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Jamal Khashoggi: Turkey says journalist was murdered in Saudi consulate

Turkey's private NTV news channel identified one of the 15 Saudis as the head of a Saudi forensic science agency.

He may have been responsible for cleaning up any incriminating forensic evidence.
 
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If you are going to kill someone you dont do it in your own house so that everyone knows beyond doubt that it was you who did it....you do the assassination out on the streets, discreetly. Did you see that story about the mob guy who was killed at a fast food drive through....that is what you do....that sort of thing.
In the consulate they are immune from Turkish law -- and they don't care if there is speculation that they did it.
 
15 assassins for 1 guy who actually walks into their "living room" - that statement alone is hilarious.

15 give or take is about right for a government sponsored assassination. You don't need 15 security specialists to kill an unarmed journalist. You need 15 security specialists to get away with it while maintaining plausible deniability. There were 26 suspects in the assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh, widely believed to be a Mossad operation.
 
There's additional news emerging hours ago about Jamal Khashoggi. The Washington Post, the paper Khashoggi worked for broke this news. The Washington Post website is encrypted so I can't copy the link here. The rumor, and I have no credible mainstream source to back this up.... but the rumor is that Jamal Khashoggi was a spy for the U.S. https://splinternews.com/u-s-spies-may-have-known-about-saudi-arabias-plans-to-1829644920

I'll copy the Washington Post article:

Crown prince sought to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia and detain him, U.S. intercepts show


The crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman, ordered an operation to lure Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia from his home in Virginia and then detain him, according to U.S. intelligence intercepts of Saudi officials discussing the plan.

The intelligence, described by U.S. officials familiar with it, is another piece of evidence implicating the Saudi regime in Khashoggi’s disappearance last week after he entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul. Turkish officials say that a Saudi security team lay in wait for the journalist and killed him.

Khashoggi was a prominent critic of the Saudi government and Mohammed in particular. Several of Khashoggi’s friends said that over the past four months, senior Saudi officials close to the crown prince had called Khashoggi to offer him protection, and even a high-level job working for the government, if he returned to his home country.

Khashoggi, however, was skeptical of the offers. He told one friend that the Saudi government would never make good on its promises not to harm him.

[Saudis are said to have lain in wait for Jamal Khashoggi]

“He said: ‘Are you kidding? I don’t trust them one bit,’ ” said Khaled Saffuri, an Arab American political activist, recounting a conversation he had with Khashoggi in May, moments after Khashoggi had received a call from Saud al-Qahtani, an adviser to the royal court.

The intelligence pointing to a plan to detain Khashoggi in Saudi Arabia has fueled speculation by officials and analysts in multiple countries that what transpired at the consulate was a backup plan to capture Khashoggi that may have gone wrong.

A former U.S. intelligence official — who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter — noted that the details of the operation, which involved sending two teams totaling 15 men, in two private aircraft arriving and departing Turkey at different times, bore the hallmarks of a “rendition,” in which someone is extra*legally removed from one country and deposited for interrogation in another.

But Turkish officials have concluded that whatever the intent of the operation, Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate. Investigators have not found his body, but Turkish officials have released video surveillance footage of Khashoggi entering the consulate on the afternoon of Oct. 2. There is no footage that shows him leaving, they said.

The intelligence about Saudi Arabia’s earlier plans to detain Khashoggi have raised questions about whether the Trump administration should have warned the journalist that he might be in danger.

Intelligence agencies have a “duty to warn” people who might be kidnapped, seriously injured or killed, according to a directive signed in 2015. The obligation applies regardless of whether the person is a U.S. citizen. Khashoggi was a U.S. resident.
 
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And no rebuke from POTUS of the Saudis or from his son-in-law. The worst impulses of the Saudis is no longer a problem for 45.
 
And no rebuke from POTUS of the Saudis or from his son-in-law. The worst impulses of the Saudis is no longer a problem for 45.

:shrug: and hasn't been.

iu
 
The KSA (and others), have some explaining to do....
 
:shrug: and hasn't been.

iu

Partisan crap.

Because Obama kissed the KSA's arse, are you suggesting you don't have a problem if President Trump remains silent?
 
And no rebuke from POTUS of the Saudis or from his son-in-law. The worst impulses of the Saudis is no longer a problem for 45.

We don't even have an ambassador there. Kushner is filling those shoes, and that makes this stink all the more.
 
:shrug: and hasn't been.

iu
Frankly I'm tired of these damned callbacks, by both sides.
Who gives a **** what the past presidents did, some of it was bad, some was good, and that doesn't make anything Trump administration does today bad or good as a result.
Examine the events on their merits, not based on "what the other guy did".

Just because Obama and Clinton did **** doesn't make it OK to do.
The same goes for every other president.
 
WaPo contributor Kashoggi walked into the Saudi consulate Tuesday to obtain divorce records. His fiancée waited 11 hours, but he never returned. From the BBC:

Turkish officials said Mr Khashoggi was killed on the premises and his body was then removed.

...Saudi Arabia said the allegations were baseless. It has allowed reporters into the consulate to show Mr Khashoggi is not there.

The [Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman]prince said the Saudis were "very keen to know what happened to him", saying his understanding was that Mr Khashoggi left "after a few minutes or one hour". https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45775819

Turkish police say that Kashoggi was "tortured, murdered, and cut into pieces" inside the consulate. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...journalist-killed-Saudi-consulate-source.html

May I ask what expectation, if any, you have of the international response to this situation?
 
This is from last March, but is fairly pertinent to the news that U.S. Intelligence intercepts made the U.S. aware it was going to happen, and yet nothing was done to stop it.

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/21/jared-kushner-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman/

"...One of the people MBS told about the discussion with Kushner was UAE Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed, according to a source who talks frequently to confidants of the Saudi and Emirati rulers. MBS bragged to the Emirati crown prince and others that Kushner was “in his pocket,” the source told The Intercept...."
 
Partisan crap.

Because Obama kissed the KSA's arse, are you suggesting you don't have a problem if President Trump remains silent?

Nope. Just saying that letting KSA get away with abusing it's public isn't a Trump Policy - it's a bipartisan US policy. Don't support Obama's treatment of KSA but be mad at Trump's; it's the same (rough) policy.
 
We're not as dependent on Saudi oil as we were before, so I have no idea why we still cozy up to them. The majority of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis as was Bin Laden.
 
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If you are going to kill someone you dont do it in your own house so that everyone knows beyond doubt that it was you who did it....you do the assassination out on the streets, discreetly. Did you see that story about the mob guy who was killed at a fast food drive through....that is what you do....that sort of thing.

Ok Einstein why is there video of him entering the Embassy and none of him leaving it? His fiance stood outside waiting for him to come out for 3 hours and when when she asked what happened to him they told her he left and you must have missed him. The most disturbing thing is the fact that U.S. intelligence monitored Saudi's discussing way to detain him and must have been blocked from warning him of the plot by the Whitehouse.
 
Ok Einstein why is there video of him entering the Embassy and none of him leaving it? His fiance stood outside waiting for him to come out for 3 hours and when when she asked what happened to him they told her he left and you must have missed him. The most disturbing thing is the fact that U.S. intelligence monitored Saudi's discussing way to detain him and must have been blocked from warning him of the plot by the Whitehouse.

I dont know what happened but I am not assuming that the Turks are right.....it may well be that they convinced him to go willingly with these people, either to Egypt or the other place I dont recall....apparently the 15 came together but after this operation they split up. No we never had intel that this operation was happening, what we know is that the Kingdom wanted to get him back home, but I have heard no claims that the plan was to kill him.

Keep in mind too that the Chinese now regularly take people and say nothing...they had that Actress Fan Bingbing from the first of July till just over a week ago as they were investigating her, nobody had any idea where she was.....maybe the Saudis got a new idea.
 
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15 assassins for 1 guy who actually walks into their "living room" - that statement alone is hilarious.

The Israelis sent a team of 26 to take out Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh at a hotel in Dubai.
 
Turkey is now claiming they have audio, video, and forensic evidence(from sewer analysis) to proves the killing but aren't sharing it. They are now claiming he was pulled from a room into a second by two men who killed him, then taken to a 3rd room and dismembered, ending with his parts driven to the consul general's home and buried in the garden.

I'm still trying to understand how they got the still of him entering the consulate when the Saudi's say they have no footage available. Didn't the still come from the Saudi's cameras?
 
Turkey is now claiming they have audio, video, and forensic evidence(from sewer analysis) to proves the killing but aren't sharing it. They are now claiming he was pulled from a room into a second by two men who killed him, then taken to a 3rd room and dismembered, ending with his parts driven to the consul general's home and buried in the garden.

I'm still trying to understand how they got the still of him entering the consulate when the Saudi's say they have no footage available. Didn't the still come from the Saudi's cameras?

You think that Saudi cameras would be the only cameras pointed at that embassy?
 
You think that Saudi cameras would be the only cameras pointed at that embassy?

Based on the drawings of the area in news articles, the camera is identified as on the consulate wall.
 
Based on the drawings of the area in news articles, the camera is identified as on the consulate wall.

You can bet that Turkey and a few other states have eyes on that embassy.
 
You can bet that Turkey and a few other states have eyes on that embassy.

For sure, absolutely. Just would have expected a 360 view by now and 3 hours of footage proving their point.
 
For sure, absolutely. Just would have expected a 360 view by now and 3 hours of footage proving their point.

You save that kind of stuff for those occasions where it's really needed. You don't want to be so quick to reveal the extent of your capabilities. The extent to which they share it, if at all, and with whom and how would surely be limited.
 
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