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WESTERN EUROPE BREAKING: Marine le Pen’s daughter violently assaulted, hit in the head

PeteEU said:
3 days now since this story popped up on this board, Brietbart, Russian troll sites and Stormfront. No other even news or blog site outside the far right neo Nazi pro Putin internet troll farms have this story.

That can only mean one thing.... fake news.

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It could also mean that the ladies were hit in a bar fight that had nothing whatsoever to do with politics.
 
Blue_State said:
You can look up the news articles. I didn't say it was politically motivated, Marine Le Pen did.
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Please go back and read your own reference. Ms. le Pen didn't say anything of the kind.

Admittedly Nicolas Dupont-AIgnan - who wasn't present and didn't actually know what happened did say that it was politically motivated, but one might expect that the leader of “Debout la France” might well say anything in order to boost his party's membership from its current ~20,000 level and/or to increase its electoral support from the 1.79% that it received in 2012 did I'll correct my

"'Blue_State' said, and no one else said anything."​

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"'Blue_State' and Nicolas Dupont-AIgnan said, and no one else said anything."​
 
Sweden said:
No such thing as 'collectivist right'. To be on the right is to reject collectivism. This stems from the misunderstanding that the Nazis - the National Socialist Workers Party - were anything other than just a variety of Socialists.
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I'd say things like white nationalism or black nationalism would be forms of that.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Would you feel better if that was "everyone understanding their Christian duty" - which is to give up from yourself for others, even if you don't want to?
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A duty that is given voluntarily via free association, as it is in Christianity? Sure, that's no different than a normal job or some other such thing. When it's comes to the government or societal enforcements that removes choice from the individual? No.

Oh...and that would also be a "no" when, in Christian history, the Roman Catholic Church had the power of the state.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
It could also mean that the ladies were hit in a bar fight that had nothing whatsoever to do with politics.
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If it happened, then this is most likely. Problem is, that no one is reporting this and that is odd....
 
RetiredUSN said:
Your posts only confirm.
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I always appreciate conversations based on reality, that's why I usually provide links to reputable sources to support any assertions I make.

The problem is so many of the people I try to have discussions with just make assertions without ever providing reputable sources, because there are no credible sources to support them. See post #66 as an example.
 
RetiredUSN said:
He was a racist asshole, but you wouldn't know it because you can't see past the end of your nose.
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This article is from a source steeped in racist conspiracy theories.

Can I ask why you then appear to support a party with a racist leader in Trump? Where one of the driving forces to elect their leader was racism?

As per our earlier conversation, where you said you wanted to have discussions based in reality, please note reputable sources: Link to two studies published in prestigious peer reviewed journals:

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters


And leader of Republican party calling Trump out for racist comments:

Ryan: Trump's comments 'textbook definition' of racism


And Trumps long and well documented history of racist behaviour:

Trump Has A Long And Well-Documented History Of Racist Behavior

Trump: No vacancies for Blacks


If you were serious about conversations based in reality, please make sure you include refutation for peer reviewed studies if you're going to claim they aren't true. Thanks.

And has there been any confirmation that the OP is based on reality, considering the source?
 
JustHanging said:
This article is from a source steeped in racist conspiracy theories.

Can I ask why you then appear to support a party with a racist leader in Trump? Where one of the driving forces to elect their leader was racism?

As per our earlier conversation, where you said you wanted to have discussions based in reality, please note reputable sources: Link to two studies published in prestigious peer reviewed journals:

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters


And leader of Republican party calling Trump out for racist comments:

Ryan: Trump's comments 'textbook definition' of racism


And Trumps long and well documented history of racist behaviour:

Trump Has A Long And Well-Documented History Of Racist Behavior

Trump: No vacancies for Blacks


If you were serious about conversations based in reality, please make sure you include refutation for peer reviewed studies if you're going to claim they aren't true. Thanks.

And has there been any confirmation that the OP is based on reality, considering the source?
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LOL...we were talking about LBJ.

But, but, but, but.......Trump!
 
Fishking said:
Uhhh...wut? We've already seen the militarizing of leftist in the U.S. and they are responsible for their own actions, you don't get to blame Trump for what they do. Pathetic.
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Projecting again.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The American Left now has massive problems understanding the boundaries between people, where one leaves off and the other begins.

THis is a very fundamental and dangerous form of ignorance.

We used to be better.
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The American Left were in a bowling bar in France at 1 am? How ignorant is that claim?
 
Manc Skipper said:
The American Left were in a bowling bar in France at 1 am? How ignorant is that claim?
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Obviously the American Left has aligned themselves with the Lizard People. Just ask Alex Jones. And the people who listen to him.
 
RetiredUSN said:
LOL...we were talking about LBJ.

But, but, but, but.......Trump!
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What are you babbling about?

You were talking about racism, and how you apparently don't like racists. Yet you support a racist president, and apparently a racist Republican party.

As well, the OP source is a site steeped in racist conspiracy theories.

Your last sentence should have been..."But but but...I have no facts. So I'll run and hide instead of refuting the argument."
 
JustHanging said:
What are you babbling about?

You were talking about racism, and how you apparently don't like racists. Yet you support a racist president, and apparently a racist Republican party.

As well, the OP source is a site steeped in racist conspiracy theories.

Your last sentence should have been..."But but but...I have no facts. So I'll run and hide instead of refuting the argument."
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I ALREADY TOLD YOU ONCE THAT I DON'T CARE FOR TRUMP OR HIS TACTICS.................BUT YOU WENT THERE.................................... anyways!

Keep up or go away!
 
JustHanging said:
This article is from a source steeped in racist conspiracy theories.

Can I ask why you then appear to support a party with a racist leader in Trump? Where one of the driving forces to elect their leader was racism?

As per our earlier conversation, where you said you wanted to have discussions based in reality, please note reputable sources: Link to two studies published in prestigious peer reviewed journals:

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters


And leader of Republican party calling Trump out for racist comments:

Ryan: Trump's comments 'textbook definition' of racism


And Trumps long and well documented history of racist behaviour:

Trump Has A Long And Well-Documented History Of Racist Behavior

Trump: No vacancies for Blacks


If you were serious about conversations based in reality, please make sure you include refutation for peer reviewed studies if you're going to claim they aren't true. Thanks.

And has there been any confirmation that the OP is based on reality, considering the source?
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These are all partisan hack articles and studies. Trump constantly touts the excellent employment numbers his reforms have helped to achieve for African-Americans, Asians, Latinos, etc.

African-American Leftists have been the worst enemies of their community, advocating policies that keep their community down and dependent upon them. This is called a Co-Dependent Relationship -- when you pretend to be helping someone, but you're really trying to help yourself, even at their expense.
 
Fishking said:
A duty that is given voluntarily via free association, as it is in Christianity?
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Yep, of course, at its roots EVERY government is one that the people selecte "voluntarily" (either actively or passively).

Fishking said:
When it's comes to the government or societal enforcements that removes choice from the individual? No.
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At some level EVERY government reaches a balance between "collectivist" and "individualist" - the dispute is over where on the scale the people under that government are prepared to be. This generally involves some "involuntary" (which is actually voluntary because it is not resisted) concessions in the direction of "Too Much" on the parts of some of the people and some in the direction of "Too Little" on the parts of others.

If the American people want to move towards a 100% "individualist" society, then all they have to do is to elect governments that will repeal all "social safety net" legislation (of course, if they were to be 100% consistent then they would also have to repeal all taxation legislation and regulations).

I'm not quite sure how far you want to see American society move back towards the good old days of Mr. Mellon's "You can't mine coal without machine guns.", but I suspect that it is a whole lot further than the majority of Americans do.

Fishking said:
Oh...and that would also be a "no" when, in Christian history, the Roman Catholic Church had the power of the state.
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An organization that "has the power of the state" IS "the state" regardless of what either that organization or the people who tell you that THEY are "the state" tell you.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Yep, of course, at its roots EVERY government is one that the people selecte "voluntarily" (either actively or passively).
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What? No. All governments are not voluntary. In fact, if you were going to make any statement it would be all governments employ coercive force on people.

An organization that "has the power of the state" IS "the state" regardless of what either that organization or the people who tell you that THEY are "the state" tell you.
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Right, which is why I said "no" to that.
 
 
Fishking said:
What? No. All governments are not voluntary. In fact, if you were going to make any statement it would be all governments employ coercive force on people.
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At some point the populace "chooses" to allow the state's coercive power to prevail.

When the populace "chooses" NOT to allow the state's coercive power to prevail then the state changes ownership and management.

At that point the new management changes the uniforms of the police forces and carries on.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
At some point the populace "chooses" to allow the state's coercive power to prevail.

When the populace "chooses" NOT to allow the state's coercive power to prevail then the state changes ownership and management.

At that point the new management changes the uniforms of the police forces and carries on.
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Oh really? Hmmmm….I think you need to do a little bit of history research.
 
Fishking said:
Oh really? Hmmmm….I think you need to do a little bit of history research.
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Changing the colour of the cats that run Mouseville doesn't actually benefit the mice.

However, letting the mice think that they are making a difference by alternating between "Red" Cats and "Blue" Cats tends to keep the mice quiet (for the benefit of all Catkind).
 
Sweden said:
No such thing as 'collectivist right'. To be on the right is to reject collectivism. This stems from the misunderstanding that the Nazis - the National Socialist Workers Party - were anything other than just a variety of Socialists.
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Gregor Strasser would disagree with you, he was the last actual socialist in Hitler's Germany.
 
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