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Major Climate Report Describes a Strong Risk of Crisis as Early as 2040

That's just it. They only are capable of regurgitating what the priests of AGW tell them. They can't think or do the science and math on their own.

I'm tempted to post a graph of the output of climate models vs observations from around 1980 forward but I'm afraid certain heads would explode.
For one thing it's from Monckton and alarmist blogs freak out at the mention of his name. They really went nuts over something he produced a few years ago and I think it even got screwballs like DailyKos involved.
Must've really struck a nerve.
Oh what the hell ...
73 models vs observations.jpg
 
They bitch about blogs yet don't seem to ever get around to being able to argue the points made in them.
I posted a DP link to a thread from last year that had passages from AR4 and it caused one of the armchair alarmists to bail on the thread shortly thereafter (it was this thread actually, around a month ago).
He said ...

Even AR4 wasn't good enough for him.
It appears if they don't have the blog argument they don't have an argument.

They usually end up trying to counter data with authority -- not a viable strategy.
 
LOL...

If you say so.

You pretend your position is "anything is possible". That's a stupid position and can be applied to anything, but that's not your position. That's just some BS you use to take fake high ground and falsely berate others. Let's be real. Everyone knows anything is possible. Stop the childish crap, be a man and take a position. Stop with the coward crap.


"I'm just saying anything is possible and you're closed minded."


Pathetic horse****. Take that crap to the CT subforum where it belongs. You and your hologram plane buddies can cry about closed mindedness and wail victim there.
 
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You have no evidence --none-- that anyone "mindlessly" copied anything. Your entire argument is based on mindless prejudice.

LOL! The evidence is: the thousands and thousands of your copied and pasted blog posts on this forum from pseudoscience conspiracy blogs. Most of which have no comment at all from you.
 
This is getting better with every one of your posts.
You said Hulme was quoted out of context but you have no idea what the context is because you haven't read the book.
In other words ... you made it up.
You ... are ... a ... laugh ... riot.

Whoosh! The point just keeps flying right over your conspiracy addled head. Again. ;)
 
I'm tempted to post a graph of the output of climate models vs observations from around 1980 forward but I'm afraid certain heads would explode.
For one thing it's from Monckton and alarmist blogs freak out at the mention of his name. They really went nuts over something he produced a few years ago and I think it even got screwballs like DailyKos involved.
Must've really struck a nerve.
Oh what the hell ...
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The thing is, Monkton has been thoroughly debunked.

I think this is the best, easily accessible, and very well documented using primary sources. All sources are listed.

 
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LOL! The evidence is: the thousands and thousands of your copied and pasted blog posts on this forum from pseudoscience conspiracy blogs. Most of which have no comment at all from you.

Sorry, but that's not evidence. That's just the mindless prejudice I mentioned.
 
Yet I don't get my information from bloggers. I subscribe to and read actual peer reviewed papers. I am able to coherently say why some claims are silly that we see the pundits make. I see the lies that the pundits claim from the papers, which do not say what the pundits claim.

Well then you must surely be published. Could you please list a couple of your papers. Thanks in advance.
 
Because there's money to be made in the "AGW bubble."

cCassandra, Jack is spot on. Do you think they would do that if their were no subsidies, and no publicity for being with the AGW fad?

You guys really need to get your heads out of the sand!

If it wasn't for all the Fed flood insurance money available to people who build in places that are hurricane bait , we would not have wasted Billions building and rebuilding in climate change vulnerable areas.

Do you honestly think that sea walls are a scam??? Is there some gov't mandate I have not heard about regarding sea walls or might it be that cities like New Orleans, New York and Boston will find it better to prepare for the inevitable rather than continually rebuilding storm ravaged cities? Do you honestly think that the citizens of Calif. will continue to build with wood shingle roofs and decorate w palm trees or might Wall St investors foresee a run on concrete construction and metal roofs?

I have lived on the coast of Mass and Maine most of my life. I have seen the climate change, there is no doubt about the fact of climate change. And I can promise you that my nephew -a scientist at Woods Hole Oceanographic -is not inventing the changes observed in ocean chemistry. He could have made many times more $$$ had he chosen a Wall Street career instead of ocean chemistry as his career choice but he actually cares about the fate of the planet.
 
This is getting better with every one of your posts.
You said Hulme was quoted out of context but you have no idea what the context is because you haven't read the book.
In other words ... you made it up.
You ... are ... a ... laugh ... riot.

But... aren’t you quoting a book that supposedly is quoting Hulme’s book?

So you haven’t read it either

You...are...a...laugh.....riot!
 
Everyone can’t be familiar with denier published propaganda.

Heartland and Regenery Press should not be part of anyone’s book collection, unless their goal is to be misinformed.

I seriously doubt he read the Heartland book, let alone the Mike Hulme book it quoted. Just the quote mine itself on a list of quote mines on a conspiracy blog. Conspiracy blogs do it all the time. Just like Creationist websites. Reading them and parroting them is a really lazy way to 'achieve a goal of being misinformed'.

The denial is getting beyond ridiculous. ;)

NB: "Quoting out of context (sometimes referred to as contextomy or quote mining) is an informal fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning."
 
How about Cambridge University Press?

Hulme, M. 2009. Why We Disagree About Climate Change: Understanding Controversy, Inaction and Opportunity. NewYork,NY: Cambridge University Press.

Gosh! The original book which was quote mined in a Heartland book which was quote mined on a conspiracy blog which was parroted by bubba on this forum - was published by a reputable publisher! Sheesh. Way to miss the point.
 
You guys really need to get your heads out of the sand!

If it wasn't for all the Fed flood insurance money available to people who build in places that are hurricane bait , we would not have wasted Billions building and rebuilding in climate change vulnerable areas.

Do you honestly think that sea walls are a scam??? Is there some gov't mandate I have not heard about regarding sea walls or might it be that cities like New Orleans, New York and Boston will find it better to prepare for the inevitable rather than continually rebuilding storm ravaged cities? Do you honestly think that the citizens of Calif. will continue to build with wood shingle roofs and decorate w palm trees or might Wall St investors foresee a run on concrete construction and metal roofs?

I have lived on the coast of Mass and Maine most of my life. I have seen the climate change, there is no doubt about the fact of climate change. And I can promise you that my nephew -a scientist at Woods Hole Oceanographic -is not inventing the changes observed in ocean chemistry. He could have made many times more $$$ had he chosen a Wall Street career instead of ocean chemistry as his career choice but he actually cares about the fate of the planet.

The money is not in the science. It's in the investments for remediation and prevention driven by claims of impending climate doom.
Structures imprudently built in hurricane-prone areas are not threatened by climate change. They are threatened by weather.
In New York the West Side Highway remains notably dry.
The site of New Orleans is untenable, and would be even if sea level were falling. The city will not be there in 100 years.
 
Gosh! The original book which was quote mined in a Heartland book which was quote mined on a conspiracy blog which was parroted by bubba on this forum - was published by a reputable publisher! Sheesh. Way to miss the point.

Or he read the book. That's the answer suggested by Occam's Razor. Your prejudice is not evidence.
Why are you so desperate to avoid the substance of the discussion?
 
If they had not already moved the goal posts so many times, it would be easier to accept what they tell us as the gospel truth.

In 1970, the Smithsonian scientists predicted that we humans would have caused the extinction of 75 to 80% of all species on Earth within the next 25 years. (The fact is that between .01% and 1% of all species have always gone extinct each year even as others are appearing and that prediction was pure fantasy.)

In 1975, C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said that cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed. Scientist Nigel Calder wrote that “(t)he threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.”

Noel Brown, director of the New York Office of the U.N. Environmental Program, said that entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000.

Climate Scientist David Viner predicted that by 2020 snow would be extinct in the United Kingdom.

In 2001, the IPPC predicted much less snow for all over us over the next 20 years. There has been little change since the 1960's before climate was a problem. Also we have various IPPC reports predicting colder winters or milder winters--we can take our pick I guess.

During the negotiations for the Copenhagen agreement in 2009, former U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown predicted that if they didn’t solve the “impasse” they found themselves in within 50 days, the world was pretty much doomed. Evenso neither the Copenhagen agreement or the Kyoto protocol did anything to reduce CO2 emissions but did a lot to transfer wealth and increase government control. I think it was around 2008 that Prince Charles stated the Earth had just 96 months to save itself from climate change. The same year a study by Forum for the Future predicted that we would be living in a world so dire that we would actually have to move to Antarctica as “climate refugees.

New York Times environmentalism reporter Philip Shabecoff wrote a piece of alarmism based on the work of the aforementioned James Hansen, fresh from his congressional testimony.

In 1988 NY Time environmentalist report Philip Shabecoff quoted climate scientist James Hansen: “The rise in global temperature is predicted to cause a thermal expansion of the oceans and to melt glaciers and polar ice, thus causing sea levels to rise by one to four feet by the middle of the next century.” That's not showing up yet.

And of course Al Gore who won a Nobel prize for his film "An Inconvenient Truth", since shown to be pretty much an empty fabrication in its entirety, predicted the snows of Kilaminjaro and the polar ice packs would cease to exist within the next 5 to 10 years. Both are still very much there.

And every time there is any reduction in Arctic sea ice, the internet goes nuts with renewed dire predictions. But since satellite records have only existed for 39 of the 4.5 billion years the Earth has existed we don't really know what 'average' is there. And the extent of sea ice for the last two years continues above the 'record' (meaning 37 year low) reached in 2016.

So I think rational, thinking people continue to take a less alarmist view of climate change. Should we study it? Yes. Should we fund the study of it? Yes. But when funding is only available to those who are promoting a vision of catastrophic climate change, we might want to follow the money and be a bit suspicious about their 'absolute' findings, most especially as each tipping point arrives and goes by and they just set a new one.

Source of your Gish gallop?
 
The money is not in the science.

That is correct which is why it is so offensive for people to claim that scientists experience some sort of material gain for sounding the alarm on C.C. based on the results of their research.
It's in the investments for remediation and prevention driven by claims of impending climate doom.
Structures imprudently built in hurricane-prone areas are not threatened by climate change. They are threatened by weather.
In New York the West Side Highway remains notably dry.
The site of New Orleans is untenable, and would be even if sea level were falling. The city will not be there in 100 years.

Sure there is money to be made - what does that prove? Is there no money to be made in oil and gas? You can bet that no sea walls will be erected until the very real effects of climate change forces the issue- that is how we do it in the U.S.

Meanwhile we have wasted millions (billions?) subsidizing oil, gas and coal. Millions more have been wasted by oil, gas and agriculture to influence legislation. Millions more to subsidize petroleum based agriculture. Why don't you follow the money?
 
Gosh! The original book which was quote mined in a Heartland book which was quote mined on a conspiracy blog which was parroted by bubba on this forum - was published by a reputable publisher! Sheesh. Way to miss the point.


I checked out the summary of the book on Amazon. I see no evidence that Hulme is a C.C. denier.
 
That is correct which is why it is so offensive for people to claim that scientists experience some sort of material gain for sounding the alarm on C.C. based on the results of their research.


Sure there is money to be made - what does that prove? Is there no money to be made in oil and gas? You can bet that no sea walls will be erected until the very real effects of climate change forces the issue- that is how we do it in the U.S.

Meanwhile we have wasted millions (billions?) subsidizing oil, gas and coal. Millions more have been wasted by oil, gas and agriculture to influence legislation. Millions more to subsidize petroleum based agriculture. Why don't you follow the money?

I do not claim scientists are in it for the money. I do believe grant money follows the political agenda.

Your claim: Business has accepted the science on climate change. J.P. Morgan Asset management sees investment opportunities in sea walls, flood protection, desalination plants, aquaculture and exotic insurance "products". Amazon is getting into energy and transportation by developing home plugs for elec vehicles.

Neither J.P. Morgan nor Amazon nor anyone else has "accepted" or rejected anything. It's about the money.

Oil, gas and coal are taxpayers, not creations of subsidies. American agriculture is the envy of the world.







 
I checked out the summary of the book on Amazon. I see no evidence that Hulme is a C.C. denier.

He's not. But his opinions are misused by climate truthers/climate science deniers who only read quote mines and not the books themselves.
 
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He's not. But his opinions are misused by climate truthers/climate science deniers who only read quote mines.

And you have no evidence --none-- that this is what happened here. Your claim is purely a product of your prejudice. It is also a laughably desperate attempt to dodge the substance of the discussion.
 
It’s at wackjob.com

I think I found it on a web rag called the Conservative Tribune (CT). The initials CT are appropriate. You can bet he didn't bother to fact check any of the Gish gallop of claims before mindlessly parroting them here.
 
And you have no evidence --none-- that this is what happened here. Your claim is purely a product of your prejudice. It is also a laughably desperate attempt to dodge the substance of the discussion.

Why don't you stick to what you do best? Copying and pasting thousands and thousands of blog posts from pseudoscience conspiracy blogs without any meaningful commentary by you on their "substance".
 
Why don't you stick to what you do best? Copying and pasting thousands and thousands of blog posts from pseudoscience conspiracy blogs without any meaningful commentary by you on their "substance".

I suggest you quit dodging and get on with the subject.
 
The thing is, Monkton has been thoroughly debunked.

I think this is the best, easily accessible, and very well documented using primary sources. All sources are listed.



Where was the debunking of the 73 models vs the Observations graph that was posted?
 
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