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[W:190]White House limits scope of the FBI's investigation into the allegations against Kavanaugh

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And finally the other shoe drops. This is what had me on edge the moment an FBI investigation with "limited scope" was to be reopened. Republicans are trying to engage in a coverup after all.

WASHINGTON — The White House is limiting the scope of the FBI’s investigation into the sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, multiple people briefed on the matter told NBC News.

While the FBI will examine the allegations of Christine Blasey Ford and Deborah Ramirez, the bureau has not been permitted to investigate the claims of Julie Swetnick, who has accused Kavanaugh of engaging in sexual misconduct at parties while he was a student at Georgetown Preparatory School in the 1980s, those people familiar with the investigation told NBC News. A White House official confirmed that Swetnick's claims will not be pursued as part of the reopened background investigation into Kavanaugh.

Ford said in Senate testimony Thursday that she was "100 percent" certain that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her when they were both in high school. Ramirez alleged that he exposed himself to her when there were students at Yale. Kavanaugh has staunchly denied allegations from Ford, Ramirez and Swetnick.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...vestigation-allegations-against-brett-n915061

If this is to be a sham investigation as it is certainly looks to be, then I have no faith in any conclusion that clears Kavanaugh.
 
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Cardinal said:
And finally the other shoe drops. This is what had me on edge the moment an FBI investigation with "limited scope" was to be reopened. Republicans are trying to engage in a coverup after all.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...vestigation-allegations-against-brett-n915061

If this is to be a sham investigation as it is certainly looks to be, then I have no faith in any conclusion that clears Kavanaugh.
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If this report is true - the entire investigation is a betrayal of what was promised when Flake talked about the accusations already made as of last Thursday. The Swetnick accusation was already public and being discussed. It should be part of this FBI investigation and if it is not - we start this stuff all over again and Trump and Kavanaugh have only themselves to blame for it.
 
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In other shocking news, ice is still pretty damn cold today.

(Did anyone actually think that Republicans would sit back for an open ended investigation into Kavanaugh?)
 
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They only have a week and they should be focusing on the most credible allegations. Swetnick has not provided enough information that I know of to warrant spending time on it from the FBI at this point. The reason I say this is because they only have 1 week. With 5 different women making claims and a slew of potential witnesses unfortunately the FBI will have to narrow down whether ordered to or not. That is the problem with putting a time frame on an investigation. There is a reason they are limiting the time that the FBI can spend, and that is because they want to limit the information that can be uncovered.
 
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haymarket said:
If this report is true - the entire investigation is a betrayal of what was promised when Flake talked about the accusations already made as of last Thursday. The Swetnick accusation was already public and being discussed. It should be part of this FBI investigation and if it is not - we start this stuff all over again and Trump and Kavanaugh have only themselves to blame for it.
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There is no way Trump would approve a 2nd investigation.
 
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Kreton said:
There is no way Trump would approve a 2nd investigation.
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Apparently he did not even approve all that he was suppose to approve in the first one.
 
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You don't give a damn about whether or not he abused somebody. You just have a political motivation to oppose a Republican nominee. You'll continue to oppose him no matter what. All of the roles would be reversed if it was a liberal judge. People are shallow and full of faux outrage.
 
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Kreton said:
They only have a week and they should be focusing on the most credible allegations. Swetnick has not provided enough information that I know of to warrant spending time on it from the FBI at this point. The reason I say this is because they only have 1 week. With 5 different women making claims and a slew of potential witnesses unfortunately the FBI will have to narrow down whether ordered to or not. That is the problem with putting a time frame on an investigation. There is a reason they are limiting the time that the FBI can spend, and that is because they want to limit the information that can be uncovered.
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Every allegation is credible and what they could lear within the week regarding Swetnick may have been very helpful.
 
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Swetnick's "account" is ridiculous.

She is alleging she went to 10 or 11 parties with the Kavanaugh "crew" where she saw people drugging the drinks, then gang-raping girls. That eventually she herself was drugged and gang-raped. That Kavanaugh was there but he did not participate in HER gang-rape, but thought he had in other gang rapes.

So, we have a woman who was 20 years old, who says she saw boys drugging girls at several parties and then gang-rape them...yet she kept going until SHE was allegedly gang-raped?

Really? You consider this a rational story needing investigation?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Swetnick's "account" is ridiculous.
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Cut the bull ****. You know zero of the actual details, its just more excuses for you and your kind.
 
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Do we know whether or not it was the FBI's decision to not pursue Swetnick's allegations? The reported parameters of the investigation were "credible" accusations as of the time of the committee hearing. Perhaps the Bureau itself concluded that Swetnick's claims weren't credible.

With only a week to work with, this may not be the worst thing ever. And let's not fail to consider that information revealed in the primary investigation of the two "credible" accusations could branch off to credible leads--potentially including Swetnick's.
 
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dex4974 said:
1) You don't give a damn about whether or not he abused somebody.

2) You just have a political motivation to oppose a Republican nominee.

3)You'll continue to oppose him no matter what.

4)All of the roles would be reversed if it was a liberal judge.

5) People are shallow and full of faux outrage.
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1) Hardly. His sexual depravity, and political depravity, are part of the same thing, the same culture. Traditional male culture is a zero sum game. In zero sum, power has to be taken, there is no win win solution. Slavery is just an extreme example of the same reasoning that abuses women.

2) You mean extreme Right wingnut. A moderate would get through easily, and you know it. You know, someone like Merick Garland, a guy that didn't have a double bitted axe to grind.

3) And try to impeach if he does get confirmed.

4) Not really. Name one extremist nominee.

5) Project much?
 
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Floridafan said:
Every allegation is credible and what they could lear within the week regarding Swetnick may have been very helpful.
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If they were to spend much time on Swetnick they might not be putting enough time into Fords. I'd rather have 2 full investigations than 5 half ass ones. Granted I rather they all be investigated but that isn't an option.
 
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Cardinal said:
And finally the other shoe drops. This is what had me on edge the moment an FBI investigation with "limited scope" was to be reopened. Republicans are trying to engage in a coverup after all.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...vestigation-allegations-against-brett-n915061

If this is to be a sham investigation as it is certainly looks to be, then I have no faith in any conclusion that clears Kavanaugh.
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Since the Senate didn't see fit to conduct a hearing on any allegations other than Ford's, why should the FBI conduct an investigation on anything other than Ford's allegations?

Sorry Dems, you won't be able to trot out more ridiculous, unsupported allegations and try to get the FBI to investigate them. It's bad enough that Sanders is trying. You'll have to be satisfied with "limited".
 
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LincolnRossiter said:
Do we know whether or not it was the FBI's decision to not pursue Swetnick's allegations?
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From the OP:

"Instead of investigating Swetnick's claims, the White House counsel’s office has given the FBI a list of witnesses they are permitted to interview,"

If the White House insists on defining the parameters of the investigation, then Democrats are back to square one: determining how to impeach Kavanaugh at a later date or pack the Supreme Court.
 
Re: White House limits scope of the FBI's investigation into the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh

Cardinal said:
And finally the other shoe drops. This is what had me on edge the moment an FBI investigation with "limited scope" was to be reopened. Republicans are trying to engage in a coverup after all.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...vestigation-allegations-against-brett-n915061

If this is to be a sham investigation as it is certainly looks to be, then I have no faith in any conclusion that clears Kavanaugh.
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Ranting that the FBI is only investigation allegations against Kavanaugh and not also whether 911 was an inside job and was the moon landing a fake! :lamo
 
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Kreton said:
If they were to spend much time on Swetnick they might not be putting enough time into Fords. I'd rather have 2 full investigations than 5 half ass ones. Granted I rather they all be investigated but that isn't an option.
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The investigation should include every credible source, and if it takes a few days extra, its no big deal.
 
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late said:
4) Not really. Name one extremist nominee.
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If everything was the same except Kavanaugh hated Trump and pushed for left wing policy you would all be arguing opposite positions. That's because most of you are partisan hacks and will simply make excuses for and push for your team no matter what the situation is.
 
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Floridafan said:
Every allegation is credible and what they could lear within the week regarding Swetnick may have been very helpful.
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Yes, the guy posted an anonymous Tweet and when contacted quickly treeted it all was a mistake and never mind is definitely "credible." Obviously, he should be indicted for false police report in his claiming he just made it all up. Anyone who does NOT make an accusation against Kavanaugh is a liar. :lamo
 
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Floridafan said:
The investigation should include every credible source, and if it takes a few days extra, its no big deal.
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A few extra days is not an option. You do understand that it isn't me putting a time stamp on this right? They have been given a deadline. There are no "extra days".
 
Re: White House limits scope of the FBI's investigation into the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh

Cardinal said:
From the OP:

"Instead of investigating Swetnick's claims, the White House counsel’s office has given the FBI a list of witnesses they are permitted to interview,"

If the White House insists on defining the parameters of the investigation, then Democrats are back to square one: determining how to impeach Kavanaugh at a later date or pack the Supreme Court.
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Full disclosure, I almost never take the time to click links, so the more robust the OP itself, the better. Sorry if that makes me lazy. ;) But the Counsel's office taking that direct a hand in guiding (manipulating) the investigation is, indeed, discouraging. But it's not all-controlling. Knowing what I know of how federal investigations work, if they come across something that begs for the scope of the investigation to be broadened while conducting their primary investigation (stark example: say someone credibly alleges that a drunken Kavanaugh once killed a homeless guy with a brick in New Haven for kicks) the FBI would pursue that, and engage local LE. How the approval for that would work is muddled, because there's really no legal mechanism for the WH to order DoJ to not investigate crimes.
 
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dex4974 said:
If everything was the same except Kavanaugh hated Trump and pushed for left wing policy you would all be arguing opposite positions. That's because most of you are partisan hacks and will simply make excuses for and push for your team no matter what the situation is.
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Nope.

This was intended to be a bipartisan process, and it was, until Republicans went crazy. You, quite simply, don't know what you're talking about.

You couldn't find a Dem judge spouting conspiracy theories in the middle of a temper tantrum because no such thing has ever happened before.

He's unfit to be a judge, much less a member of the high court. Which is not me advocating his removal. If, at some time in the future, when all the truth comes out, if the ABA disbars him, he will be asked to step down. It would be better for everyone if he wasn't on the high court when that happens.
 
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joko104 said:
Yes, the guy posted an anonymous Tweet and when contacted quickly treeted it all was a mistake and never mind is definitely "credible." Obviously, he should be indicted for false police report in his claiming he just made it all up. Anyone who does NOT make an accusation against Kavanaugh is a liar. :lamo
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You still do not know WTF you are talking about
 
Re: White House limits scope of the FBI's investigation into the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh

Cardinal said:
And finally the other shoe drops. This is what had me on edge the moment an FBI investigation with "limited scope" was to be reopened. Republicans are trying to engage in a coverup after all.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...vestigation-allegations-against-brett-n915061

If this is to be a sham investigation as it is certainly looks to be, then I have no faith in any conclusion that clears Kavanaugh.
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Swetnicks allegations should be investigated. They are such obvious lies that either she or her scumbag lawyer should be facing charges. Hopefully Trump will reconsider.
 
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LincolnRossiter said:
Full disclosure, I almost never take the time to click links, so the more robust the OP itself, the better. Sorry if that makes me lazy. ;) But the Counsel's office taking that direct a hand in guiding (manipulating) the investigation is, indeed, discouraging. But it's not all-controlling. Knowing what I know of how federal investigations work, if they come across something that begs for the scope of the investigation to be broadened while conducting their primary investigation (stark example: say someone credibly alleges that a drunken Kavanaugh once killed a homeless guy with a brick in New Haven for kicks) the FBI would pursue that, and engage local LE. How the approval for that would work is muddled, because there's really no legal mechanism for the WH to order DoJ to not investigate crimes.
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They characterized the White House instructions as a significant constraint on the FBI investigation and caution that such a limited scope, while not unusual in normal circumstances, may make it difficult to pursue additional leads in a case in which a Supreme Court nominee has been accused of sexual assault.

The limited scope seems to be at odds with what some members of the Senate judiciary seemed to expect when they agreed to give the FBI as much as a week to investigate allegations against Kavanaugh.
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