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Young Catholics urge Vatican to issue inclusive LGBT message

EMNofSeattle said:
1.)you are being dishonest
2.) and using the word “bigotry” is not an argument.
3.) In fact you are displaying bigotry towards me right now, so that cancels out
4.) . none of this is an argument.
5.)not in those words, but you used that very argument.
6.) not an argument
7.) yes you can judge someone not to be a Christian based on their words or actions contrary to scripture, in fact both Jesus and St Paul specifically caution believers to look for those who are not Christian but claim to be. We are also commanded to rebuke those who sin. Your philosophy is contrary to the scriptures.
8.) no, not the case. God certainly will judge those who are heretics, but when a church is teaching false beliefs directly at odds with the scriptures then there is no prohibition against calling them out. Nowhere is that in the Bible. In fact it teaches exactly the opposite, see Galatians chapter 1.
9.) again, no argument presented
10.) yes, if someone professes to be a Christian but their stated beliefs are in direct contradiction to the scriptures then you may dismiss them as false teachers, this is biblical. Obviously if they repent then you may now regard them as brothers or sisters in Christ. That 11.) is not correct. See Titus 3:10, Galatians 1:8) god gets to reject such people damning them to hell, however you can judge someone to be not in compliance with his law. If you see someone driving a car while drunk you may call him a drunk driver even though only a judge can sentence him to jail time.
12.) You keep saying things that are not correct



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1.) LMAO NOTHING i said was dishonesty. if you disagree directly challenge you to prove otherwise you will fail
2.) never said it was an argument thats and failed and retarded strawman, i simply pointed out a fact
3.) Wrong again, theres no bigotry towards YOU.
4.) translation: your lie and failed claim
5.) nope never did once, your false assumptions and claims will remain false i was very clear hence why your strawman failed and is still failing
6.) See # 4 we get it you cant defend your false claims
7.) does your feelings and opinions trump gods? nope than what I actually said stands 100% and your retarded strawmen still completely fails for all to see. I told you it will never work I will just continue to mock it and prove it 100% factually wrong. :)
8.) again what I said is fact and your made up strawmen will never work. They will only be entertainment for me since they are meaningless and show your desperation to deflect.
9.) again your false claim was destroyed and you cant defend it, this is becoming more and more fun!
10.) wrong again, god gets the only say that matters. too easy
11.) its 100% correct see #10
12.) but yet you havent presented one thing that supports that claim. keep tryign though its fun because no matter how much you make up and try to deflect what i actually said stands 100% and no strawmen will work.

Neither you nor I or any man on the planet gets to judge if another is christian or not, are feelings are meaningless, god gets the final say.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It has nothing to do with feelings. It is objective, bible says behavior x is sin, then santioning and not expecting repentance for said behavior is contrary to doctrine That’s not a feelings based argument at all.
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Yes we've been over this based on YOUR feelings

good move giving up one claiming 300+ priests in one state isnt high anymore though because that was a dishonest and disgusting claim
 
AGENT J said:
Yes we've been over this based on YOUR feelings

good move giving up one claiming 300+ priests in one state isnt high anymore though because that was a dishonest and disgusting claim
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No, not based on my feelings, based on the word of scripture. You are being deceitful.

300 over the course of seven decades is likely not high, those numbers have not been provided in enough context. It’s irrelevant anyway because no one is disputing child abuse is wrong.


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AGENT J said:
1.) LMAO NOTHING i said was dishonesty. if you disagree directly challenge you to prove otherwise you will fail
2.) never said it was an argument thats and failed and retarded strawman, i simply pointed out a fact
3.) Wrong again, theres no bigotry towards YOU.
4.) translation: your lie and failed claim
5.) nope never did once, your false assumptions and claims will remain false i was very clear hence why your strawman failed and is still failing
6.) See # 4 we get it you cant defend your false claims
7.) does your feelings and opinions trump gods? nope than what I actually said stands 100% and your retarded strawmen still completely fails for all to see. I told you it will never work I will just continue to mock it and prove it 100% factually wrong. :)
8.) again what I said is fact and your made up strawmen will never work. They will only be entertainment for me since they are meaningless and show your desperation to deflect.
9.) again your false claim was destroyed and you cant defend it, this is becoming more and more fun!
10.) wrong again, god gets the only say that matters. too easy
11.) its 100% correct see #10
12.) but yet you havent presented one thing that supports that claim. keep tryign though its fun because no matter how much you make up and try to deflect what i actually said stands 100% and no strawmen will work.

Neither you nor I or any man on the planet gets to judge if another is christian or not, are feelings are meaningless, god gets the final say.
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God has provided an objective means to judge, it’s called the Bible. Someone acting and living contrary to it without repentance in not a Christian. The Bible clearly commands opposite from what you claim. You’ve provided no scriptural support for your point of view, it is flatly rejected if you ever bothered to read.


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EMNofSeattle said:
1.)No, not based on my feelings, based on the word of scripture. You are being deceitful.
2.)300 over the course of seven decades is likely not high, those numbers have not been provided in enough context. It’s irrelevant anyway because no one is disputing child abuse is wrong.


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1.) You already proved its based on your feelings, that wont change :shrug:
2.) than you for again proving how dishonest and disgusting your views are and why they are part of the problem!
 
EMNofSeattle said:
God has provided an objective means to judge, it’s called the Bible. Someone acting and living contrary to it without repentance in not a Christian. The Bible clearly commands opposite from what you claim. You’ve provided no scriptural support for your point of view, it is flatly rejected if you ever bothered to read.


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LMAO continue failed and retarded strawman wont work

Fact remains:
Neither you nor I or any man on the planet gets to judge if another is christian or not, are feelings are meaningless, god gets the final say. This fact will not change no matter how much you stomp your feet and try to deflect away from it :)
 
EMNofSeattle said:
God has provided an objective means to judge, it’s called the Bible. Someone acting and living contrary to it without repentance in not a Christian. The Bible clearly commands opposite from what you claim. You’ve provided no scriptural support for your point of view, it is flatly rejected if you ever bothered to read.


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You can take your "holier than thou" bible bull**** and go play in rush hour traffic.
 
HenryChinaski said:
You can take your "holier than thou" bible bull**** and go play in rush hour traffic.
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Not an argument. This isn't a secular discussion, this is a religious discussion involving doctrine of a church, the bible is therefore in this context an objective guide for doctrine.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Not an argument. This isn't a secular discussion, this is a religious discussion involving doctrine of a church, the bible is therefore in this context an objective guide for doctrine.
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If ones religious institution and holy book dictates discrimination and persecution of others, then that individual should find a new religion and holy book.
 
HenryChinaski said:
If ones religious institution and holy book dictates discrimination and persecution of others, then that individual should find a new religion and holy book.
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The bible does not demand persecution, and I've never advocated the government should discriminate against others based on a religious text.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I doubt these “young Catholics” are really that involved or will remain so if the Church changes moral teaching.

Look at what happened to the Episcopal Church in the US after going full on pro-gay. I will leave the church and join an evangelical congregation if they start sanctioning homosexuality. And so will the people who actually believe in God
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Doubtful,considering so many refuse to leave the church because of well documented,ongoing legacy of sexual abuse within the church.
 
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