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State Opens Probe Into Trump Tax Allegations in New York Times Story

ludin said:
So show us where he has been convicted of any of that. too my knowledge those are all felony offenses and that would have disqualified him from
running for president.

So I will await your evidence of claims. Please provide the court cases where he was convicted of those things.
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what’s the thred title here again?
 
ludin said:
actually it would be. they would have to contact the family to publish them and it makes no sense that the estate would turn over
Fred's taxes to the NYTimes.

They should investigate how the NY times got their hands on an published private tax return information without permission.
that is still illegal.

ACtually they have to go by that. if the estate filed false tax returns then it is on the estate and no one else.
it would be on the accountant that did it as well. trump didn't do the taxes.

they still have to follow 90's law because there could be things in there that is allowed under state laws that are no longer allowed.
the % is irrelevant.
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So what's the law broken here by the NY Times... illegally obtaining the tax records? They didn't
Or
Publishing those tax records?

Are you saying the NY Times was supposed to get permission from Trump estate to use the information they obtained legally?
From what I understand the basement of records was over 300000 pages of stuff they picked up and sifted thru, along with public documents that corroborated some of the private documents.

I agree with you about some of the tax stuff. Not necessarily Trump however the drawing of money from a company with the over inflated invoices and the seeking of rent increases from the state using those falsified documents that signals fraud to me.
 
ludin said:
actually it would be. they would have to contact the family to publish them and it makes no sense that the estate would turn over
Fred's taxes to the NYTimes.

They should investigate how the NY times got their hands on an published private tax return information without permission.
that is still illegal.

ACtually they have to go by that. if the estate filed false tax returns then it is on the estate and no one else.
it would be on the accountant that did it as well. trump didn't do the taxes.

they still have to follow 90's law because there could be things in there that is allowed under state laws that are no longer allowed.
the % is irrelevant.
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With all respect, this same thing happened under Clinton. Same "liberal papers" outed story after story about the Clintons. Why?

Because the Clintons were dirty. We have no nose under Bush SR. Why? Because he was clean.
We hand no noise under Obie. Why? Because he was clean.
We had just a few sounds under Bush Jr but not much, why? He was basically clean.

We have all this dirt about Trump, why?

Because he's even dirtier than the Clintons.

It's the same media willing to out their own mother.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is a brilliant patriot who with great intestinal fortitude maybe just maybe saved America from the worst of the disaster we have been headed towards, due to leadership that has completely failed leaving most of Americas major institutions a wreck, or nearing collapse.
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You’ve either smoked too much weed or not enough I can’t decide which. I work for one of the largest tax accounting firms in the world and the general consensus amongst the tax professionals here is that whenever Trump leaves office, however that may be, he will be indicted.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Understanding one hopes that the statues of limitations has run out on criminal charges.

I wonder if devoting resources investigating a matter that they cant criminally charge is normal.
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Well the previous witch hunts failed so now we gather our torches and yell monster and try again.
 
Middle_Ground said:
So what's the law broken here by the NY Times... illegally obtaining the tax records? They didn't
Or
Publishing those tax records?
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Possibly both.

Are you saying the NY Times was supposed to get permission from Trump estate to use the information they obtained legally?
From what I understand the basement of records was over 300000 pages of stuff they picked up and sifted thru, along with public documents that corroborated some of the private documents.
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i no more believed they obtained them legally than the man in the moon. even so it is illegal to publish tax returns without permission from the person or family as they would have belonged
to the estate and the people managing the estate.

I agree with you about some of the tax stuff. Not necessarily Trump however the drawing of money from a company with the over inflated invoices and the seeking of rent increases from the state using those falsified documents that signals fraud to me.
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Not really. A private businesses can charge whatever they want. there is nothing illegal about it.
The only thing that could get him in trouble is if it was a public company and he was doing that.

See the Adelphia case. it was a public company and the owner was buying furniture from his wife's furniture store at a huge cost to the company.
he was busted.

a private company owned by trump can buy and sell or pay whatever it wants to pay for anything it isn't illegal.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...bes-trump-taxes-from-decades-ago?srnd=premium


It is just beginning
Add in the House if in Democrats control WILL subpoena his tax records. Which they will and which they will get
Of course nothing will leak
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Aw, yes, another anti Trump thread that has absolutely nothing to do with the policies and results being implemented by President Trump. Another diversion from what is happening in this country to try and overturn election results where Democrat radicals lost and will continue to lose until they realize that anti Trump threads do nothing but divide and have no bearing on their own personal lives
 
JustHanging said:
I just saw one of the authors on TV. Remember Trump said he got a "small" 1 million dollar loan? Turns out he got a gift of 410 million in today's dollars that Trump never had to pay back.

ROFL, business acumen my ass, daddy gave little Donnie everything. And little Donnie is still the lying loser he always was. What a putz.
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WOW. How awful. I just can not imagine a parent helping their child and doing every thing they can for them. What terrible parents to give gifts to their children. My mom tried to give me money and I threw it in her face. I did the right thing. I would never let my parents insult me by helping me in any way. Unbelievable even the thought of parents helping their children.
 
haymarket said:
And even after that the Times piece details how Donald tried to do a number on his father Freds will to give him even more. The guy is just a complete and total asshole of the worst sort.
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Asshole isn't the words I would use, which are:
  • amoral
  • unprincipled
  • deceitful
  • untrustworthy
  • disloyal


In fact, I can't think of one positive characteristic of this man.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
WOW. How awful. I just can not imagine a parent helping their child and doing every thing they can for them. What terrible parents to give gifts to their children. My mom tried to give me money and I threw it in her face. I did the right thing. I would never let my parents insult me by helping me in any way. Unbelievable even the thought of parents helping their children.
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410 million is more than a "helping gift". It sets you up for life.

I don't have any problem with that, just keep that in consideration before praising Donald's business acumen. Turning 410 million into 1 billion is way easier than turning 1'000 into 1 million.
 
ludin said:
Possibly both.



i no more believed they obtained them legally than the man in the moon. even so it is illegal to publish tax returns without permission from the person or family as they would have belonged
to the estate and the people managing the estate.



Not really. A private businesses can charge whatever they want. there is nothing illegal about it.
The only thing that could get him in trouble is if it was a public company and he was doing that.

See the Adelphia case. it was a public company and the owner was buying furniture from his wife's furniture store at a huge cost to the company.
he was busted.

a private company owned by trump can buy and sell or pay whatever it wants to pay for anything it isn't illegal.
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Okay so you don't believe the NY Times got all the records they used for the story legally. I can't argue with what you believe or don't believe. Beliefs are personal.
I believe they were obtained legally. So we'll agree to disagree
Hopefully one of the attorneys here or in the news will clear up whether it's legal to actually publish them.

Yes they were a private company but they were doing business with state. So if they said they paid 500k in maintenance (pocketed 400k) took that to the state to seek rent increaes but they only really paid 100k you don't see a crime there?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
WOW. How awful. I just can not imagine a parent helping their child and doing every thing they can for them. What terrible parents to give gifts to their children. My mom tried to give me money and I threw it in her face. I did the right thing. I would never let my parents insult me by helping me in any way. Unbelievable even the thought of parents helping their children.
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Does that helping their child include breaking the law? Because that's what the article said:
illegally valuing property at 6% of the actual cost; tax evasion, etc.

I can understand a poor person stealing a quart of milk for their starving child but these people were tycoons. If you are committing fraud and tax evasion when you are that rich you just are a greedy bastard.
 
ludin said:
So show us where he has been convicted of any of that. too my knowledge those are all felony offenses and that would have disqualified him from
running for president.

So I will await your evidence of claims. Please provide the court cases where he was convicted of those things.
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I believe that under RICO, an act used to go after Mafia for conspiracy, the eintre Trump family mignt be held accountable. The scheme in the NYTimes reveals the details of the conspiracy and names of co-conspirators. The usual process would be to give immunity to accountants, auditors, appraisers, etc. and prosecute the leadership. In this case the prosecution would be a nolo contendre plea and a hefty fine, most likely. Of course, it does peel the carefully manicured image off the self made man and reveal the silver spoon up the rectum of the favored, privileged son, eh? I certainly look forward to seeing the Russian financial manipulations and accounting when those tax records are subpoened(sp).
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It is about time New York gets billions of dollars in back taxes from the Trump family.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
WOW. How awful. I just can not imagine a parent helping their child and doing every thing they can for them. What terrible parents to give gifts to their children. My mom tried to give me money and I threw it in her face. I did the right thing. I would never let my parents insult me by helping me in any way. Unbelievable even the thought of parents helping their children.
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It has nothing to do with parents helping their children. Jeez
It has to with the "self made" claim for the last 40 years.
He's still getting a check from Daddy's business empire.
We all wish we could help or gotten help the way Trump is and does. But would we be humble enough to acknowledge that help or hand up?
 
Middle_Ground said:
It has nothing to do with parents helping their children. Jeez
It has to with the "self made" claim for the last 40 years.
He's still getting a check from Daddy's business empire.
We all wish we could help or gotten help the way Trump is and does. But would we be humble enough to acknowledge that help or hand up?
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And that affects you and the American people how?? History is filled with people like this holding public office. JFK is a perfect example of this. Think he didn't benefit from his Father? Why is this even an issue for you and this country?
 
Conservative said:
And that affects you and the American people how?? History is filled with people like this holding public office. JFK is a perfect example of this. Think he didn't benefit from his Father? Why is this even an issue for you and this country?
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I agree with you. Trump has no integrity, and thus is the perfect representative.

He couldn't be that if he had some integrity.
 
 
JustHanging said:
I agree with you. Trump has no integrity, and thus is the perfect representative.

He couldn't be that if he had some integrity.
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So Hillary and Bill Clinton had integrity? What does integrity have to do with the results being generated and policies implemented? The election is over, get over it. You have another opportunity in 2020. Run a better less radical candidate with that integrity you seem to believe is important
 
JustHanging said:
Nah, just another reason for the world to laugh at the racist clown. Who doesn't enjoy a good laugh? :)

Ryan: Trump's comments 'textbook definition' of racism
Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People'


Jerusalem:
America the laughingstock

England:
Trump Has Made America Into A Laughingstock

Canada:
The year the world laughed at U.S.

Europe:
European diplomats: Trump is a 'laughing stock'

Germany:
'People here think Trump is a laughingstock'

USA:
Trump is making America the laughingstock of the world
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A Laughing stock that has generated over 4 million new taxpayers, improved full time employment by 1 million over what Obama created, has grown the GDP more than double what he was left, got passed a large tax cut for taxpayers, and enforced the red line in the sand that Obama created with invisible ink. How are any of those results a laughing stock? Suggest you get out more and see what is actually going on in the country
 
Cisero said:
410 million is more than a "helping gift". It sets you up for life.

I don't have any problem with that, just keep that in consideration before praising Donald's business acumen. Turning 410 million into 1 billion is way easier than turning 1'000 into 1 million.
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I would give my children 410 million if I had it to give without batting an eye. I don't agree about making money. I have seen too many people inherit large sums of money and in a year they were broke. Look at a lot of the athletes who make millions and next thing you know they are homeless walking the streets. This is jealousy and hate and it is as clear as it gets.
 
MTAtech said:
Does that helping their child include breaking the law? Because that's what the article said:
illegally valuing property at 6% of the actual cost; tax evasion, etc.

I can understand a poor person stealing a quart of milk for their starving child but these people were tycoons. If you are committing fraud and tax evasion when you are that rich you just are a greedy bastard.
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Property values can vary greatly. I bought a house for less than 10% of what it had sold for a couple of years earlier. That is the real estate market. My uncle paid $175,000 for a townhome and sold it 5 years later for $23,000. He bought a house in another neighborhood for $40,000. and sold it for 1.5 Million. Proving fraud in real estate is very difficult. Especially when dealing in the type of real estate Trump deals in. You can make or lose 100,s of millions over night.
 
Middle_Ground said:
It has nothing to do with parents helping their children. Jeez
It has to with the "self made" claim for the last 40 years.
He's still getting a check from Daddy's business empire.
We all wish we could help or gotten help the way Trump is and does. But would we be humble enough to acknowledge that help or hand up?
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He did turn it into billions and then he lost billions. That is the real estate business. Do you have any idea how many people lost millions in real estate after the 2009 crash. People are still writing of loses today over that. People with money bought up property for pennies on the dollar and are going to make millions if not billions selling it in the future. The bottom line is I can buy and sell property for what ever I want to in free country. It is the greedy government that wants their cut to feather their nest on our hard work.
 
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