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Trump threatens to send military to southern border with Mexico

I am on the left side of the political spectrum but on this I go with the right side. Illegal immigration profoundly irritates me, and massive crowds seeking refugee status here often for economic reasons rather than true persecution in their countries of origin, also irk me.

A huge caravan trying to force their way uninvited into the US is indeed a disrespect to the fact that as a sovereign nation we are allowed to choose the people we want to let in.

I'm all for legal immigration (which benefits our economy unlike some rightist radicals believe) but I'm decisively against illegal immigration and against people taking advantage of our refugee system.

Sure, deploying the army is a show for his base, but I will support any measure Trump will take to stop these people from entering the US uninvited.
Good vote Republican this time around if you want controlled immigration.

Personally I think one reason for threatening to use the military to "close the border down" was to cause the cartels to pressure the Mexican government to do something. The cartels don't want their primary business of drug smuggling ground to a stop by the US military. They would lose people smuggling AND drug smuggling.
 
Sting gone wrong? Hundreds of people died from this "gone wrong".

You're correct. It's not same as " "average Americans" deliberately buying guns for the cartels."

It's far worse.

Yep, any excuse for shrieking "but Obama".

Unlike those "freedom loving Americans" buying such weapons for the cartels the intent was never to ensure the cartels got to keep said weapons.

Things go wrong. That's life.
 
From the CBC

Trump threatens to send military to southern border with Mexico

President Donald Trump on Thursday said he would deploy the U.S. military and close the southern border if Mexico did not move to halt large groups of migrants headed for the United States from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

"I must, in the strongest of terms, ask Mexico to stop this onslaught — and if unable to do so I will call up the U.S. Military and CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER!" Trump wrote on Twitter.

Trump threatened to withhold regional aid as a caravan with several thousand Honduran migrants journeyed this week through Guatemala to Mexico in hopes of crossing the U.S.-Mexico border and escaping endemic violence and poverty in Central America.

COMMENT:-

Since those troops will "... not perform law enforcement duties or have contact with migrants at the border.", exactly what will they be doing?

Please note that I'm not in the least questioning Mr. Trump's right to "deploy American troops to bolster America's national security", I'm just asking "WTF difference does he think that this is going to make unless the ROE get changed to allow the troops to shoot on sight?".

PS - Mr. Trump is also making noises about abrogating the terms of NAFTA 2.0 even before it has been formally adopted - or even afterwards if the Mexicans don't do - in Mexico (regardless of what the laws of Mexico are) - what they are told to do by the President of the United States of America. This, of course, is going to bolster the degree of confidence that the Mexican government has that the US government will actually abide by NAFTA 2.0.

Trump could and should shut the US Mexico border down. This **** is getting out of hand.

 
:lamo

see...your problem is you WANT what she is saying to be true so you just up and swallowed for her. Dont worry...this isnt the first time she has just thrown out some bull**** comment and leftists 'liked' it because they really wanted it to be so.

"A recent article in the Journal of Environmental Health reported on a rigorous study of the health of children in 87 families living in migrant farm worker camps in North Carolina. It concluded that a major cause of poor health among the migrant families is the non-enforcement of existing regulations by government. The report noted that:

Of particular concern …is the extraordinarily high prevalence of Giardia lamblia a protozoan which is the most frequent cause of water-born epidemics of diarrhea in the U.S.

In fact, such health concerns have persisted for over a decade and were identified in papers published between 2002 and 2006 by Dr. Madeleine Cosman. Dr. Cosman warned that, “Horrendous diseases that long ago America had conquered are resurging … [and] suddenly are reappearing in American emergency rooms and medical offices.”

Among the most common diseases found among illegal immigrants are the new multi-drug resistant Tuberculosis (MDR-TB), Chagas Disease, Leprosy, and Dengue Fever.

TB was largely unknown in Virginia until 2002, when it spiked 17% statewide and 188% in Prince William County, a suburb of Washington, DC. Public health officials blamed illegal immigration.
Indiana University School of Medicine in 2001 studied an outbreak of MDR-TB and traced it to illegal immigrants from Mexico.
Queens, NY public health officials have attributed 81% of new TB cases to immigrants.
In 2002, the U.S. CDC attributed 42% of all new TB cases to “foreign born” persons, which includes both legal and illegal immigrants. THE CDC report suggested that 66% of all new TB cases in the U.S. originate in Mexico, the Philippines and Vietnam.
Leprosy was so rare in this country that only 900 cases were reported in the 40 years 1960-2000. Suddenly, from 2002 to 2005, we had 7,000 cases and is now endemic in the northeastern United States. Most of the cases are traceable to Brazil, Mexico, Caribbean nations and India.
Dengue Fever is extremely rare in America, but recently there was a sudden outbreak in Webb County, Texas, on the Rio Grande.

In July of 2014, Georgia Congressman Phil Gingrey, M.D., sent a letter to the CDC citing reports that the tens of thousands of “unaccompanied children” arriving at the border pose a public health risk when resettled across the country. He voiced concern for the safety of Border Patrol personnel and the adequacy of CDC vaccination programs. Unfortunately, the CDC has not seen fit to share more information with the public on the children’s health condition and the treatments provided.

What should scare us most is not what we know about the health of 700,000 illegal aliens arriving each year but what we do not know. When the Obama administration goes to great lengths to hide the truth about so many of its activities, there is no reason to trust what they are telling us about the health profiles of hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens released into the American heartland?"

See...the problem has been going on for DECADES and it impacts MULTIPLE illegal immigrant population centers in the US...not 1 instance tied to a kid in Colorado in 2016.

No matter how badly you want that to be the case. So go ahead and pick up your flag. You punked yourself.

Clara hasn't even attempted to justify her white kid from Colorado statement. Except to declare an oopsie. It must have been that white kid from California, who, judging from the article she posted as backup, must be that white kid living in Virginia.

Facts don't seem to matter.
 
US troops on the southern border are pretty much confined to observation. They can't perform the law enforcement actions of either ICE or USBP.

Basically, a feel-good gesture to Trumps GOP base before the midterms.

Rather than go through all this rigmarole every 6 months, determined US economic/law enforcement initiatives in Central America could alter that landscape for the better.
 
Searching for clues

What about the new strain of dangerous and untreatable polio that travels worth these people?

I've looked around on the 'net - there's nothing out there about this. Do you have a link?
 
Clara hasn't even attempted to justify her white kid from Colorado statement. Except to declare an oopsie. It must have been that white kid from California, who, judging from the article she posted as backup, must be that white kid living in Virginia.

Facts don't seem to matter.
Clara has a habit of spewing ridiculous bull**** as 'fact' which is then promptly 'liked' by other leftist muppets. She made herself look completely stupid with hjer comments about homeless vets in CoSprings and then when called out on it ran off.

Anyone that thinks this issue began with some kid in Colorado in the last few years is just plain too stupid for words.
 
Re: Searching for clues

I've looked around on the 'net - there's nothing out there about this. Do you have a link?

Not to anything that even a stupid person could confuse with a reputable source.
 
Sting gone wrong? Hundreds of people died from this "gone wrong".

You're correct. It's not same as " "average Americans" deliberately buying guns for the cartels."

It's far worse.
But they said "my bad". :doh
 
Good vote Republican this time around if you want controlled immigration.

Personally I think one reason for threatening to use the military to "close the border down" was to cause the cartels to pressure the Mexican government to do something. The cartels don't want their primary business of drug smuggling ground to a stop by the US military. They would lose people smuggling AND drug smuggling.

Too late, I have already early-voted, straight Democratic ticket.
But you are wrong when you think the GOP will control illegal immigration. It's all posturing. Lots of businesses that benefit from illegal immigration give money to GOP candidates. They posture during the campaign, and when they get elected, they do square nothing to control illegal immigration. Both parties posture about this issue but never solve the problem.
 
US troops on the southern border are pretty much confined to observation. They can't perform the law enforcement actions of either ICE or USBP.

Basically, a feel-good gesture to Trumps GOP base before the midterms.

Rather than go through all this rigmarole every 6 months, determined US economic/law enforcement initiatives in Central America could alter that landscape for the better.

It's now being reported that there are 5,600 in a caravan headed north. Trump can declare the invasion a national emergency but he also needs to be granted a waiver by Congress. And yes, the U.S. military most certainly can close the border.
 
That's actually a propaganda claim without any factual basis.
Oh, really? Read this, regarding the hospitality industry, a sector that notoriously benefits from hiring Hispanic maids:

"Republicans received $810,850, or 56% of contributions from industry political action committees (PACs). Democrats received $639,770, or 44% of contributions. The AHLA PAC gave the most money in the hospitality industry so far this year, $339,100, with more than half of that going to Republican candidates."

https://skift.com/2014/09/11/top-10-hotel-industry-donors-to-this-years-midterm-political-campaigns/

Oh, too bad when facts get in the way of your partisan ideas, huh?

And that's just one example. You can find several in all industries that benefit from illegal immigration, like construction and farming.
 
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It's now being reported that there are 5,600 in a caravan headed north. Trump can declare the invasion a national emergency but he also needs to be granted a waiver by Congress. And yes, the U.S. military most certainly can close the border.

So he can keep out all the supplies, cars, medicatins,etc? Wouldnt he need Congress to approve shutting down trade? He also needs to figure out how he can legally shut out all those US citizens that cross everyday
 
Oh, really? Read this, regarding the hospitality industry, a sector that notoriously benefits from hiring Hispanic maids:

"Republicans received $810,850, or 56% of contributions from industry political action committees (PACs). Democrats received $639,770, or 44% of contributions. The AHLA PAC gave the most money in the hospitality industry so far this year, $339,100, with more than half of that going to Republican candidates."

https://skift.com/2014/09/11/top-10-hotel-industry-donors-to-this-years-midterm-political-campaigns/

Oh, too bad when facts get in the way of your partisan ideas, huh?

And that's just one example. You can find several in all industries that benefit from illegal immigration, like construction and farming.

1. I have no party affiliation.
2. The hospitality, farming and construction industries have many more important reasons than immigration to be politically engaged.
3. The amount of money involved is unimpressive, and is split fairly evenly between the parties, even if Repubs get slightly more.
4. As I said, you are spouting a mere propaganda falsehood.
 
Too late, I have already early-voted, straight Democratic ticket.
But you are wrong when you think the GOP will control illegal immigration. It's all posturing. Lots of businesses that benefit from illegal immigration give money to GOP candidates. They posture during the campaign, and when they get elected, they do square nothing to control illegal immigration. Both parties posture about this issue but never solve the problem.

they don't think about why Republicans do not vote on immigration reform....that would mean that people like Trump actually has to pay a fair wage....and yes, Trump hotels hire illegal immigrants.
 
Clara hasn't even attempted to justify her white kid from Colorado statement. Except to declare an oopsie. It must have been that white kid from California, who, judging from the article she posted as backup, must be that white kid living in Virginia.

Facts don't seem to matter.

notice she provided no link...both of you swallow it up because it suits your agenda...there ius no whoopsie...I dont give names of people in violation of HIPAA...learn the law...not my problem you have no issue with breaking laws
 
From the CBC

Trump threatens to send military to southern border with Mexico

President Donald Trump on Thursday said he would deploy the U.S. military and close the southern border if Mexico did not move to halt large groups of migrants headed for the United States from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

"I must, in the strongest of terms, ask Mexico to stop this onslaught — and if unable to do so I will call up the U.S. Military and CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER!" Trump wrote on Twitter.

Trump threatened to withhold regional aid as a caravan with several thousand Honduran migrants journeyed this week through Guatemala to Mexico in hopes of crossing the U.S.-Mexico border and escaping endemic violence and poverty in Central America.

COMMENT:-

Since those troops will "... not perform law enforcement duties or have contact with migrants at the border.", exactly what will they be doing?

Please note that I'm not in the least questioning Mr. Trump's right to "deploy American troops to bolster America's national security", I'm just asking "WTF difference does he think that this is going to make unless the ROE get changed to allow the troops to shoot on sight?".

PS - Mr. Trump is also making noises about abrogating the terms of NAFTA 2.0 even before it has been formally adopted - or even afterwards if the Mexicans don't do - in Mexico (regardless of what the laws of Mexico are) - what they are told to do by the President of the United States of America. This, of course, is going to bolster the degree of confidence that the Mexican government has that the US government will actually abide by NAFTA 2.0.

I expect a disaster. Trump can't handle or respond to the situation properly. He says we are being invaded. Trump could turn guns on those people, or detain and separate them. Its not going to end good
 
Trump should immediately stop all aid to central american nations until they demonstrate they are actively helping America rectify this issue. Vote for dems people and this is what youre going to get on a scale that dwarfs this. Theyve made no effort to even hide their desires to let illegals flood across our borders. They want these people voting for them and giving America the middle finger with an F.U. topping. Just look at the people defending this invasion. Disgusts me.

do you even know what those amounts are or what they provide? Juan Orlando doesnt care if you shut off medication and food aid....and the result of that is more people fleeing.
 
some things take an act of congress. liberals refuse to secure our border constantly push for amnesty to people that have broken our laws
just for votes.

you dont have votes to actually shut down the border and Trump cant legally shut it down....remember that takes Congress and keeping in or out citizens would violate the Constitution
 
you dont have votes to actually shut down the border and Trump cant legally shut it down....remember that takes Congress and keeping in or out citizens would violate the Constitution

Under Title 8, Section 1182 of the U.S. Code, the president has authority to use a proclamation to suspend the entry of “any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States [who] would be detrimental to the interests of the United States,” for however long he deems necessary. This provision was included in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952.
 
Breaking News Update!

Trump tweets nation emergency. Puts military on alert this morning.


(Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Sadly, it looks like Mexico’s Police and Military are unable to stop the Caravan heading to the Southern Border of the United States. Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners are mixed in. I have alerted Border Patrol and Military that this is a National Emergy.)




Kudos to our magnificent leader. It's time to finally stop the browning of America.
 
As long as they are there to actually help arrest and detain illegal crossers then I have no problem with the military on the border. But if its this bull**** that Bush or Obama did of only having the military on the border to notify border guard of illegal crossing with no authority to arrest or detain illegal crossers then I don't support that. There are people who already do that **** for free.

Trump said it wasn't going to be the Reserves either, but Active units. I hope they bring tanks and Apache helicopters.
 
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