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New York Times investigation: Trump helped his parents evade taxes

AliHajiSheik said:
Clearly you do.
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I don't actually which is why the rest of my comment completely ignored the hair you're trying to split as you avoid discussing the rest of the 40,000 word article.
 
Captain America said:
I don't know how we can blame a toddler, soon to grow up to be a "self-made man," for getting a 200k annual salary.
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Holy non sequitur. No one is blaming baby Trump for what happened when he was a toddler. However, adult Trump always loves to tout his ‘self-made’ image. He is the furthest thing from that.
 
JasperL said:
I don't actually which is why the rest of my comment completely ignored the hair you're trying to split as you avoid discussing the rest of the 40,000 word article.
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Because I don't care about any of it except that part which is determined to be illegal. The only good news is that in 2150 dollars, you are probably a millionaire.
 
*Gasp!*


Someone tried to pay as little taxes as possible!!



Unless there's evidence of a real crime and not some phoney, baloney one liberals like to make up while sipping their latte's at Starbucks, we've got better things to do than listen to the incessant whining over nothing.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Because I don't care about any of it except that part which is determined to be illegal. The only good news is that in 2150 dollars, you are probably a millionaire.
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Well, the article discusses lots of obvious tax fraud, and for some reason you don't want to engage on that. Weird how that works and you're fixated on the opening paragraph of a 40,000 word piece of investigative journalism.
 
cpwill said:
I think you may be optimistic. :(



[emoji38] The FAILING, LOSER nytimes who NO ONE RESPECTS......

or, maybe not. Maybe, when it comes to his money, he can actually maintain discipline?

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Trump refers to the NYT as 'the failing New York Times' but when the NYT reported that Rosenstein secretly recorded Trump and said he wanted him impeached under the 25th, then suddenly Trump LOVED the New York Times.

He loves it when it serves some purpose to him and hates it when it tells the truth about him.
 
Renae said:
Shady TACTICS!!!
SCARY!
INSINUATION!
CONJECTURE!
ACCUSATIONS!

Show us laws broken, actual illegal behavior... otherwise, this is more of the same BS, different chapter, same book...
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Read the entire New York Times article is loaded with hard proof testimonies documents receipts etcetera etcetera etcetera

Many obvious crimes were committed in the arena of tax fraud whether or not he's still legal exposed I don't know but he's he is very Exposed on the tort side of law
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Is your point to ignore the facts and pay attention to your theme? The article says no such thing that he was a millionaire by the age of 8, that you just made up.

As for what the article did say: "He began earning money from his father when he was a toddler, and after college graduation his father gave him the equivalent of $1 million a year."

Which figure would you, or young Donald prefer. $1 million a year, or the equivalent of $1 million a year?
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They are saying that what he was paid would be equivalent to 1 million in today's dollars.

So even if it was a paltry $250,000 he's still got a silver spoon in his baby mouth
 
AliHajiSheik said:
A link within a link, oh well.

He still wasn't a millionaire by age 8 because he wasn't earning "today's dollars".
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Arguing whether a toddler got $250,000 or a million dollars in today's dollars is a rather silly argument, don't you think?

Whichever it is it's still a pretty good dough for a toddler the Silver Spoon is still there
 
JasperL said:
Well, the article discusses lots of obvious tax fraud, and for some reason you don't want to engage on that. Weird how that works and you're fixated on the opening paragraph of a 40,000 word piece of investigative journalism.
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The New York Times doesn't agree with your assessment that they are 'obvious', they call them 'suspect'. For some reason you need to twist the story to make it say more than it does.

So many stray documents, often without any signature or initials to indicate that they were used, or stray pages (one document had page 8 without page 1-7 or how many after that). When there is a there there, let us know.
 
cabse5 said:
Right. I attempt to evade paying as much tax as I can. I look for all the loopholes.
This isn't news nor is it criminality on Trump's part.
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The nyt article points to extensive and vast fraud not just loopholes.
 
OscarLevant said:
They are saying that what he was paid would be equivalent to 1 million in today's dollars.

So even if it was a paltry $250,000 he's still got a silver spoon in his baby mouth
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Which figure would you, or young Donald prefer. $1 million a year, or the equivalent of $1 million a year? Which one would make you a millionaire?
 
Anthony60 said:
Oh, boy! You've got him this time, I'm sure! Even though it's the 155th time that you've really got him, I think this one is it!
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Well if you were arguing Trump is making criminality and fraud normal you are getting close to being correct


What is really sad and hasn't occurred to you is that this is accelerating the decline of America
 
OscarLevant said:
They are saying that what he was paid would be equivalent to 1 million in today's dollars.

So even if it was a paltry $250,000 he's still got a silver spoon in his baby mouth
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Why should either of us care how much Trump had as a toddler? I don't covet what he has.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
The New York Times doesn't agree with your assessment that they are 'obvious', they call them 'suspect'. For some reason you need to twist the story to make it say more than it does.

So many stray documents, often without any signature or initials to indicate that they were used, or stray pages (one document had page 8 without page 1-7 or how many after that). When there is a there there, let us know.
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I don't give a damn about what words the NYT uses to describe the arrangements - it's IMO clearly and obviously tax fraud, and I worked on estate and gift matters more or less full time for several years, and still work on estate matters regularly today. When daddy invests $millions in a successful venture, then sells his stake to Donnie for $10k, that's a gift of $millions. They didn't report it as a gift, in fact daddy used the bogus selling price to claim a big loss for income tax purposes - that's FRAUD. Inflating invoices from a holding company owned by kiddies charged to daddy's companies to shift profits from daddy's pockets to Donnie and the kids are also disguised gifts, and not reporting those transfers at FMV as gifts is FRAUD. If you want to take any of the many examples and argue they're somehow legal, go for it.

Or you could keep beating the dead horse of the NYT presenting the numbers adjusted for inflation if you'd rather avoid discussing ANY of the substance of the 40,000 word piece.
 
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Anthony60 said:
You guys just stay focused on trying to bring him down, any way possible. I know you'll get there (not!). In the meantime, we'll go forward with all the jobs, great economy, foreign policy, etc... Hey, did you hear, he made a deal with Canada? Not as important to the left as listening to a porn lawyer's latest burp and such, but there are other things going on.
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America's influence in the world is shrinking due to Trump. Trump is a master of the shiny objects which fool his base and obfuscates the greater reality where he's literally destroyed a number of institutions and Foreign Relations which those institutions have spent 50 years building up. Once a real leader and president becomes elected he won't be able to reverse the damage Trump has done very quickly.

With soaring deficits and debt looming and the rich getting much richer and the poor getting poorer don't count your economic chickens. let's see what it looks like at the end of 2020
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Why should either of us care how much Trump had as a toddler? I don't covet what he has.
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Trump ran his campaign on being the self-made billionaire the New York Times article clearly blows that con job out of the water
 
JasperL said:
I don't give a damn about what words the NYT uses to describe the arrangements - it's IMO clearly and obviously tax fraud, and I worked on estate and gift matters more or less full time for several years, and still work on estate matters regularly today. When daddy invests $millions in a successful venture, then sells his stake to Donnie for $10k, that's a gift of $millions. They didn't report it as a gift, in fact daddy used the bogus selling price to claim a big loss for income tax purposes - that's FRAUD. Inflating invoices from a holding company owned by kiddies charged to daddy's companies to shift profits from daddy's pockets to Donnie and the kids are also disguised gifts, and not reporting those transfers at FMV as gifts is FRAUD. If you want to take any of the many examples and argue they're somehow legal, go for it.

Or you could keep beating the dead horse of the NYT presenting the numbers adjusted for inflation if you'd rather avoid discussing ANY of the substance of the 40,000 word piece.
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Words are pretty much all that there is in this story and a few stray mostly unsigned documents. There were only 14,230 words in the NYT story, but keep repeating inaccurate numbers that don't matter and blindly keep your focus on your narrative.
 
OscarLevant said:
Trump ran his campaign on being the self-made billionaire the New York Times article clearly blows that con job out of the water
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I respect your desire to have politicians be truthful. The world must be a pretty disappointing place for you.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Words are pretty much all that there is in this story and a few stray mostly unsigned documents. There were only 14,230 words in the NYT story, but keep repeating inaccurate numbers that don't matter and blindly keep your focus on your narrative.
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LOL, you're right on the Word count - my error. Someone else used the number and I repeated it.
 
jonny5 said:
Im ok with this. The estate tax is immoral, so most anything people can do to avoid the IRS taking your property when you die is right, so long as it doesnt directly harm others.
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So you are okay with breaking all the laws you personally don't agree with. Got it.
 
cabse5 said:
Right. I attempt to evade paying as much tax as I can. I look for all the loopholes.
This isn't news nor is it criminality on Trump's part.
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It wasn't a "loophole". It was fraud.
 

Another bombshell from the NY TIMES, eh? Wonder how long it will be until they walk it, or portions thereof, back?[/QUOTE]

You seem confident. You should hold your breath then.
 
JasperL said:
I don't give a damn about what words the NYT uses to describe the arrangements - it's IMO clearly and obviously tax fraud, and I worked on estate and gift matters more or less full time for several years, and still work on estate matters regularly today. When daddy invests $millions in a successful venture, then sells his stake to Donnie for $10k, that's a gift of $millions. They didn't report it as a gift, in fact daddy used the bogus selling price to claim a big loss for income tax purposes - that's FRAUD. Inflating invoices from a holding company owned by kiddies charged to daddy's companies to shift profits from daddy's pockets to Donnie and the kids are also disguised gifts, and not reporting those transfers at FMV as gifts is FRAUD. If you want to take any of the many examples and argue they're somehow legal, go for it.

Or you could keep beating the dead horse of the NYT presenting the numbers adjusted for inflation if you'd rather avoid discussing ANY of the substance of the 40,000 word piece.
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Trump thinks that he is above the law. It has now been clearly shown that he used campaign funds for political purposes (Hush Money). Nixon resigned for this same exact crime. For Trump - just business as usual.
 
JasperL said:
Interesting. Who could have seen the "everyone does it" defense coming?
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It's not so much a defense of it, because I object to the lies. I think the law should apply to all, and that perjury should be prosecuted.

It is more of a rationalization on my part, so that I don't lose any sleep over what a moral cesspool the center of government has become.
 
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