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NYT: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

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Exact title: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

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Oct. 21, 2018

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

A series of decisions by the Obama administration loosened the legal concept of sex in federal programs, including in education and health care, recognizing sex largely as an individual’s choice — and prompting fights over bathrooms, dormitories, single-sex programs and other arenas where gender was once seen as a simple concept. Conservatives, especially evangelical Christians, were incensed.

Now the Department of Health and Human Services is spearheading an effort to establish a legal definition of sex under Title IX, the federal civil rights law that bans gender discrimination in education programs that receive government financial assistance, according to a memo obtained by The New York Times.
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I look at this as another Art of the Distraction. Republicans can't run on their unpopular positions of giving huge deficit-creating tax-cuts to the top bracket and slashing health coverage to millions of Americans. So, they are running on fear mongering (e.g. immigrants) and social division of gender identity.
 
MTAtech said:
Exact title: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

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I look at this as another Art of the Distraction. Republicans can't run on their unpopular positions of giving huge deficit-creating tax-cuts to the top bracket and slashing health coverage to millions of Americans. So, they are running on fear mongering (e.g. immigrants) and social division of gender identity.
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Sex is determined biologically. In humans one is either male or female, (although there are extremely rare instances of disorders of sexual development known as hermaphroditism). It is rightly considered an "immutable" characteristic.

Gender involves social and cultural roles attributed to each sex.

Transgenderism occurs when a person's personal view of their identity does not conform with social norms attributed to their sex. This is a mutable characteristic, as seen with those who once thought they wanted a sex change and later realize it was a mistake.

IMO the Administration is correct in stating that current civil rights law does not cover transgenderism when it refers to discrimination on the basis of "sex."

If Congress wishes to add transgenderism to the law, fine. Meanwhile IMO this (disorder?) is not currently covered by anti-discrimination law.
 
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MTAtech said:
Exact title: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

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I look at this as another Art of the Distraction. Republicans can't run on their unpopular positions of giving huge deficit-creating tax-cuts to the top bracket and slashing health coverage to millions of Americans. So, they are running on fear mongering (e.g. immigrants) and social division of gender identity.
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Who says the GOP can't run on tax cuts and supply side initiaves ? The economy is booming in comparison to the 8 years of stagnation under Obama.

The only people who think Obama's responsible for Trump's economy would never vote for the GOP anyway, and at least the GOP CAN run on a policy message based platform.

The Democrats ? Identity/ class politics, tac increases, regulations, open borders, Govt run healthcare, character assassination and gun confiscation defines their platform

Also, EVERY GOP candidate should include the following video in their political adds

 
Fenton said:
Who says the GOP can't run on tax cuts and supply side initiaves ? The economy is booming in comparison to the 8 years of stagnation under Obama.

The only people who think Obama's responsible for Trump's economy would never vote for the GOP anyway, and at least the GOP CAN run on a policy message based platform.

The Democrats ? Identity/ class politics, tac increases, regulations, open borders, Govt run healthcare, character assassination and gun confiscation defines their platform
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Please, please Republicans, run on tax-cuts and repealing Obamacare.

GOP tax cuts have gotten less popular with voters, new NBC/WSJ poll says

Poll: ObamaCare favorability reaches all-time high

Democrats don't believe in open borders and have voted for tighter border control.
Identity politics? That's what this thread is about -- you guys are identity fetishists.
 
MTAtech said:
Please, please Republicans, run on tax-cuts and repealing Obamacare.

GOP tax cuts have gotten less popular with voters, new NBC/WSJ poll says

Poll: ObamaCare favorability reaches all-time high

Democrats don't believe in open borders and have voted for tighter border control.
Identity politics? That's what this thread is about -- you guys are identity fetishists.
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HHS Report : Average Health Insurance Premiums have doubled since 2013
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hh...alth-insurance-premiums-doubled-2013.html?amp


S&P Study showing massive Premiums hikes since the laws implementation
PMPM-Chart-Mercatus.jpg

So Obamacare is still a unmitigated disaster and Premiums are still rising but now, just prior to the midterms it's more popular than ever ?

Sounds like typical Left wing dishonest propaganda to me. If the ACA was so popular, do you think the GOP would be picking up seats in the Senate ? Nope
 
Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/...on-sex-definition.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

Lets see, trampling on personal liberties, overriding state laws....tell me again how Trump likes liberty and states rights.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

rocket88 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/...on-sex-definition.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

Lets see, trampling on personal liberties, overriding state laws....tell me again how Trump likes liberty and states rights.
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Its not Trump's fault leftists stole the word "gender" and turned it in to "sexual orientation". Meanwhile hermaphrodites and people with REAL gender issues just wanna be left alone. Its only the crossdressers that pretend to be trans that put up a huge fuss.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

If folks are completely free to 'self designate' (gender, race and/or ethnicity) then why have any such designations at all?
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

rocket88 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/...on-sex-definition.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

Lets see, trampling on personal liberties, overriding state laws....tell me again how Trump likes liberty and states rights.
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I really wish that politicians would stop trying to dictate definitions of words. It just screams newspeak, and a step towards Oceania. I mean the word 'sex' is used for biological definition of male of female. Much of the confusion is centered on people who are ignorant of the difference definitions of the words gender and sex. So it is really not shocking that Trump is ignorant as well.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Its not Trump's fault leftists stole the word "gender" and turned it in to "sexual orientation". Meanwhile hermaphrodites and people with REAL gender issues just wanna be left alone. Its only the crossdressers that pretend to be trans that put up a huge fuss.
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The number of people who "pretend to be trans" is probably smaller than the number who pretend not to be.

Don't you think a person should have freedom to define themselves? Isn't that the most basic fundamental right of all?
 
Captain Adverse said:
Sex is determined biologically. In humans one is either male or female, (although there are extremely rare instances of disorders of sexual development known as hermaphroditism). It is rightly considered an "immutable" characteristic.

Gender involves social and cultural roles attributed to each sex.

Transgenderism occurs when a person's personal view of their identity does not conform with social norms attributed to their sex. This is a mutable characteristic, as seen with those who once thought they wanted a sex change and later realize it was a mistake.

IMO the Administration is correct in stating that current civil rights law does not cover transgenderism when it refers to discrimination on the basis of "sex."

If Congress wishes to add transgenderism to the law, fine. Meanwhile IMO this (disorder?) is not currently covered by anti-discrimination law.
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Whats weird is by saying "I like all this womens stuff so i dont identify as a man" means that they are womanizing themselves and actually dont think highly of the opposite sex deep down. They are saying men cant wear hot pink shorts because they themselves dont want to associate as that. Of course at the same time they are saying anyone is free to do anything. (just go be a boy in pink shorts ffs noone cares)
 
Fenton said:
HHS Report : Average Health Insurance Premiums have doubled since 2013
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hh...alth-insurance-premiums-doubled-2013.html?amp


S&P Study showing massive Premiums hikes since the laws implementation
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So Obamacare is still a unmitigated disaster and Premiums are still rising but now, just prior to the midterms it's more popular than ever ?

Sounds like typical Left wing dishonest propaganda to me. If the ACA was so popular, do you think the GOP would be picking up seats in the Senate ? Nope
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Mandetory Healthcares increases the value (and therefore price) of healthcare. Because EVERYONE needs to get it where as before maybe 20% CHOSE to get it. Eventually the price is gonna get x2 and then x3 and really just whatever they agree to with health insurance agencies, both of them working against us (for $$$$$$)

If a man NEVER visits the doctor in 100 years why should he pay 1 cent?
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

rocket88 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/...on-sex-definition.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

Lets see, trampling on personal liberties, overriding state laws....tell me again how Trump likes liberty and states rights.
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Did you even read it? Where does it say its illegal to define yourself as a trans? You can pretend to be a kangaroo for all we care just done ask the government to get involved to accomodate your pouch.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

rocket88 said:
The number of people who "pretend to be trans" is probably smaller than the number who pretend not to be.

Don't you think a person should have freedom to define themselves? Isn't that the most basic fundamental right of all?
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Sure. Don't ask me to pay for it, or accomadate it.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

Almost one and a half million non-people in the USA. How fascist is that? Untermenschen anyone?
 
MTAtech said:
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I look at this as another Art of the Distraction. Republicans can't run on their unpopular positions of giving huge deficit-creating tax-cuts to the top bracket and slashing health coverage to millions of Americans. So, they are running on fear mongering (e.g. immigrants) and social division of gender identity.
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The illegal immigrant caravan is real and needs to be stopped. it is a direct affront to our laws.

but I agree with you about Transgender. To me the word makes no sense, as there are only two genders. However, The words to In A Godda Da Vida and Incense and Peppermints make no sense either, but I still like the songs. Just because it makes no sense is no reason to get rid of it. It makes them feel happy and they aren't hurting me any, so this is a nonissue to me.
 
MTAtech said:
Exact title: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

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Comment:

I look at this as another Art of the Distraction. Republicans can't run on their unpopular positions of giving huge deficit-creating tax-cuts to the top bracket and slashing health coverage to millions of Americans. So, they are running on fear mongering (e.g. immigrants) and social division of gender identity.
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Tax are govt confiscation of money that private citizens have earned.Your phrases like "1%" and "top bracket" is simply your way of spewing vitriol against earners whose earnings you wish you could seize more of.

It's like sending people to internment camps - you spew venom at them to dehumanize them and thus psyche yourself up for dispossessing them.
 
sanman said:
Tax are govt confiscation of money that private citizens have earned.Your phrases like "1%" and "top bracket" is simply your way of spewing vitriol against earners whose earnings you wish you could seize more of.

It's like sending people to internment camps - you spew venom at them to dehumanize them and thus psyche yourself up for dispossessing them.
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This is an utterly ridiculous comparison. You should be ashamed.
 
MTAtech said:
Exact title: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

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Comment:

I look at this as another Art of the Distraction. Republicans can't run on their unpopular positions of giving huge deficit-creating tax-cuts to the top bracket and slashing health coverage to millions of Americans. So, they are running on fear mongering (e.g. immigrants) and social division of gender identity.
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Sex is biological. Gender follows biology for the vast majority, but for a few they don't innately feel like the sex they were given. Their personal decision to live like the gender they want to be should be respected. We should use the sex or gender of a person appropriately when making decisions.
 
distraff said:
Sex is biological. Gender follows biology for the vast majority, but for a few they don't innately feel like the sex they were given. Their personal decision to live like the gender they want to be should be respected. We should use the sex or gender of a person appropriately when making decisions.
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So long as they pay the freight....fine.
 
Fenton said:
Who says the GOP can't run on tax cuts and supply side initiaves ? The economy is booming in comparison to the 8 years of stagnation under Obama.
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I"m really sick of right wing lies.

The country and the end '08 was on the brink of disaster, and Obama preserved millions of jobs, auto workers, etc.

In the 2 quarters we've seen with Trump, his 2nd Q peak has yet to reach as high as three of Obama's highest peaks.

Bush drove the country into a huge ditch. Obama drove it out of that ditch, and onto gradual, but higher ground,
and now repubs are complaining that Obama didn't drive the US out of the ditch they drove us into in the first place.

all Trump had to do is jump in the car what was already climbing up hill. Hell, he started taking credit for the economy the very first day he took office, ignoring the fact that he can have no effect on the economy until his fiscal year began nine months after he took office.

In the meantime, Trump is destroying America's institutions, destroying America's leadership role in the world, and destroying the presidency by running it into the gutter, engaging in gutter politics. he is a despicable human being, a petty human being. In order to make something great, you have to be great yourself, and that would not be Trump.


WE are going to whip your butt in November.
 
sanman said:
Tax are govt confiscation of money that private citizens have earned.Your phrases like "1%" and "top bracket" is simply your way of spewing vitriol against earners whose earnings you wish you could seize more of.

It's like sending people to internment camps - you spew venom at them to dehumanize them and thus psyche yourself up for dispossessing them.
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Yes, I know the mantra, taxes are theft, tyranny, etc. This can't be argued on rational grounds. We have a government that requires funding through taxes. We can either have a progressive tax system that taxes the higher income taxpayers more, or have one that has low taxes on the wealthy that must tax everyone else more. These are choices.
 
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