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[W:385]Elizabeth Warren releases DNA test with 'strong evidence' of Native American ancestry

Conservative said:
And Like I said, you have no problem with any radical using whatever they can including making things up to gain personal power?
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Not true. I have a huge problems when you make things up in here as you do all the time.

Conservative said:
Tell me exactly what you radicals want because all I see is divisiveness, hate rhetoric, and yet with nothing specific as to the kind of country you want. Obviously the economic results being generated don't meet your standards so what does? You think Warren is the answer? Schumer? Pelosi? Cortez? How about Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters?
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Honesty. Which is far too much for any trumpanzee to understand lest grasp.

Conservative said:
JFK is turning over in his grave with this group of radicals and people like you who offer truly nothing but exploiting minorities and ethnic groups
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JFK is a liberal no matter how much you want to rewrite history. A tax cut for the rich from 90% down to 70% doesn't make him a con. His is a social welfare social programs liberal.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren releases DNA test with 'strong evidence' of Native American ancestry

Threegoofs said:
She didnt lie about her ancestry at all. She said she had distant ancestors, and she did.

In fact, her not so distant ancestors actually knew that those more distant ancestors were Cherokee and Delaware, and since the 'one drop' rule was an actual thing in their lifetime, they really were hyperaware of their ancestry.
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Never heard of the Delaware connection, only reference I have seen is Cherokee, can you back that up?

Probably would be matter if like the Cherokee connection from her "not so distant" ancestors because that was hand-me-down stories as Warren herself has admitted. Every family has them and they usually grow with the retelling of each new generation. Nothing more than a story, not proof of anything. If stories are all that count, my family says we had two men of different generations who where said to have married Cherokee women but, to me they are just one of many stories the grandparents told and nothing more.

You do know that the results of that DNA was not measured against any North American natives, it came from 37 Latin American people determined by PCA to have indigenous ancestry.
 
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maxparrish said:
Again, as a person of integrity, I don't debate straw men. Your resistance to begin with full and accurate disclosure of the facts is most disappointing. Hence, once again, I will remind you (in red):

"1) She said her mom told her family lineage had Native American in it." She actually has said that her mother and aunt talked about how her 'grand-grand-grand mother' was a Cherokee Indian and that on her fathers side there was a bit of Deleware.

"2) She was proud of that and once claimed in college she had Native American lineage." Actually "in college" she was a white person, never claiming anything about her lineage or being a native american. It was not till 1983 (?) that she publicly claimed to be a Native American, Cherokee. She did so when looking for new employment, eventually landing at University of Penn. The ruse continued for 11 years or so, but she dropped the personae in 1995, after obtaining tenure status at Harvard(

3) "SHE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY BENEFITS FROM IT. (No matter what conspiratorial LIE you guys come up with you can never prove otherwise)."Incorrect. It is unknown she received any benefits from it. While two individuals involved in her hiring (one at Univ. of Penn and one at Harvard) claimed they don't recall or that they are sure it did not play a role, Warren's unwillingness to release her personnel records and the relative silence from most of those witnesses leave it an open question - her hire being especially curious given her dubious research work.

4) She did a DNA test and voila, she has distant relations to Native American lineage. You do know that is irrelevant, don't you? She did a DNA test and voila, 99.7 percent of her relations are/were white. Ergo, she is not a Native American nor a Cherokee as she had once claimed.



What this "amounts to" is self-evident to everyone but the Warren choir:

a) Warren and her family have always been a white Euro-American family whose cultural makeup is 100 percent white, and whose genetic makeup is a "poster white child" for American Euro-Americans (99.7% pure).

b) Warren's family "lore", be it serious story-telling about Cherokee roots or not (her nephew termed it "a family rumor') was mythological wishful thinking - her genetics NOT being an identified (1/32) grandparent but from an unknown person someone 8 times more diluted (1/256).

c) For a period of time in Warren's work history, she claimed to be a Native American with Cherokee ancestry. She didn't do so because she was mistaken or because she was culturally delusional (e.g. as is Racheal Dozell), but because she did what many have done - seek a professional advantage and privileging through dubious claims of ethnic and/or racial minority status - a character flaw WHETHER OR NOT it played a role in her employment or tenure.

Finally, this issue would have been next to nothing had she the integrity to admit that what she did was foolish and ill-thought out, and that she should not have done so. Warren refuses.

So until such time as she and her supporters do so, it will vex her political career.
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All that just to say you know the DNA proved her right without wanting to admit it. :lol:
 
maxparrish said:
Until such time as you can show that the core right-wing criticism of Warren on this issue was based on her not having a trace of Native American DNA, you're dodging. Other than Trump, who has interlaced his valid ridicule of "Pocahontas" with hyperbolics you won't find it.

In 2012 the controversy exploded with the revelation that she claimed she was IN FACT a Native American and a Cherokee. There is no doubt that is wrong and little doubt that it was an intentional lie.
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It was family lore. And you righties are so butthurt about it while your messiah actually does LIE DAILY and about things that actually matter. :lol:
 
poweRob said:
Not true. I have a huge problems when you make things up in here as you do all the time.



Honesty. Which is far too much for any trumpanzee to understand lest grasp.



JFK is a liberal no matter how much you want to rewrite history. A tax cut for the rich from 90% down to 70% doesn't make him a con. His is a social welfare social programs liberal.
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You make wild claims about me makin things up with the reality is your entire ideology is made up of lies. I have made the same commitment over and over again that if you prove any of the official data I post is incorrect I will apologize and leave this forum. You on the other hand continue to pass your opinions and radical beliefs off as fact. Wish I knew exactly what you radicals want because all I see is hate rhetoric and promotion of chaos and division.

We have had Federal Income Tax cuts four times in modern history, JFK, Reagan, and Bush before Trump. So Liberal JFK got it, you cut taxes to increase economic activity and that is what he did

So either tell me exactly what the Democratic Party stands for and what results generated are they going to reverse?
 
poweRob said:
It was family lore. And you righties are so butthurt about it while your messiah actually does LIE DAILY and about things that actually matter. :lol:
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Lies? Want me to post the Obama lies that actually hurt the American people? What lies has Trump said as it appears his rhetoric trumps the actual results in your liberal world.
 
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poweRob said:
All that just to say you know the DNA proved her right without wanting to admit it. :lol:
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Warren's DNA seems to be really of importance to you, why? What makes the difference what her DNA shows and why doesn't it bother you that she used DNA to advance her personal career?
 
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Sabre said:
Never heard of the Delaware connection, only reference I have seen is Cherokee, can you back that up?

Probably would be matter if like the Cherokee connection from her "not so distant" ancestors because that was hand-me-down stories as Warren herself has admitted. Every family has them and they usually grow with the retelling of each new generation. Nothing more than a story, not proof of anything. If stories are all that count, my family says we had two men of different generations who where said to have married Cherokee women but, to me they are just one of many stories the grandparents told and nothing more.

You do know that the results of that DNA was not measured against any North American natives, it came from 37 Latin American people determined by PCA to have indigenous ancestry.
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DNA is complicated. I’ll stick with the expert.

And Warren has spoken of her ancestry. You apparently haven’t bothered to actually listen to her story since you don’t know it....I’m sure you’re getting all your info from the Daily Caller.

Get back to me when you listen to her side.
 
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Threegoofs said:
DNA is complicated. I’ll stick with the expert.

And Warren has spoken of her ancestry. You apparently haven’t bothered to actually listen to her story since you don’t know it....I’m sure you’re getting all your info from the Daily Caller.

Get back to me when you listen to her side.
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No getting back other than this, you are way off base as to where I get information and just so you will know, it's never based on a single news outlet - your mind is made up so no further discussion is necessary.
 
Sabre said:
No getting back other than this, you are way off base as to where I get information and just so you will know, it's never based on a single news outlet - your mind is made up so no further discussion is necessary.
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Well, it’s sure not based on reality, or you would have known that basic fact.

But feel free to run away. You’re not the fort who has slunk away in shame.
 
poweRob said:
I'm quite sure your not intelligent enough to realize the hypocrisy of what you just wrote here.



To me it doesn't matter much. To you right wingers it seems to matter a ton. You guys are the ones who made such a massive deal about it all. Not the left. She told a family lore story to the public, DNA proved it true, and you guys just can't get over it.
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*You guys are the ones who made such a massive deal about it all.

Seriously ?? Elizabeth Warren fraudulently claimed minority status (cultural appropriation), gets called on it and 'us guys made a big deal outbof it', that's just plain frickin funny. :lamo
 
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Threegoofs said:
DNA is complicated. I’ll stick with the expert.

And Warren has spoken of her ancestry. You apparently haven’t bothered to actually listen to her story since you don’t know it....I’m sure you’re getting all your info from the Daily Caller.

Get back to me when you listen to her side.
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Tell me something Threegoofs, do you believe it's credible to claim minority status based on 'my mama said so', I mean being a Law Professor and all ??
 
Conservative said:
The question is why? I don't understand an ideology that creates this kind of loyalty and support when the results clearly Show failure. There's never anything called personal responsibility in the Progressive liberal world of today.

The Nanny state has failed everywhere in the world and yet this group of progressives is going to try to implement what other groups have failed to implement but they keep trying

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I honestly believe it's some sort of state for them that promotes moral indignation in the morning and enforcing the belief that when their head hits that pillow at night. They feel as morally gratified with all their screams and hate, just in time for it to start again in the morning once over again, till the end of time. Because they basically aren't capable of anything meaningful anywhere else in their lives.
 
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MSgt said:
You sure you aren't wounded? Because it seems to me that you conservatives have played off of this "Pocahontas" game for years, only to come to a point in time where even a DNA test won't curb your enthusiasm to senselessly degenerate. Now, you all are pretending that you were always just upset over the degree of Native American blood or that she benefited from that percentage, despite everybody declaring that it made no difference? A few more percents and she could be Chief of the Cherokee Nation (He only has 3.1%).

It was partisan BS last year, and it is partisan BS now.



Other than what I believe is good for the nation, why would I care so much about minorities either way? I'm white, not a bleeding-heart liberal, and smart. This means that I understand that this conservative whining is entirely based on partisan stupidity. How sad that you people can go from laughing with your Republican presidential nominee over American POW denigration to being concerned over a proven declaration of Native American blood from a Democrat. So, yes, once again, your conservative need to denigrate "the enemy" has you off the mark.
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Okay, I'm going to attempt not to laugh long enough at your display to teach you a few things, though if my experience in dealing with you proves to remain constant. Then you will just deny to listen, shut your ears, and keep murmuring the same stupid song while I talk.

1: The very reason this is going on is not because there is any malice towards whatever you perceive as denigration. Warren took advantage of a system that she could exploit and rode that wave to a political career, claiming she was a Native American minority all the way through the ride. She got caught by one of her own political rivals and the news became common knowledge. She is the source of her own denigration in this matter and even now she continues to ride the lie, despite how much it is hurting her chances. The republicans are just sitting in the back seat, pointing their finger and laughing. With nary a hand on the steering wheel.

2: Yes you are white, or so you say, but you do act like a bleeding-heart liberal more than you think. I hate to also inform you that people who are actually smart, don't have to pronounce it to the whole world.

It is a quality that comes through in their actions and words. A process that you've just revealed, to not have the simplest grasp of.

You want to make this about republicans and conservatives being mean to Warren about her own past mistakes, sure. They can be a bit mean in their actions, but you are willfully ignoring her own cause in her own suffering. Had she come clean and not kicked the dead horse that was her claim to being a minority, kicked mind you, into almost a fine powdery substance at this point. This would not be so funny for us and it would've ended over a year ago. Despite Donald's use of a stupid pet name for the woman.

Also; don't dig up McCain's body just so you can use him as your own moral bludgeon. Even Trump let that issue go when the man passed, so even now you are revealing just how much more of an adult he is when compared to you.
 
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marke said:
Pocohontas had a reason for claiming she was American Indian in spite of the fact that she is still whiter than most white Americans watching this circus act play itself out.
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So we have gone from declaring her a liar to now declaring that her passed DNA test leaves her more white than Indian? The pathetic thing is that after you people bring the tent, erect it, and begin acting like clowns, you pretend that the circus comes from another source.
 
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Taylor said:
Uh... no. It doesn't make her "I'm a minority" claim true. Quite the opposite.
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Um...yes. It makes her claim that she has Native American ancestry true, which is the only thing she and conservatives cared about prior to her DNA test. Even Trump is on record for not caring about the Cherokee part. The only thing Trump and his conservative loyalists cared about was calling her a liar and dubbing her "Pocahontas," who was not even Cherokee.

Oh, but now, we wish to change our whining to something else and pretend that our grievance runs deeper? It's obtuse BS.
 
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hanger4 said:
1/64th (1.6) to 1/1024th (0.098) Native American is hardly grounds to claim minority status, which she did, and being a Law Professor she certainly knows 'because mama said so' is not good enough but fraudulent.
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Did FOX News just run a special on what a "minority status" is and how to avoid or something for you all? As always, you people all seem to have your identical marching orders on how to avoid past behavior and the actual issue.

- She declared that she had Native American ancestry, based on a family story about a Cherokee background.
- Trump declared that she does not and called her Pocahontas, who was not even Cherokee!
- According to the DNA test, she, in fact, does have Native ancestry.

Like I stated, in which none of you want to touch, the current Chief of the Cherokee tribe is only 3.1% Cherokee. This is how diluted the DNA record has become when identifying specific tribes. Therefore, this entire uproar over "Pocahontas" is entirely based on her political status as a Democrat. It's the same old conservative story of obsessive denigration and shifting narratives to "win."
 
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MSgt said:
Did FOX News just run a special on what a "minority status" is and how to avoid or something for you all? As always, you people all seem to have your identical marching orders on how to avoid past behavior and the actual issue.

- She declared that she had Native American ancestry, based on a family story about a Cherokee background.
- Trump declared that she does not and called her Pocahontas, who was not even Cherokee!
- According to the DNA test, she, in fact, does have Native ancestry.

Like I stated, in which none of you want to touch, the current Chief of the Cherokee tribe is only 3.1% Cherokee. This is how diluted the DNA record has become when identifying specific tribes. Therefore, this entire uproar over "Pocahontas" is entirely based on her political status as a Democrat. It's the same old conservative story of obsessive denigration and shifting narratives to "win."
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Like you keep ignoring, John Baker was voted in as Chief of the Cherokee nation, he was not given that station because of how much Indian blood he possessed. Besides, he has lived as a part of that world for what could be considered is entire life and in doing so, his claim to that world is far and away more valid than anything Warren can imagine.

She is at fault here, not the republicans. Who's only crime is striking at a very obvious chink in the armor.
 
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Conservative said:
No, sorry you haven't opinions aren't facts and you provide a lot of opinions. Elizabeth Warren provided a statement that you bought as fact, the DNA test has been disputed by the Cherokee Indians but of course they have no credibility because that isn't what you want to believe.
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- Warren provided a fact, in which a DNA test proved was, indeed, a fact.
- The DNA test cannot be disputed because DNA, despite conservatives really wanting science to be stupid, is DNA. The Cherokee are complaining about the percentage, not that the DNA test is wrong.

At this stage of the game, and considering your record of posts, I have to assume that not knowing what a fact is may probably be why your posts are less than.

Conservative said:
For every so called fact you post I can counter with the OFFICIAL data from bea.gov, bls.gov, and Treasury.org for those are the only sites credibility in providing economic data.
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As I suspected. This is just about your inability to make an argument that glorifies Orange Leader an an economic genius who did not inherit the trend. Give it a rest. You have been proven wrong over and over and over again by multiple people, so jumping onto threads and dropping "bea.gov, bls.gov and Treasury.org" with the idea that you counter anything, and in the hopes that somebody somewhere might believe that you have a clue has become pathetic. The last I saw from you, you were trying to invoke the ghost of Ronald Reagan to denigrate Obama and glorify Trump.

Conservative said:
The left has made an art out of exploitation and today's Democratic Party would be out of business without the brainwashed minorities who buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. African American and Hispanic unemployment is at historic lows under Trump, something Obama, our first black President never achieved and yet keep exploiting these people and spreading the liberal lies.

You think you are going to get the native American vote because of exploitation? Better start coming up with some issues and not personality and hatred which is all you offer
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Ah, so my "personal failure" is about the Democrat Party's use of minorities? That was my "personal failure?" Another conservative (Renea) asked me once why, as an Independent, I always criticize only conservatives. It's because this is how you all behave now. You all have embraced a culture of irrationality that relies on an eventual lashing out, because your entire premise is now BS from the start.

As I have stated enough times to you, I am not a registered Democrat nor a Republican. I leave that bit of pretend nationalism to the sheep as you scurry about pretending that you give a damn about anything beyond the end of your noses. I don't really care if Democrats get the Native American vote.
 
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Oborosen said:
Okay, I'm going to attempt not to laugh long enough at your display to teach you a few things, though if my experience in dealing with you proves to remain constant. Then you will just deny to listen, shut your ears, and keep murmuring the same stupid song while I talk.
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The problem is that your experience with others involve you spewing partisan garbage while others rebuke and tire of your personal need to "win" no matter how absurd your partisan argument is. For example:

Oborosen said:
1: The very reason this is going on is not because there is any malice towards whatever you perceive as denigration. Warren took advantage of a system that she could exploit and rode that wave to a political career, claiming she was a Native American minority all the way through the ride. She got caught by one of her own political rivals and the news became common knowledge. She is the source of her own denigration in this matter and even now she continues to ride the lie, despite how much it is hurting her chances. The republicans are just sitting in the back seat, pointing their finger and laughing. With nary a hand on the steering wheel.
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1. Yet, the evidence from the voices of politics and university declare that her status had nothing to do with anything. So, once again, we are back to a decrepit partisan game where Republicans need to exaggerate, shift narratives, lie, and avoid in order to "win."

Oborosen said:
2: Yes you are white, or so you say, but you do act like a bleeding-heart liberal more than you think. I hate to also inform you that people who are actually smart, don't have to pronounce it to the whole world.

It is a quality that comes through in their actions and words. A process that you've just revealed, to not have the simplest grasp of.
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2. I think you confuse a "bleeding-heart liberal" for decency and common sense. This is one of the biggest problems among conservatives. You people deny your empathy in order to cling to broken ideologies. But here you are whining for the defense of the Cherokee Nation. What a "bleeding-heart." See how your posts eventually leave your arguments absurd? It's because they are based on busted ideologies. But you want to "win," huh?

And it's not like I declared to be a "stable genius," so settle your nerves and try to make better arguments. For example:

Oborosen said:
You want to make this about republicans and conservatives being mean to Warren about her own past mistakes, sure. They can be a bit mean in their actions, but you are willfully ignoring her own cause in her own suffering. Had she come clean and not kicked the dead horse that was her claim to being a minority, kicked mind you, into almost a fine powdery substance at this point. This would not be so funny for us and it would've ended over a year ago. Despite Donald's use of a stupid pet name for the woman.

Also; don't dig up McCain's body just so you can use him as your own moral bludgeon. Even Trump let that issue go when the man passed, so even now you are revealing just how much more of an adult he is when compared to you.
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You may want to turn FOX News off and discover reality:

- It wasn't Warren who threw parades over the idea of "Pocahontas."
- It wasn't the liberal base that constantly tapped that well and kicked that horse.
- Trump, himself, brought "Pocohontas" up just a few weeks ago at a rally before the DNA test came out on September 30.
- Now that she took the DNA test, it's you people who are avoiding and exaggerating your years-long worth of denigration into something more studious such as percentages.
- And it damn sure is still going to be a Trump feature of degeneration in 2020 for the flock, despite Warren not running as a Native American.

Like so many other issues, you people employ exaggerations, deceits, and outright lies to avoid your own behaviors and you lash out wildly when others won't allow you your fantasies. Here you wish the narrative to state that it has been Warren who has been on and on and on, despite the reality. Just like it is with Hilary Clinton, it's you people who are on and on and on.

And McCain's death will never allow any of you to avoid how you all behaved towards him. Nobody is going to forget just so that conservatives can re-write their extremist history so that they could worship a demagogue. But "letting McCain rest" is a FOX News narrative now, isn't it? Just another way to try to avoid.

Smart people, think for themselves and make better posts. It's a quality routinely seen in my posts, not yours.
 
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Oborosen said:
Like you keep ignoring, John Baker was voted in as Chief of the Cherokee nation, he was not given that station because of how much Indian blood he possessed. Besides, he has lived as a part of that world for what could be considered is entire life and in doing so, his claim to that world is far and away more valid than anything Warren can imagine.
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Let me know when a person of 0% Native American DNA makes tribal Chief.

It is not about who is more valid. Its about a simple statement, by which science proved. She has never tried to become a tribal member, nor is she running for Chief.

Oborosen said:
She is at fault here, not the republicans. Who's only crime is striking at a very obvious chink in the armor.
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She is not at fault, because she declared to have Native American blood in which she does.

The "chink" in the armor is partisan BS, especially when the Republican leader declared that she has no Indian blood. The "chink" is based on a personal need to shift the narrative and defend Donald Trump. The "chink" is the republican's own culture of irrationality.
 
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MSgt said:
The problem is that your experience with others involve you spewing partisan garbage while others rebuke and tire of your personal need to "win" no matter how absurd your partisan argument is. For example:



1. Yet, the evidence from the voices of politics and university declare that her status had nothing to do with anything. So, once again, we are back to a decrepit partisan game where Republicans need to exaggerate, shift narratives, lie, and avoid in order to "win."



2. I think you confuse a "bleeding-heart liberal" for decency and common sense. This is one of the biggest problems among conservatives. You people deny your empathy in order to cling to broken ideologies. But here you are whining for the defense of the Cherokee Nation. What a "bleeding-heart." See how your posts eventually leave your arguments absurd? It's because they are based on busted ideologies. But you want to "win," huh?

And it's not like I declared to be a "stable genius," so settle your nerves and try to make better arguments. For example:



You may want to turn FOX News off and discover reality:

- It wasn't Warren who threw parades over the idea of "Pocahontas."
- It wasn't the liberal base that constantly tapped that well and kicked that horse.
- Trump, himself, brought "Pocohontas" up just a few weeks ago at a rally before the DNA test came out on September 30.
- Now that she took the DNA test, it's you people who are avoiding and exaggerating your years-long worth of denigration into something more studious such as percentages.
- And it damn sure is still going to be a Trump feature of degeneration in 2020 for the flock, despite Warren not running as a Native American.

Like so many other issues, you people employ exaggerations, deceits, and outright lies to avoid your own behaviors and you lash out wildly when others won't allow you your fantasies. Here you wish the narrative to state that it has been Warren who has been on and on and on, despite the reality. Just like it is with Hilary Clinton, it's you people who are on and on and on.

Smart people, think for themselves and make better posts. It's a quality routinely seen in my posts, not yours.
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Yet you seem to still persist in plugging your ears and doing more of the same.

You're ignoring what Warren has done and how that history has trapped her.

You continue to hang on the concept that republicans and to that extension Trump, pretending that they are the only guilty party in all of this. Despite how you have been shown time and time again that this is Warren's doing as well.

Once again, claiming that you're smart is a poor substitute for actually portraying that that quality.

If you're going to continue to ignore how this all started, then it's obvious you're just wholly ignorant of the reality of things, or just a fallacy spouting troll like so many others.

Also this right here.
And McCain's death will never allow any of you to avoid how you all behaved towards him. Nobody is going to forget just so that conservatives can re-write their extremist history so that they could worship a demagogue. But "letting McCain rest" is a FOX News narrative now, isn't it? Just another way to try to avoid.
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I never said that I didn't care for his treatment, nor did I say that I was fine with Trump making those remarks. While you on the other hand are completely fine in abusing MnCain's memory for your own benefit. You make claims of some extremist history, or calling Trump a demagogue, when that is exactly the same kind of person you are purporting to be at this very moment. You bitch and deride others all this time, when I have spoken nothing but fact to you.

So either you are a troll, or you are completely incapable of introspection in the simplest form.

Do you have an actual answer this time, or are you going to dig up another innocent body and use it as a shield?
 
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MSgt said:
Let me know when a person of 0% Native American DNA makes tribal Chief.

It is not about who is more valid. Its about a simple statement, by which science proved. She has never tried to become a tribal member, nor is she running for Chief.



She is not at fault, because she declared to have Native American blood in which she does.

The "chink" in the armor is partisan BS, especially when the Republican leader declared that she has no Indian blood. The "chink" is based on a personal need to shift the narrative and defend Donald Trump. The "chink" is the republican's own culture of irrationality.
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The why did she claim to be a minority?
 
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Oborosen said:
Yet you seem to still persist in plugging your ears and doing more of the same.

You're ignoring what Warren has done and how that history has trapped her.
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You keep ignoring that government and university has declared that she gained no favor from what she checked off on a form long ago. So what exactly has she done that conservatives actually think anybody else is going to fooled about? That Native Americans are victims of Warren tyranny? Careful....don't want to be a bleeding-heart liberal!

Oborosen said:
You continue to hang on the concept that republicans and to that extension Trump, pretending that they are the only guilty party in all of this. Despite how you have been shown time and time again that this is Warren's doing as well.

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So either you are a troll, or you are completely incapable of introspection in the simplest form.

Do you have an actual answer this time, or are you going to dig up another innocent body and use it as a shield?
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"Hanging on to the concept?" Let us see what that "simplest form" is as I answer this obtuseness again (and for the last time)...

- She declared to have Native American blood and chose Cherokee in the 1980s, based on family stories.
- Trump declared her a liar and stated that she had no "Indian blood."
- Trump used "Pocahontas" as a derogatory term to the glee of his ignorant flock, despite Pocahontas not being Cherokee.
- After a coupe years of Republicans beating this horse, Warren took a DNA test and showed that she does indeed have Native American blood.

That is the simplest form. I will now re-produce Politifact in order to demonstrate the "simplest form:"

Warren said she grew up with family stories about both grandparents on her mother’s side having some Cherokee or Delaware blood.
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After years of mockery from President Donald Trump, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass. –– likely anticipating a run for president –– has released a DNA report on her Native American roots.

Trump ridiculed Warren with the nickname Pocahontas since at least 2016. As we’ve noted before, that goes back to a time in the mid 1980s when Warren first indicated on law school faculty forms that she had Native American ancestry.

No documents supported that, and Trump once said she had as much Native American blood as he did, and he had none. At a July 5 rally in Montana, he challenged her to take a DNA test.

"I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian," Trump said.

Trump now denies saying that, but in any event, Warren did get tested and the results did find Native American ancestry. We asked four experts to review her report and they all found it credible.

That doesn’t mean the woman was pure Cherokee. Counting back the generations, that woman would have been born roughly in the middle of the 1800s. By then there was plenty of mixing of different groups. What followed, however, was unpredictable.

"Different families and groups interacted in different ways with European settlers in the region," Bolnick said. "When there was intermarriage, the offspring sometimes became part of indigenous communities, and sometimes they identified with non-indigenous groups."

Tribal identity, she said, is more cultural than biological. On top of that, tribes don’t have unique DNA.
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Beyond this "simplest form," we have you burnt people now shifting the narrative to whine about what percentages mean and declaring that she wrongfully benefited, despite the evidence declaring that she did not benefit. Like so many other things that defy irrationality, you people choose to "hang on to your concepts." Republicans are wrong, yet again, because they were led in their haste to denigrate. Now you all turn to "legitimize" a complaint about whether or not she benefited from a percentage, as if this erases the past behavior and as if any of you give a damn either way.
 
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