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ICE put a 4-year-old on a plane to Guatemala. Her dad found out 30 minutes before she landed

If I was the father, I would say it is not my child. Let the Americans take care of their own trash.
 
vesper said:
If this story is true, let's not forget it was the parent of the 4 year old who put the child in perilous danger traveling from Guatemala to the U.S. border most likely using coyotes. Whether they crossed at San Diego CA, Arizona or Texas, they didn't get that far on their own. Then the parents chose to enter this country illegally knowing the risk if they were caught could be separated from their child. Also we don't have any details why the parent was deported without his child. Did the parent request the child stay safe here for a time in which he could provide a safer place to care for her? We don't know because the damn story is short on details.

Having to spend one night in a shelter till her father could pick her up hardly sounds traumatic after the actions of the parent caused a 6 month separation in the first place.
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Bingo! Agree
 
SheWolf said:
You have no valid argument to detain people at the boarder instead of sending them back. If you want to flat out deny that that is what is happening, then you need to learn the facts before posting in this topic.
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They DON'T detain them unless they illegally cross the boarder.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From CNN

ICE put a 4-year-old on a plane to Guatemala. Her dad found out 30 minutes before she landed
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(CNN)Six months after US officials separated them at the border, ICE put a 4-year-old girl on a plane to Guatemala this week so she could be reunited with her father.

But there was one major problem, according to advocates who worked on the case: The man didn't learn his daughter was coming until 30 minutes before her flight was set to land in Guatemala City.

He lives eight hours away -- too far to get there in time. After half a year apart from her father, the girl would have to spend another night in a shelter alone.

The case sparked fury and frustration this week from advocates working to help reunite children with deported parents. It's an example, they said, of a reunification effort that remains needlessly chaotic at times, even months after a federal judge ordered the US government to reunite the immigrant families it separated.

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OK, it happened, it shouldn't have, but it did. Now move on and fix the admin screw ups that caused it to happen.

BUT, that wasn't what really caught my eye about the article. It was the children whose parents decided that leaving them in American foster care was better than taking them back to their country of origin.

What happens to the "immigration status" of those children since they are "illegal immigrants". Do they automatically become American citizens? If not, do they have to apply? If so, do the foster care agencies have any obligation to tell them that they must apply? If they do have to apply and they don't, are they still "illegal immigrants" even though they have been in the custody of the American government for the vast majority of their lives? If they are still "illegal immigrants", does that mean that they are subject to "removal proceedings" whenever the government feels like it?

I really don't know the answers to those questions, do you? If you do, do you agree with those answers (remembering that the child has absolutely ZERO say in whether they are in the US or not)?
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This is a story about people who don’t give a rip about anything. Kids, laws, child exploitation. The parent should be arrested for child abuse the second they set foot on US soil. And I’m surprised the grandfather didn’t treat it like a scam.
 
SLC said:
They DON'T detain them unless they illegally cross the boarder.
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Your facts are wrong. Many went to legal check points seeking asylum and refugee status, and were detained. Fox News sees such groups of people heading towards the boarder and call it an invasion. All the US needed to do, was refuse entry and turn them away. Instead the Trump Admin has taken such groups into custody, separated them, and went on TV arguing it was the right thing to do because the kids could have been sex slaves and the adults MS13. Once they are sorted out, they are charged if they can be, then possibly deported. We are still working out reunification. Like I said, this is going to be an ugly stain on American history.
 
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SheWolf said:
Your facts are wrong. Many went to legal check points seeking asylum and refugee status, and were detained. Fox News sees such groups of people heading towards the boarder and call it an invasion. All the US needed to do, was refuse entry and turn them away. Instead the Trump Admin has taken such groups into custody, separated them, and went on TV arguing it was the right thing to do because the kids could have been sex slaves and the adults MS13. Once they are sorted out, they are charged if they can be, then possibly deported. We are still working out reunification. Like I said, this is going to be an ugly stain on American history.
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I already pointed out in post #40, the "immigrants" are told to say the word "asylum". That magic word initially nixes most of our immigration requirements and opens the magic door for the "immigrant" to put foot on American soil. Federal agents cannot refuse entry and turn them away.
 
PeteEU said:
Correct.. Korean War orphans who were adopted by Americans but the government of the time screwed up the paperwork... were deported back to South Korea as adults because they were not American citizens. This happened under Obama btw.

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Happened "under Obama", how clever of you, it's a problem decades in the making.
And what you're implying of course, the way your stupid remark makes it sound, is that Trump would call for leniency?
Are you just being an ass?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Happened "under Obama", how clever of you, it's a problem decades in the making.
And what you're implying of course, the way your stupid remark makes it sound, is that Trump would call for leniency?
Are you just being an ass?
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Good grief, man.

Name-calling on this board has definitely reached its peak.
 
Barnacle said:
I already pointed out in post #40, the "immigrants" are told to say the word "asylum". That magic word initially nixes most of our immigration requirements and opens the magic door for the "immigrant" to put foot on American soil. Federal agents cannot refuse entry and turn them away.
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Again, you're wrong. They are turned away or they are arrested, for asking for asylum.
Furthermore, even if they are admitted for processing as refugees seeking asylum, they have to meet the requirements, and many do not, most do not.

But even though Federal agents cannot legally turn them away, there is an enormous amount of video of that very thing happening, which you probably ignored or labeled "fake news".

For the record I haven't got a problem with turning refugees away for asking for asylum if they don't meet the criteria.
We cannot save everyone. However, I do demand that we follow our own laws. And we aren't at this time...we ARE arresting or turning away asylum seekers.

Just telling them to ask for asylum has never guaranteed that they would get asylum, and of course you know that, unless you're living in a fantasy world.

No need to respond with the typical Barnacle answer, I won't be reading it.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Happened "under Obama", how clever of you, it's a problem decades in the making.
And what you're implying of course, the way your stupid remark makes it sound, is that Trump would call for leniency?
Are you just being an ass?
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No I am pointing out a decades long problem with immigration in the US.. hell century if you really want to get into it and the complicity of the US in the Holocaust.. but hey we can just talk about the last say 30 years. And Trump would never ever call for leniency.. not in his DNA.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Again, you're wrong. They are turned away or they are arrested, for asking for asylum.
Furthermore, even if they are admitted for processing as refugees seeking asylum, they have to meet the requirements, and many do not, most do not.

But even though Federal agents cannot legally turn them away, there is an enormous amount of video of that very thing happening, which you probably ignored or labeled "fake news".

For the record I haven't got a problem with turning refugees away for asking for asylum if they don't meet the criteria.
We cannot save everyone. However, I do demand that we follow our own laws. And we aren't at this time...we ARE arresting or turning away asylum seekers.

Just telling them to ask for asylum has never guaranteed that they would get asylum, and of course you know that, unless you're living in a fantasy world.

No need to respond with the typical Barnacle answer, I won't be reading it.
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No wonder you're getting all "excited" ... ha ha ha ... you didn't understand one word of what I wrote.

And I certainly didn't write that asking for asylum guarantees them getting asylum.
 
marke said:
Democrat logic: Send the swat team in with loaded assault weapons to take Elian by force to ship his crying butt back to Cuba from where his mother fled and died trying to bring him to freedom in America.
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Republican logic: Ignore the fact that a United States district court ruling from the Southern District of Florida that only González's father, and not his extended relatives, could petition for asylum on the boy's behalf was upheld by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. Let all of the "cute" looking "illegal immigrants" into the country (provided that they are White and Christian). Ignore the fact that the boy's mother kidnapped him and that the boy's father had legal custody of him.

That


In 2015, González was studying to be an industrial engineer, and hoped to marry his high school sweetheart and fiancée, after finishing college. He stated that although he did not regret returning to Cuba, he would like to travel to the United States one day "to give my love to the American people".[41] In July 2016, he received a degree in industrial engineering from the University of Matanzas, and read a letter to Fidel Castro from his graduating class, vowing "to fight from whatever trench the revolution demands".[56]

After graduating in 2016, González began working as a technology specialist at a state run company that makes large plastic water tanks.
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is of absolutely no consequence at all.
 
SheWolf said:
If legally adopted, they would become a citizen
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Not true.

They COULD become a citizen.

True in many cases. However


If you are a U.S. citizen who has adopted a child from another country, your child is eligible for U.S. citizenship. If you are residing in the United States with your child, U.S. citizenship can automatically be acquired once certain requirements are met.

How Your Adopted Child May Automatically Acquire U.S. Citizenship

Definition of Adopted Child

An adopted child for U.S. immigration purposes is one who satisfies all of the following requirements:

The child was legally adopted under the age of 16 years.
The child has been in the legal custody of the adoptive parents for at least two years; and
The child has resided in the physical custody of the adoptive parents for at least two years.

It is important to understand that you do not have legal custody of your child until you resume responsibility under the laws of the state and under the approval of a court of law or other appropriate government entity. This is true even if the child was residing with you before legal custody was granted.
Criteria for Automatic Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship

Once your child meets the definition of an adopted child, he or she automatically acquires U.S. citizenship once all of the following requirements are satisfied:

At least one parent is a U.S. citizen, either by birth or naturalization.
The child is under 18 years of age; and
The child is lawfully admitted to the United States as a permanent resident and is in the legal and physical custody of the U.S. citizen parent.

Once your child has met all of the requirements for automatic acquisition of citizenship, he or she is a U.S. citizen and nothing else technically needs to be done.

Please note the part in red.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Again, you're wrong. They are turned away or they are arrested, for asking for asylum.
Furthermore, even if they are admitted for processing as refugees seeking asylum, they have to meet the requirements, and many do not, most do not.

But even though Federal agents cannot legally turn them away, there is an enormous amount of video of that very thing happening, which you probably ignored or labeled "fake news".

For the record I haven't got a problem with turning refugees away for asking for asylum if they don't meet the criteria.
We cannot save everyone. However, I do demand that we follow our own laws. And we aren't at this time...we ARE arresting or turning away asylum seekers.

Just telling them to ask for asylum has never guaranteed that they would get asylum, and of course you know that, unless you're living in a fantasy world.

No need to respond with the typical Barnacle answer, I won't be reading it.
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They are only turned away or arrested if they do not present at a legal check point. Sneaking through the woods, swimming a river or coming through via coyotes does not denote someone who is attempting to do things the right way.
 
GottaGo said:
They are only turned away or arrested if they do not present at a legal check point. Sneaking through the woods, swimming a river or coming through via coyotes does not denote someone who is attempting to do things the right way.
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GottaGo said:
us points of entry.
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Video unavailable.

I just SHOWED you footage of asylum seekers being turned away FROM official US ports of entry, and now you're trying to show "official US ports of entry" in a YouTube video?

Does this mean that you didn't believe the footage that I showed you?
 
SheWolf said:
Lol. I never said these kids are our responsibility, so stop trying to project. You are fully responsible for supporting this system, fully responsible for your lack of concern, and fully responsible for your own statements.

Instead of taking people into custody at the boarder, we could just turn them away and send them back across the boarder. Instead, you want to take them into US custody and punished, and separated from their kids. This entire fiasco is a government mismanaged ****show, propelled by nothing but anger towards these people and the ignorant fear of being invaded. The US government didn't know what the hell they were doing, nor did they have a real stragety after the boarder separation and detention.

Adults have been deported. Some even gave up custody of their kids, hoping they could stay. This was an unforeseen consequence, which the US government reacted to, by sending this kid back on an airplane by themselves. They could have been abducted, and if these kids do get hurt, you're probably going to try to blame that on the parents too.

Unlike you, I expect my government to be responsible and plan stragety, and that's not what they did. They took people into custody and separated them with no real plan or stragety, other than thinking it would intimidate future illegal crossings.

The US government took one crisis, and turned into another, and another.

I am tired of people like you making excuses, and BS projections. Trump and all his supporters should have had a serious debate with the American public about their stragety and consequences. Instead you all went against the majority and went down this path without regard for nothing, but your own mislead beliefs, and now you choose to cry when it blows up in your face. And you did this in the name of my country.
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So you solution to securing the border is anyone we catch we simply turn around and send on their way free to try again the next night. And the night after that and after that until they manage to get across without being caught.

And you really think that is a viable solution.

This is what being when people let their emotions take over thei ability to think rationally.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

"Oh, hold up a sec, not the brown ones. We good?"
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Study history and that is EXACTLY what it meant in fact and in practice. Even the author of the poem was a Zionist advocating for a mono-culture country of Israel for safety of only Jews, not a diverse culture. You may not like FACTS but look it up some time.

After the first wave, it was not to populate the country nor compassion that was the motive. It was the super rich industrialists who wanted the absolute cheapest labor possible - with absolutely no government or other safety nets either. It was to drive down wages and crush attempts at unionizing.
 
joko104 said:
Study history and that is EXACTLY what it meant in fact and in practice. Even the author of the poem was a Zionist advocating for a mono-culture country of Israel for safety of only Jews, not a diverse culture. You may not like FACTS but look it up some time.
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I love facts that are relevant to what I posted. That she was a Zionist is utterly immatertial to what I posted. Again, you seem to have trouble honestly addressing what is actually posted.
After the first wave, it was not to populate the country nor compassion that was the motive. It was the super rich industrialists who wanted the absolute cheapest labor possible - with absolutely no government or other safety nets either. It was to drive down wages and crush attempts at unionizing.
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And?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Video unavailable.

I just SHOWED you footage of asylum seekers being turned away FROM official US ports of entry, and now you're trying to show "official US ports of entry" in a YouTube video?

Does this mean that you didn't believe the footage that I showed you?
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I didn't post a video.
 
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