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NYT: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

MTAtech said:
Yes, I know the mantra, taxes are theft, tyranny, etc. This can't be argued on rational grounds. We have a government that requires funding through taxes. We can either have a progressive tax system that taxes the higher income taxpayers more, or have one that has low taxes on the wealthy that must tax everyone else more. These are choices.
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You can argue that there would be no earning of money by private people if it was not for government... government put in place the rules and regulations that make earning money/wealth possible 8n a civilised world.

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sanman said:
Tax are govt confiscation of money that private citizens have earned.Your phrases like "1%" and "top bracket" is simply your way of spewing vitriol against earners whose earnings you wish you could seize more of.

It's like sending people to internment camps - you spew venom at them to dehumanize them and thus psyche yourself up for dispossessing them.
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So taxes are like a concentration camp, but de-humanizing people isn't?
 
OscarLevant said:
I"m really sick of right wing lies.

The country and the end '08 was on the brink of disaster, and Obama preserved millions of jobs, auto workers, etc.

In the 2 quarters we've seen with Trump, his 2nd Q peak has yet to reach as high as three of Obama's highest peaks.

Bush drove the country into a huge ditch. Obama drove it out of that ditch, and onto gradual, but higher ground,
and now repubs are complaining that Obama didn't drive the US out of the ditch they drove us into in the first place.

all Trump had to do is jump in the car what was already climbing up hill. Hell, he started taking credit for the economy the very first day he took office, ignoring the fact that he can have no effect on the economy until his fiscal year began nine months after he took office.

In the meantime, Trump is destroying America's institutions, destroying America's leadership role in the world, and destroying the presidency by running it into the gutter, engaging in gutter politics. he is a despicable human being, a petty human being. In order to make something great, you have to be great yourself, and that would not be Trump.


WE are going to whip your butt in November.
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And I'm sick and tired of Left wing ignorance being portrayed as a informed opinion

Average GDP growth never exceeded 2 % under Obama and 2016 GDP average was 1.6%

A NYTs article from August 2016 stated that " slow GDP growth would haunt whoever wins in November."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...low-growth-world-how-did-we-get-here.amp.html

Paul Krugman predicted Global and market economic collpase immediately after Trump won which is odd considering the economy was supposedly primed by Obama

The FACT is economist and Left wing MSM outlets were predicting continued economic stagnation under Obama's predecessor.
It would seem the Left has the collective emotional maturity of a toddler.
Not only could you people not respond to a election loss with the grace and dignity of a well adjusted and mature adult, now you're trying to take credit for someone else's accomplishments.
 
Fenton said:
And I'm sick and tired of Left wing ignorance being portrayed as a informed opinion

Average GDP growth never exceeded 2 % under Obama and 2016 GDP average was 1.6%

A NYTs article from August 2016 stated that " slow GDP growth would haunt whoever wins in November."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...low-growth-world-how-did-we-get-here.amp.html

Paul Krugman predicted Global and market economic collpase immediately after Trump won which is odd considering the economy was supposedly primed by Obama

The FACT is economist and Left wing MSM outlets were predicting continued economic stagnation under Obama's predecessor.
It would seem the Left has the collective emotional maturity of a toddler.
Not only could you people not respond to a election loss with the grace and dignity of a well adjusted and mature adult, now you're trying to take credit for someone else's accomplishments.
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So, "average GDP growth never exceeded 2 % under Obama and 2016 GDP average was 1.6%." Really? I generally advise people that before they spew numbers, they actually check the numbers. Annual real GDP growth exceeded 2% 4 out of 8 times under Obama. GDP growth under Trump hasn't been better than under Obama.

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Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

rocket88 said:
The number of people who "pretend to be trans" is probably smaller than the number who pretend not to be.

Don't you think a person should have freedom to define themselves? Isn't that the most basic fundamental right of all?
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Isn't the sex of a person determined by genitalia/genetic make up? If not then what defines a man/woman? And I am asking out of genuine curiosity not any deep seated political or religious view. IMO a penis is more defining of gender than clothing/make up/behaviors ect. Why can't a person be a man and still dress and act how they want (legally of course)? Why does a person have to be a woman in order to behave like a woman? I think that there are two separate factors that have been connected for generations and shouldn't be. Male and female biology isn't a choice. We are given one at birth 99.9% of the time. Behaviors are choices and societies have chosen to identify those behaviors with gender. Perhaps it is time to remove the social boundaries that we pretend define men and women and let men and women simply be who they are and stop defining gender as behaviors.
 
Fenton said:
Who says the GOP can't run on tax cuts and supply side initiaves ? The economy is booming in comparison to the 8 years of stagnation under Obama.

The only people who think Obama's responsible for Trump's economy would never vote for the GOP anyway, and at least the GOP CAN run on a policy message based platform.

The Democrats ? Identity/ class politics, tac increases, regulations, open borders, Govt run healthcare, character assassination and gun confiscation defines their platform

Also, EVERY GOP candidate should include the following video in their political adds

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Why would the GOP want to highlight that even with the majority they have done nothing to stop illegal immigrants from working here and receiving benefit?
 
Fenton said:
And I'm sick and tired of Left wing ignorance being portrayed as a informed opinion

Average GDP growth never exceeded 2 % under Obama and 2016 GDP average was 1.6%

A NYTs article from August 2016 stated that " slow GDP growth would haunt whoever wins in November."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...low-growth-world-how-did-we-get-here.amp.html

Paul Krugman predicted Global and market economic collpase (sic) immediately after Trump won which is odd considering the economy was supposedly primed by Obama

The FACT is economist and Left wing MSM outlets were predicting continued economic stagnation under Obama's predecessor.
It would seem the Left has the collective emotional maturity of a toddler.
Not only could you people not respond to a election loss with the grace and dignity of a well adjusted and mature adult, now you're trying to take credit for someone else's accomplishments.
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Paul Krugman did say that and then retracted it a few days later -- something you neglected to mention.

There’s a temptation to predict immediate economic or foreign-policy collapse; I gave in to that temptation Tuesday night, but quickly realized that I was making the same mistake as the opponents of Brexit (which I got right). So I am retracting that call, right now. It’s at least possible that bigger budget deficits will, if anything, strengthen the economy briefly. More detail in Monday’s column, I suspect.
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Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

rocket88 said:
The number of people who "pretend to be trans" is probably smaller than the number who pretend not to be.

Don't you think a person should have freedom to define themselves? Isn't that the most basic fundamental right of all?
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you can define yourself all you want. what you can't do is force other people to accept that definition and that is the issue.
that is the major issue right there.

you want to put a dress and call yourself a women. fine go ahead, but you can't force the rest of us too and that is what they are trying to do.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

Manc Skipper said:
Almost one and a half million non-people in the USA. How fascist is that? Untermenschen anyone?
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What utter horse-****!
Has anyone claimed these sexual freaks are "non-people"?
The answer is a resounding "NO".

Maybe you might wanna try being just a little less of a pure sound-byte abuser?
 
MTAtech said:
Paul Krugman did say that and then retracted it a few days later -- something you neglected to mention.
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Yeah I know he retracted it.
Krugman is a Nobel Laureate and a distinguished Professor at CUNY, but he let his partisan fueled frustrations get the better of him. It's behavior that's beneath a man of his stature and he should remember that

Regardless, economist, newspapers and media outlets were projecting years of post election economic stagnation
 
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Kreton said:
Isn't the sex of a person determined by genitalia/genetic make up? If not then what defines a man/woman? And I am asking out of genuine curiosity not any deep seated political or religious view. IMO a penis is more defining of gender than clothing/make up/behaviors ect. Why can't a person be a man and still dress and act how they want (legally of course)? Why does a person have to be a woman in order to behave like a woman? I think that there are two separate factors that have been connected for generations and shouldn't be. Male and female biology isn't a choice. We are given one at birth 99.9% of the time. Behaviors are choices and societies have chosen to identify those behaviors with gender. Perhaps it is time to remove the social boundaries that we pretend define men and women and let men and women simply be who they are and stop defining gender as behaviors.
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I don't know what determines gender. It seems to be more than just "do you have a penis." Something causes some people to be trans (and it's not liberalism).

But basically, I feel The same. Give everybody the freedom to define who they are and who they have sex with and let it be. It shouldn't be up to government to define these matters.
 
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rocket88 said:
I don't know what determines gender. It seems to be more than just "do you have a penis." Something causes some people to be trans (and it's not liberalism).

But basically, I feel The same. Give everybody the freedom to define who they are and who they have sex with and let it be. It shouldn't be up to government to define these matters.
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I do know there are a bunch of female track athletes tired of watching the boys win all the girls events in California.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

ludin said:
you can define yourself all you want. what you can't do is force other people to accept that definition and that is the issue.
that is the major issue right there.

you want to put a dress and call yourself a women. fine go ahead, but you can't force the rest of us too and that is what they are trying to do.
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You probably see a bunch of trans people everyday and accept that they are as they present themselves without a second thought. I have a friend who is female to male trans and honestly I had no idea until he said it on Facebook. I always thought he was just another dude like me.

Is it so bad to just accept people? Why do they have to fit in a box?
 
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Erod said:
I do know there are a bunch of female track athletes tired of watching the boys win all the girls events in California.
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Nobody is pretending to be trans to win a High School track meet. Or at least, very few. Despite your talking points.
 
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rocket88 said:
Nobody is pretending to be trans to win a High School track meet. Or at least, very few. Despite your talking points.
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I recently won a 4th grade spelling bee because I'm a kid at heart.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

ttwtt78640 said:
If folks are completely free to 'self designate' (gender, race and/or ethnicity) then why have any such designations at all?
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That's an interesting question - why indeed? What purpose do they serve? Any why do people get so caught up in it? So triggering.

As far as I can tell, the only valid reason to specify is to identify...and if the person who was born with a penis now looks like a woman, perhaps a W on the ID would be more helpful in that regard.

Beyond this, it all seems to be just one more example of people feeling entitled to weigh in on how others live their lives. Wouldn't it be nice if we had less of that?
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

OlNate said:
That's an interesting question - why indeed? What purpose do they serve? Any why do people get so caught up in it? So triggering.

As far as I can tell, the only valid reason to specify is to identify...and if the person who was born with a penis now looks like a woman, perhaps a W on the ID would be more helpful in that regard.

Beyond this, it all seems to be just one more example of people feeling entitled to weigh in on how others live their lives. Wouldn't it be nice if we had less of that?
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Just follow this simple programming:

if( event.aligned( liberal.goalsArray ) )
{
outrage.on();
}
else
{
ignore.on();
}

It applies everywhere. And, if you want to see people really lose their minds, tell them you don't care about their outrage.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

ludin said:
you can define yourself all you want. what you can't do is force other people to accept that definition and that is the issue.
that is the major issue right there.

you want to put a dress and call yourself a women. fine go ahead, but you can't force the rest of us too and that is what they are trying to do.
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We don't want compelled speech like Canada.
 
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Acadia said:
We don't want compelled speech like Canada.
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bingo.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

Samhain said:
Just follow this simple programming:

if( event.aligned( liberal.goalsArray ) )
{
outrage.on();
}
else
{
ignore.on();
}

It applies everywhere. And, if you want to see people really lose their minds, tell them you don't care about their outrage.
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Oh, we're really gonna **** with the people, and talk in programming code, are we? lmao... If so, you first need to check for alignment.political, as if the user is Left leaning, you need to make the check reference conservative.goalsArray. Then you need to add a do while statement, where the qualifier to continue the loop is hell.freeze = false. :lol:
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

OlNate said:
Oh, we're really gonna **** with the people, and talk in programming code, are we? lmao... If so, you first need to check for alignment.political, as if the user is Left leaning, you need to make the check reference conservative.goalsArray. Then you need to add a do while statement, where the qualifier to continue the loop is hell.freeze = false. :lol:
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you need to use == or === if you want to perform a comparison, otherwise you will accidentally set the variable you are trying to check to that value.

Code is my first language; more proficient in a variety of those than English.
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

Samhain said:
I recently won a 4th grade spelling bee because I'm a kid at heart.
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That's nice. It puts you ahead of a lot of conservatives who think spelling is a liberal plot.

As a "libertarian" wouldn't you support people's freedom?
 
Re: Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence

OlNate said:
That's an interesting question - why indeed? What purpose do they serve? Any why do people get so caught up in it? So triggering.

As far as I can tell, the only valid reason to specify is to identify...and if the person who was born with a penis now looks like a woman, perhaps a W on the ID would be more helpful in that regard.

Beyond this, it all seems to be just one more example of people feeling entitled to weigh in on how others live their lives. Wouldn't it be nice if we had less of that?
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Conservatives can't abide by anything that doesn't fit neatly in a box.
 
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