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President Trump calls for 'severe punishment' if Saudi Arabia killed Jamal Khashoggi

Severe punishment eh? Whats he going to do charge the Saudi's rack rate at Trump hotels?
 
For a moment there you actually started to sound objective for what I believe may actually be the first time in a long while.

If you want to whine about anything that Trump says, then I suggest you leave his jokes out of the question. Because it just makes you look petty. We should all by now, that not even controlling the house as the president means you have all the power.

And all it took was for me to criticize Obama, right? Clearly, it depends on the subject. Unfortunately, the subject is often Trump...not what you people need it to be in order to avoid Trump. And the problem with trying to pass so much of what Trump declares as merely a "joke" after the backlash is that it leaves his loyalists desperate for substance. The moment you actually fool anybody into believing that you are not an enthused Trump loyalists is the moment you can start using words like "objective."

For example: In the prior post you sought to defend Orange Leader's idiocy by declaring that he can't do what he wants to because "our system is binding his hands" and because Democrats won't let him. Because of this, "we must wait." Here, you follow that post up with the idea that if he only had "all the power" he could do what he wants.

An objective person maintains the ability to assess each situation upon its own merit. The fact that Trump continues to leave nearly nothing to praise in his wake, no matter the issue, leaves one calling a piece of **** a piece of ****. In the meantime, go ahead and keep on looking for ways to avoid criticizing the moron and call that "objective" as if anybody if fooled.
 
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Currently, it's our system that is binding his hands.

Even if he wanted to do something, the democrats are probably going to try and stymie him on that as well.

For now we must wait, because that's all that we can do.

Actually it is the opposite. If Trump refuses to make a suitable rebuke of the Saudi's and does not demand that MBS resign, Congress will take up the matter. The Democrats will vote for sanctions and ending arm sales in a heartbeat and it appears they have enough GOP votes too.
 
Actually it is the opposite. If Trump refuses to make a suitable rebuke of the Saudi's and does not demand that MBS resign, Congress will take up the matter. The Democrats will vote for sanctions and ending arm sales in a heartbeat and it appears they have enough GOP votes too.

Did I miss the news?

Has someone secretly been doing "spine implants" to Senators and Representatives?

Do you honestly think that the Republicans have the cojones to vote in favour of something that Mr. Trump doesn't want to happen?
 
Did I miss the news?

Has someone secretly been doing "spine implants" to Senators and Representatives?

Do you honestly think that the Republicans have the cojones to vote in favour of something that Mr. Trump doesn't want to happen?

You may be right but some are making noises like they would. I do know a Democrat run House will make an effort at sanctions of the Saudi's.
 
And all it took was for me to criticize Obama, right? Clearly, it depends on the subject. Unfortunately, the subject is often Trump...not what you people need it to be in order to avoid Trump. And the problem with trying to pass so much of what Trump declares as merely a "joke" after the backlash is that it leaves his loyalists desperate for substance. The moment you actually fool anybody into believing that you are not an enthused Trump loyalists is the moment you can start using words like "objective."

For example: In the prior post you sought to defend Orange Leader's idiocy by declaring that he can't do what he wants to because "our system is binding his hands" and because Democrats won't let him. Because of this, "we must wait." Here, you follow that post up with the idea that if he only had "all the power" he could do what he wants.

An objective person maintains the ability to assess each situation upon its own merit. The fact that Trump continues to leave nearly nothing to praise in his wake, no matter the issue, leaves one calling a piece of **** a piece of ****. In the meantime, go ahead and keep on looking for ways to avoid criticizing the moron and call that "objective" as if anybody if fooled.

Actually I was being factual, but if you want to stay in your own world then that is your prerogative.

We have seen him stopped by others on the house floor before, his wall being one least you keep trying to forget actual history. Also, I am not saying that he should have all the power, as that would defeat the purpose of him being the president and there being an assembly of congress... then again I'm not surprised that you forgot about that as well.

I also didn't say that he has done nothing but good things, which in your language still means I am somehow falling over myself for the man. Despite the good that he has done, I don't agree with everything, plain and simple. At this point however, he could help create a cure for aids and he would still be in the fault. Thanks all in part to your blind, impotent rage.

I'm a realist when it comes to issues like this. There is no fast and simple fix for this kind of problem, no matter how much the current generation craves for experience and solutions to their problems in pill form. It's not going to arrive, not anytime soon in the very least.
 
Actually it is the opposite. If Trump refuses to make a suitable rebuke of the Saudi's and does not demand that MBS resign, Congress will take up the matter. The Democrats will vote for sanctions and ending arm sales in a heartbeat and it appears they have enough GOP votes too.

Only if it benefits them. They've had enough time to learn and play like a team all this time. But I highly doubt at this point that they would do as such just to benefit the country, or the memory of a murdered journalist. Seeing as they didn't show nearly as much necessary emotion when it was a student visiting North Korea. This also comes in at the point they are solely going to be batting for their own stake in things, so I wont put it past them to sell out anyone they can to get ahead.
 
Neither of you answered the question. And neither of you will.

Why don't you tell everyone what you would do, then when trump does it doesn't do something we can compare them. So, what is you answer?
As for myself I would kill the arms deal with them.
 
Only if it benefits them. They've had enough time to learn and play like a team all this time. But I highly doubt at this point that they would do as such just to benefit the country, or the memory of a murdered journalist. Seeing as they didn't show nearly as much necessary emotion when it was a student visiting North Korea. This also comes in at the point they are solely going to be batting for their own stake in things, so I wont put it past them to sell out anyone they can to get ahead.

It is not an "either or" situation. We are doing the Saudis a favor by selling them arms. If they don't oust MBS we will have no choice but to stop the favors and no more help in their "war" in Yemen either.
 
You may be right but some are making noises like they would. I do know a Democrat run House will make an effort at sanctions of the Saudi's.

Which wouldn't ever get out of committee in a Republican majority Senate.

And which would be vetoed on "national security grounds" if it did.

And anyone voting to override the veto would be accused of "treason" and "attempting to destroy the United States of America".
 
Only if it benefits them. They've had enough time to learn and play like a team all this time. But I highly doubt at this point that they would do as such just to benefit the country, or the memory of a murdered journalist. Seeing as they didn't show nearly as much necessary emotion when it was a student visiting North Korea. This also comes in at the point they are solely going to be batting for their own stake in things, so I wont put it past them to sell out anyone they can to get ahead.

Now that's an interesting point.

I didn't realize that you thought that the Democrats were that much more intelligent than the Republicans so that they could learn in one year what the Republicans didn't learn in eight years.

There's hope for you yet.
 
It is not an "either or" situation. We are doing the Saudis a favor by selling them arms. If they don't oust MBS we will have no choice but to stop the favors and no more help in their "war" in Yemen either.

You are 100% correct.

Since the United States of America is the only country in the world that manufactures weapons, if the US won't sell weapons to the Saudis then there is absolutely no place else for the Saudis to get them. I mean, the Saudis couldn't possibly have the money and/or talent to actually make their own weapons if they absolutely had to.

PS - The US is NOT "helping the Saudis in their 'war' in Yemen". The US government is "helping to spread peace, freedom, democracy, and prosperity in Yemen". Please get your official phrasebook updated.
 
You are 100% correct.

Since the United States of America is the only country in the world that manufactures weapons, if the US won't sell weapons to the Saudis then there is absolutely no place else for the Saudis to get them. I mean, the Saudis couldn't possibly have the money and/or talent to actually make their own weapons if they absolutely had to.

PS - The US is NOT "helping the Saudis in their 'war' in Yemen". The US government is "helping to spread peace, freedom, democracy, and prosperity in Yemen". Please get your official phrasebook updated.

The Saudi's are heavily invested in American arms. They have trained with them and they need spare parts from America to keep them working. the idea that they can just switch countries and get the same things is pretty far-fetched . Not to mention that they are cash poor since oil prices have declined. Our strongest leverage over the Saudi's is the threat of cutting arms sales and Trump is pissing that away with his falsehoods.

Unfortunately, Trump’s claim to have secured $110 billion in arms sales has not materialized. Although the Saudis signed numerous letters of intent and interest, some of which had been approved by the Obama administration, no new contracts have resulted, due mainly to lower oil prices and the Saudis’ costly war in Yemen.

While it’s true that Russia and China are indeed major exporters of armaments, the claim that U.S. weapons can easily be replaced by other suppliers is not – at least not in the short term.

First, once a country is “locked in” to a specific kind of weapons system, such as planes, tanks or naval vessels, the cost to switch to a different supplier can be huge. Military personnel must be retrained on new equipment, spare parts need to be replaced, and operational changes may be necessary.

After being so reliant on U.S. weapons systems for decades, the transition costs to buy from another country could be prohibitive even for oil-rich Saudi Arabia.

https://theconversation.com/arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia-give-trump-all-the-leverage-he-needs-in-khashoggi-affair-104998
 
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It is not an "either or" situation. We are doing the Saudis a favor by selling them arms. If they don't oust MBS we will have no choice but to stop the favors and no more help in their "war" in Yemen either.

That would be an a agreeable outcome as far as I'm concerned.
 
Now that's an interesting point.

I didn't realize that you thought that the Democrats were that much more intelligent than the Republicans so that they could learn in one year what the Republicans didn't learn in eight years.

There's hope for you yet.

I don't expect the democrats to act intelligently, nor do I think they are intelligent. Intelligence isn't necessary when you are willing to screw over everyone, be it man, woman, or child, just to have it your way.

They've already proven that several times over and I really don't want to see how much a party that I used to love and follow so closely, will continue to fall.

They're close enough now to supporting social unrest and political terrorism, that whatever hope I had for going back was soundly shattered over a year ago.
 
Trump is, at heart, a born coward. Nothing is going to significantly change in our relationship with the House of Saud--whether MbS stays or goes (he'll stay).
 
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