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Trump’s embrace of a fraught term — ‘nationalist’ — could cement a dangerous racial divide

Trump’s embrace of a fraught term — ‘nationalist’ — could cement a dangerous racial divide

“A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly, not caring about our country so much. And you know what? We can’t have that,” Trump said at a rally in Texas. “You know, they have a word — it’s sort of became old-fashioned — it’s called a ‘nationalist.' And I say, really, we’re not supposed to use that word. You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word. Use that word.”​

From bashing minorities as well as immigrant to faux displays of actually hugging the flag to pumping fear as red meat and protectionists ideals. Yep, trump is a nationalist. "Globalist" is the modern right-wing term for "Jew" so this comes as no surprise he thew that dog whistle along with declaring his white supremacy ideals. I give Trump kudos for once in his life telling the truth. He's a nationalist. I expect his sheep to all declare themselves nationalists now.

Trump then proceeded to conflate "nationalism" with "patriotism" which is a load of crap. Trump and his ilk are nationalists and couldn't possibly give a damn about the country. Just controlling power.

There you go nationalist deplorables. Line up to kiss trumps ass and declare your nationalists fealty to dear leader.

I think Trump is using the term 'nationalism' here in a very effective way. Patriotism means that you'd still love the country if it became culturally like Guatemala. Nationalism says no - we will not run our country like Guatemala runs theirs. If one isn't a Nationalist, then one accepts that the US would be just as good if it became like Guatemala.

Since hardly any of us would move ourselves or our families to Guatemala, this means we have a superior view, a nationalist view, of where we live. Trump is a genius.
 
Well of course he is. I'm sure his advisors have pointed out that the racist vote was one of the primary reasons he was elected.

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters


Trump is very clear about his racism, and the racists love him for it:

Neo-Nazis Praise Trump's Response to Charlottesville: 'He Said He Loves Us All'


This is just another example.

You have a clear point here, however there is a dynamic that we need to be aware of. Over the past 20 years, the democrats have increasingly painted white people as demons in order to garner sympathy for minorities, their voting base. Slanted and fake news has increased the volume against white people. White women, even with the correct body parts that democrats love, have seen their husbands and sons demonized. White women voted Trump in spite of how sexist he is. Why? Because race supersedes sex in the human psyche.

Minorities, as far as their racial classification, exist only because there is another race that can be blamed for all their problems - white people.

Democrats blame whites, then expect whites to vote for them. It's true that some white democrat votes come from pity for other races, but there is a limit, and we see this with Trump's election. The race garbage - based on white demonization - was turned up to 11 during Obama's presidency. Race is a very dangerous thing to play with.

Then again, using race is very effective politically for the most part - democrats just overplayed their hand a bit. They can still blame white people like they've always had, but just not be so intense about it.
 
You have a clear point here, however there is a dynamic that we need to be aware of. Over the past 20 years, the democrats have increasingly painted white people as demons in order to garner sympathy for minorities, their voting base.

Can you provide reputable sources showing this is the platform of he Democratic party? Or where their leadership is repeatedly and knowingly demonizing white people? Thank you in advance.

Slanted and fake news has increased the volume against white people.

You're going to need reputable sources for this claim as well. (I'm only considering your statement in regards to reputable sources, not wacky sources.)

White women, even with the correct body parts that democrats love, have seen their husbands and sons demonized.

That will happen when their sons and husbands are racists.

White women voted Trump in spite of how sexist he is. Why?

Well, if we're going by reality, ie numerous studies published in peer reviewed journals, then a lot of it had to do with racism and fear.

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters

As well, the bible tells women to be subservient, and a lot of Trump supporters are Evangelical/Fundametal Christians.

Because race supersedes sex in the human psyche.

The research says racism was one of the driving forces. So I take it you agree with the research?

Minorities, as far as their racial classification, exist only because there is another race that can be blamed for all their problems - white people.

Huh? That makes no sense, please provide reputable sources.



Honestly, it sounds like you're just pulling a bunch of "facts" out of your butt. I would be really interested in seeing reputable sources confirming your assertions, and will wait for those so we can have a discussion based in reality.
 
That's self-contradictory. And, know that all statists are nationalists by default, including you.

That's not what those words mean.
 
Can you provide reputable sources showing this is the platform of he Democratic party? Or where their leadership is repeatedly and knowingly demonizing white people? Thank you in advance.



You're going to need reputable sources for this claim as well. (I'm only considering your statement in regards to reputable sources, not wacky sources.)



That will happen when their sons and husbands are racists.



Well, if we're going by reality, ie numerous studies published in peer reviewed journals, then a lot of it had to do with racism and fear.

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters

As well, the bible tells women to be subservient, and a lot of Trump supporters are Evangelical/Fundametal Christians.



The research says racism was one of the driving forces. So I take it you agree with the research?



Huh? That makes no sense, please provide reputable sources.



Honestly, it sounds like you're just pulling a bunch of "facts" out of your butt. I would be really interested in seeing reputable sources confirming your assertions, and will wait for those so we can have a discussion based in reality.

Demonizing white people is easily understood. Why do democrats think that brown people should vote for them? As long as you don't use white racism in the answer, then I would agree that whites are not demonized by the left. I don't think it's so much being racist against blacks, otherwise Obama would not have been elected - twice. I think what whites are the most upset about is being used by the left as demons, as the cause of minority ills.

Can the democrat party lure minority voters without the mention of white people? If so, then my theory holds less water.
 
I think Trump is using the term 'nationalism' here in a very effective way. Patriotism means that you'd still love the country if it became culturally like Guatemala. Nationalism says no - we will not run our country like Guatemala runs theirs. If one isn't a Nationalist, then one accepts that the US would be just as good if it became like Guatemala.

Since hardly any of us would move ourselves or our families to Guatemala, this means we have a superior view, a nationalist view, of where we live. Trump is a genius.

Patriots love their country, because that's where they were born. Nationalists hate everyone else's.
 
Patriots love their country, because that's where they were born. Nationalists hate everyone else's.

Close.

"Patriots" love their country (even if they have adopted it), want to ensure that it is actually what it holds itself out to be, and will resist any efforts to turn it into what it holds itself out as NOT being - even if that means opposing their own government.

"Nationalists" love their country (even if they have adopted it), will support it when it is being what it is held out to be, and will make excuses for it when it isn't.

"Jingoists" love their country (even if they have adopted it) and are unanimous in their position that ANYTHING that their country does is just wonderful because their country is better than any other country in the world and has the right to conquer any country that doesn't admit that.
 
Both parties believe Govt. should serve Americans, the difference is which group of Americans need serving most. The GOP believes the wealthy and powerful are to be served first and Democrats feel the middle class and the poor are most in need of help. Which group are you in?

The Dems clearly don't believe that the middle class and poor are in the most need of help. Just look at how Clinton went and put in new welfare laws which screwed the poor over, Obama cut food stamps, currently, many Dems don't support the fight for a $15/hr minimum wage and actively fight against healthcare for all. All of these are policies which would aid the middle class and the poor.
 
The Dems clearly don't believe that the middle class and poor are in the most need of help. Just look at how Clinton went and put in new welfare laws which screwed the poor over, Obama cut food stamps, currently, many Dems don't support the fight for a $15/hr minimum wage and actively fight against healthcare for all. All of these are policies which would aid the middle class and the poor.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Obama extended the Food stamp program to include more Americans, Republicans rolled it back. Middle class wages went up under Clinton and Dems believe that healthcare is a right not a privilege. Republicans want to pay for their tax cuts for the rich with your Medicare and Social Security so get out and vote Democratic across the board today.
 
All we are doing with this nonsense is further dividing the county...
I know you meant country, but what I don't know is why you think I wouldn't be against you and your ilk regardless of everything else. I want to be separate from you. I don't want to agree with you. I want it to be very clear that I am the opposite of you. I'll take any opportunity to be "divided" from you.
 
nat - birth
nation - place of birth
national - of the place of birth
nationalism - support of the place of birth
 
Sure. I thought these were common knowledge, so I didn't bother including links:

You could've save time and only posted maybe the first two links, because they trade plenty of information between a few of them.
Firstly, not all of he sources are reputable. Anything from CNN in this day and age concerning Trump, is most doubtable going to be a far fetched as you can get, we very little in the way of factual reporting. Hell, I would take Vox over them and they are nearly just as much a terrible source as you can get. CNN is pretty notorious now for calling him a racist, while letting their own just run free.

The others are better, save for the NTYs. They have been pretty hit and miss as of late. Not to mention the article you linked use more anonymous sources than I would like. Such as their "Laziness is a black trait" section of the article. Even Snopes puts that as Mixture, simple because no one has actually heard him say it.

-The housing issue isn't covered in the article and it doesn't help that they cite themselves, without actually supplying anything informative. Muss less it covers the issue of the Park Rape case and just points out the same obscurity. This looks to be more of an issue that was his father (Fred Trumps) doing, than Donald's.
-There is nothing wrong with his statement about wanting to a well educated black man.
-The rape case was settled if memory serves and he called for such an action when it was still in the news. There is nothing wrong here as I think plenty of people had the same idea. Too bad that they cite themselves once again on this as well and use the article to basically bash conservatives like Ann Coulter and the such. Many people are still on the fence with the case. Despite it being well and done.
-Obsession with dark skinned Immigrants..:lamo I mean, are you really serious with this kind of lead right here. A majority of the immigrants that come into this country are dark skinned. So what the hell are they batting at here?
-Immigrants as racist and using MS-13 to disparage them all. No; but it is funny that they can pull al of that out of their rear ends like that. He has stated plenty of times that this was about illegal immigration and it didn't even account for all of them. Legal immigrants are fine, no issue, no muss, no fuss.
-The Muslim ban is as much a non-issue as it was before. Due to the amount of people who had become radicalized either in the state, or abroad it was a prudent call. If also somewhat rash in the approach.
-The Judge Gonzalo Curiel issue was funny, despite all their attempts to make it racist. Suggesting that someone's heritage might color their biased against you, or another person is not racism. Though the judge and Trump have butted heads before. So there might be more here.
-The Haiti HIV claim, while off the cuff and just as much in particular. Is not a baseless stance to take.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Haiti

I'm going to stop poking holes in this so called definitive list for now.

Despite what the PacificStandard article shows and it's not much. I cannot see any information that actually concludes what they are trying to sell. They cite racism and classism, yes. Yet they don't seem to try and answer why so many people that vote for Obama just jumped ship and voted for Trump, or if racism was actually such a large factor, why blacks also voted for him. Not to mention their claim of sexism and the amount of female voters he garnered.

I also must point out that this site is just as much into self gratification, as the NYTs was. In nearly every case, they cite themselves for almost all of their information and when I clicked on their post for Diana Mutz' study. It lead to her profile page and no study.

On the CNN birther article. Which I must point out is still pretty obvious what they are trying to do here.

Even the article says that Trump has let the issue go. It seems that the only ones still hanging onto such a trite notion are you and quite possibly many of the people at CNN.

Do you have any other "evidence" to supply?
 
I know you meant country, but what I don't know is why you think I wouldn't be against you and your ilk regardless of everything else. I want to be separate from you. I don't want to agree with you. I want it to be very clear that I am the opposite of you. I'll take any opportunity to be "divided" from you.

Yes, I meant country. Thank you.

The issue we face is the difference between holding to an ideology and using that ideology as a weapon to marginalize opposition. In some regards this is a fault of the level of governance that we have where the two front running parties have the desire to use the power of governance to some ends, that tends to place an onus on obtaining power then marginalizing those in a political minority.

Do not agree with my position on things, be opposite of those positions... using a weaponized governance model is not acceptable, and it is the core reason we are seeing all this fallout from being divided. Discourse is all but dead, and appeals to violence are on the incline.
 
You said, "All we are doing with this nonsense is further dividing the county, all the while a very foolish group on the right believes Trump is really about what he is saying with this “nationalism” garbage. Others have already explained the difference between patriotism and nationalism, and what we are doing here is cementing for the history books a very dark time for this nation."

Now you're saying, "The issue we face is the difference between holding to an ideology and using that ideology as a weapon to marginalize opposition. In some regards this is a fault of the level of governance that we have where the two front running parties have the desire to use the power of governance to some ends, that tends to place an onus on obtaining power then marginalizing those in a political minority. Do not agree with my position on things, be opposite of those positions... using a weaponized governance model is not acceptable, and it is the core reason we are seeing all this fallout from being divided. Discourse is all but dead, and appeals to violence are on the incline."

You think "a very foolish group on the right" is using ideology as a weapon? It is not a weapon to define a word that you don't understand and cannot understand because you don't want to understand. This is why you are distanced, because you cannot hear words and refrain from trying to make them mean something else. There is no difference between patriotism and nationalism. The problem is that people were slinging around the phrase "white nationalism" and when they heard Trump say "nationalism" they got so excited they ate all their Skittles. I can't help people who are that unhinged, but I can laugh at them.:giggle1:

"Those in a political minority" are just that. They need to recognize that and accept it. I am very sad that my county went blue, but I am not going to start parading around acting like a misfit. That's for the unhinged. I'm not going to stage a protest in the middle of the street and harass others. That's for the unhinged. I'm not going to gather some people and go terrorize anyone in their home. That's for the unhinged.

I don't see any fallout from being divided. You're over there, I am here. So what?

Maxine Waters' appeals to violence are on the incline, yes. Hillary Clinton's, too. Those are not people I will ever align with. I crave distance from their sort.

I don't worry about history books. "History" is being taught by unhinged liberals all over the country with absolutely no regard for history. People who absorb that are doomed and I don't care. Let them suffer the consequences of being ill-informed.
 
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