince probably figures that Trump will go along with it. He'll execute the guys who did the deed. Trump will tweet about what a great guy the prince is and it will all blow over.
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Yup....



To be fair: so would any US president. Until we build up renewables such that we're sufficient in the long-term, the Saudis wield real power over us. Every president has known that.
 
Jetboogieman said:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45968185

The Crown Prince must think the rest of the world is as pants on head stupid as Trump is.

Who in their right mind doesn't look at this entire situation and reach the conclusion it was state sanctioned murder of a critic of the Regime.
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Money runs the USA gov't and the Saudis have money, so whatever they say will have unvarnished approval from the domestic scumbags right here in the righteous, Christian, ol' USA, the moral and ethical yardstick for the Western World. Home of the four foot yardstick and the alternative facts. What could possibly go wrong?
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WillyPete said:
Fair enough. I was speaking in terms of the US reaction, as there were widespread calls for Trump to do something directly in response.

My takeaway from the OP article is that the Prince has maintained his plausible deniability.

Out of curiosity, what significant changes do you anticipate within SA or the ME from this? Seems like less of a revelation to them that SA is run by murderous thugs.
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THis is a complicated situation and there is a lot we dont know, but so far this looks like more of Russia winning and ofAmerica losing....more of America being chased out of the ME which started with our gross incompetence over long periods of time and was bolstered with Russia's surprising to the West willingness to stake a claim and then competence too.

Re the internals of SA I do believe that the Crown Prince is right that the kingdom is in great danger, I have been saying that for quite of few years, and I also believe that the Kingdom has no choice but to replace this proven incompetent Crown Prince....he is not up to the job.
 
Jetboogieman said:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45968185

The Crown Prince must think the rest of the world is as pants on head stupid as Trump is.

Who in their right mind doesn't look at this entire situation and reach the conclusion it was state sanctioned murder of a critic of the Regime.
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So what? He maybe considering ritual suicide.
 
Jetboogieman said:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45968185

The Crown Prince must think the rest of the world is as pants on head stupid as Trump is.

Who in their right mind doesn't look at this entire situation and reach the conclusion it was state sanctioned murder of a critic of the Regime.
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They will probably be tortured into admitting it was all their plan, and they were plotting to eventually kill the prince himself. I saw this coming.
 
bearpoker said:
The crown prince probably figures that Trump will go along with it. He'll execute the guys who did the deed. Trump will tweet about what a great guy the prince is and it will all blow over.
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I don't have much doubt that the Saudis will say that there have been executions. Mr. Trump will believe them if they do.

I don't have much doubt that the Saudis will say that the people that they say they have executed were the people who murdered Mr. Khashoggi. Mr. Trump will believe them if they do.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I don't have much doubt that the Saudis will say that there have been executions. Mr. Trump will believe them if they do.

I don't have much doubt that the Saudis will say that the people that they say they have executed were the people who murdered Mr. Khashoggi. Mr. Trump will believe them if they do.
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I suppose it's possible that the Saudis might claim to execute them and really give them some sort of "witness protection" treatment. Given the pressure that they're under, it's also possible that there will be a public execution on live national television.
 
The condemned in KSA are beheaded on Friday at Deera "chop-chop" Square in Riyadh. It's very public.

Usually a blindfold/hood will be affixed before the condemned kneels down.

Afterward, the severed head is haphazardly stitched back onto the body and the bloody mess is wrapped in linen and placed in a wooden coffin for burial facing Mecca.

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Drain in Deera Square
 
bearpoker said:
I suppose it's possible that the Saudis might claim to execute them and really give them some sort of "witness protection" treatment. Given the pressure that they're under, it's also possible that there will be a public execution on live national television.
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Which doesn't actually increase the odds that the people "found guilty" and executed were actually the people who did the murder.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The diplomatic mission is part of Saudi Arabia, the man was a Saudi National killed by the Saudi government, just like Obama droned that nutjob Imam who was inciting terror in the US who happened to be American. When you're saying "these acts cannot be tolerated in the civilized world" well except acts far worse are, all the time. Maybe you just have a problem that brown people killed someone.
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Not even close.... :roll:

The American citizen was inciting acts of terror against men, women and children from a foreign nation.

Did Khashoggi do anything similar?

The Saudis violated any civilized definition of a diplomatic mission by luring Khashoggi there and using an in and out hit squad.

The Crowned Prince is more like Putin killing those who criticize the government or leadership. Not killing those working openly to murder civilians but 'dare' to critize despots and petty tyrants.

This shows the world several things- first the Saudis are not 'dear friends and allies' but rather ruthless petty tyrants who will quickly abandon us if a better deal comes their way or we don't look the other way as they murder civilians at will. Second Trump and his crew do believe in appeasement to keep short term financial gains coming. Petty tyrants around the world now have the calculus- 'do we have something Trump wants bad enough to ignore our human rights abuse?'

This ain't about being mad brown people kill brown people- it's petty tyrants getting the green light to murder at will if they buy- MADE IN THE USA... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Not even close.... :roll:

The American citizen was inciting acts of terror against men, women and children from a foreign nation.

Did Khashoggi do anything similar?

The Saudis violated any civilized definition of a diplomatic mission by luring Khashoggi there and using an in and out hit squad.

The Crowned Prince is more like Putin killing those who criticize the government or leadership. Not killing those working openly to murder civilians but 'dare' to critize despots and petty tyrants.

This shows the world several things- first the Saudis are not 'dear friends and allies' but rather ruthless petty tyrants who will quickly abandon us if a better deal comes their way or we don't look the other way as they murder civilians at will. Second Trump and his crew do believe in appeasement to keep short term financial gains coming. Petty tyrants around the world now have the calculus- 'do we have something Trump wants bad enough to ignore our human rights abuse?'

This ain't about being mad brown people kill brown people- it's petty tyrants getting the green light to murder at will if they buy- MADE IN THE USA... :peace
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For some reason the person you responded to appears not to be able to tell the difference between "I hate my country and want to destroy it." (the ISISISISDAESHWHATEVER whack job) and "I love my country and want to improve it." (Mr. Khashoggi). They also don't appear able to be able to tell the difference between "We are a country with a government that is responsible to the people and which follows the normal rules of law." (the USA) and "We are an absolute monarchy with a government composed of a hereditary aristocracy that listens only to itself and can do whatever we feel like doing." (Saudi Arabia).

Until you grasp those incredibly subtle differences in shading it is impossible to actually discuss whether torturing and murdering someone is "wrong".
 
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