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Kavanaugh nomination advances amid call for FBI probe, Senate vote delay

JANFU said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/28/politics/kavanaugh-senate-judiciary-vote/index.html



Over to bother leaders in the Seante

If they do not agree, will Flake vote against?

I cannot see them not agreeing to a 1 week delay pending the FBI investigation
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Im actually for this. I have absolutely NO reason to deny this and with that the Republicans are some what backed in a corner.

WITH THAT also I heard senator Flakes SPECIFIC he sated that a 1 week ONLY FBI investigation IN SPECIFICITY TO FORD's claim ONLY. That is where the buck stops with me as well.

Likely Flake agrees that it wont take much to get the FBI to ask the 4 key witness if they are willing to testify. They ALL have a right to decline. They have made legal statements that are admissible.

So it really wont take much longer than a week.


FINAL point. The ACTUAL delay tactic that needs to be put to a STOP..... maintaining what Flake wanted, 1 week MAX only in specificity to Ford's claim ONLY.

Ford's was delayed a week, then 2 other allegations popped up that delayed it another week. Allegations can KEEP popping up and keep delaying them EVEN as CRAZY as Avanati/Julie setwick. That is utter horse poop.


So I say Give them them the week.. give them the scope of FORD's claim only. within the week if the FBI cannot find corroboration and additional evidence than its closed and we move on Thats it!
 
Exactice said:
Im actually for this. I have absolutely NO reason to deny this and with that the Republicans are some what backed in a corner.

WITH THAT also I heard senator Flakes SPECIFIC he sated that a 1 week ONLY FBI investigation IN SPECIFICITY TO FORD's claim ONLY. That is where the buck stops with me as well.

Likely Flake agrees that it wont take much to get the FBI to ask the 4 key witness if they are willing to testify. They ALL have a right to decline. They have made legal statements that are admissible.

So it really wont take much longer than a week.


FINAL point. The ACTUAL delay tactic that needs to be put to a STOP..... maintaining what Flake wanted, 1 week MAX only in specificity to Ford's claim ONLY.

Ford's was delayed a week, then 2 other allegations popped up that delayed it another week. Allegations can KEEP popping up and keep delaying them EVEN as CRAZY as Avanati/Julie setwick. That is utter horse poop.


So I say Give them them the week.. give them the scope of FORD's claim only. within the week if the FBI cannot find corroboration and additional evidence than its closed and we move on Thats it!
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Many including myself have fully supported an FBI investigation of the allegations.
 
ludin said:
there is little for the FBI to investigate.
i will them more time flying to these places and talking to lawyers than it will

to collect the statements.

that is all that is going to happen.
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Actually this likely holds true Flake stated it might take only 2 days.

There really is NOT MUCH more to investigate. Here testimony did NOT provide any more grounds to investigate further.

the 4 people are ON record they have the right to decline any further interviews as they provided a LEGAL sworn statement.

with that, I was listing to the other Senator that stated the process... the FBI was given the additional info from Feinstein and Grassley I think and they did what the did and Closed their file. So while there was NO full blown investigation they are aware and did some due diligence already?
 
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JANFU said:
Many including myself have fully supported an FBI investigation of the allegations.
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I can respect that. I have personally fought it on principle ONLY not emotion.

the principle that stands is.

1) Its not a Federal crime
2) The situation happened at a state level, so the state police has more than enough jurisdiction and ability to investigate it.
3) Unfortunately with 6 prior investigations over 26 years no corroboration founded to edify I doubt the FBI will find more.
4) Innocent until proven guilty, you cannot demand an investigation without a filing, when was this filed to the Law enforcement?


Anyways again if this will be the olive branch that will allow some democrats the solace to accept the situation Im all for it. BUT again it MUST stay withing the specified scope because, another week means ANOTHER week of opportunities to set out more accusations and anyone wanna bet that I GUARANTEE there will be more allegations if we get a week extension? ANYONE???

Then they will demand and other delay and another and another. When will it end?
 
JANFU said:
Because it came after the FBI concluded their investigation. Is that fact unknown to you?
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So again what are they going to investigate?

why can't you guys ever answer the question?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
My guess is they will question classmates and friends and people who traveled in those circles during that time frame. There could be people with further information in favor of or against the accusations who didn’t come forward voluntarily. There is no harm in this. In fact if we assume the FBI won’t find anything damning then Kavanaugh should welcome it. I don’t see any downsides to a week long investigation.

Of course Trump will have to authorize it.
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no they are not. they are restricted to the allegations of the charge.
they are not allowed to go on a wild goose chase.

unless those friends or classmates have any knowledge of this party and so far there are only 3 named eye witnesses
the FBI is not going to ask out side of that.
 
JANFU said:
It is so.
2 outcomes- clears Kavanaugh - or confirms the allegations.
If confirmed, the Nomination is withdrawn. If it clears him, expect Red State Democrats to vote for K
Either one will be truthful. I have full confidence the FBI can investigate all allegations, that were in front of the Judiciary Committee and in the one week limit

Now it is in McConnell's hands- If he refuses, IMHO Flake may vote against
I am sure Flake will pay this close to the vest, and his replies will be, wait for the FBI report
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What could possibly clear him?

If having all the named witnesses say they remember no such party or incident doesn't do it, what would?
 
ludin said:
So again what are they going to investigate?

why can't you guys ever answer the question?
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Cuz the answer hasn't been provided to them yet? That's usually the way it goes.
 
Cardinal said:
A respectable nominee would never have allowed himself to be a part of this process. A respectable nominee would know that his place on the highest court in the land would be forever tainted and would want no part of it. A partisan operative, however, would not care.
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So, all that's required to get a "respectable" nominee to withdraw is a last-minute allegation with no supporting evidence, contradicted by everyone who was supposed to be a witness?

Great. That's easy.
 
I am kinda looking forward to the confirmation because

***** grabbing becomes officially sanctioned as soon as Kav is approved.

Should be crowds out gabbing tonight! A great time to be a man!

Makes me glad I did not DECIDE to go queer.
 
Exactice said:
Actually this likely holds true Flake stated it might take only 2 days.

There really is NOT MUCH more to investigate. Here testimony did NOT provide any more grounds to investigate further.

the 4 people are ON record they have the right to decline any further interviews as they provided a LEGAL sworn statement.

with that, I was listing to the other Senator that stated the process... the FBI was given the additional info from Feinstein and Grassley I think and they did what the did and Closed their file. So while there was NO full blown investigation they are aware and did some due diligence already?
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as soon as the FBI received the complaint they stuck it in the background file with his other information as is required.
that is all they will do.

if asked to look into it they are not going to go hunting down people that weren't there.
they are not going to ask everyone that these people know about it.

they are going to collect the same statements again and turn it back over to the white house.

I agree i think something did happen to her.
I think she was attacked at a high school party.

I do not think that Kavanaugh had anything to do with it.

there is no evidence to suggest that he did and 4 sworn tesimonial statements that say they have no knowledge of said event.

she presented 0 evidence during the hearing to corroborate her story.

what makes me sick is the disgusting and deplorable behavior of senate democrats acting as if what she said was true.
they are basically accusing him of sexual assault/rape.

they are the base of the base and the lowest of humanity to call someone a sexual predator without actual evidence to support it.
they are a disgrace to democracy and to our way of freedom.
 
JANFU said:
No, the FBI will either confirm or deny these allegations. Statements made are under threat of Felony for lying.
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Unlikely. It's a he said vs. she said, and her claim is missing critical details (like when and where) that would allow them to disprove anything. Unless they find evidence she made the story up, the best they will do is 'we can find no evidence to confirm or deny'.
 
Cardinal said:
If you're unable to understand why a respectable nominee would have a problem with being confirmed under this process, then you'll never understand.
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The question was: What makes him not a "respectable nominee"?

You didn't answer.

Does one unsubstantiated allegation from high school or college wipe out decades of good honorable service?
 
Any investigation should have been done 2 months ago. Feinstein held the info until after the hearings. Ford could have remained unknown, but Feinstein (and I'm sure Schumer, really) decided to use it as a delaying tactic, and screw Ford. Then they are praising her for showing up, as if they couldn't have done anything to prevent it.

As I've said before, funny how everything they do amounts to a delay and more delays. There's no reason for this superfluous investigation to take place now.
 
jimbo said:
Problem is it's not about a week. It's about one more week. The first hearing was Sep 2 or thereabouts. That's pushing a month. Do you actually think a new FBI investigation that turns up nothing will be the end of it and the anti Kavanaugh BS will stop? I don't.
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No, it won't stop, no matter what the FBI says. We'll be hearing for the rest of our lives that Trump put a "rapist" on the Supreme Court.

However, it will go to a vote in the Senate.
 
noonereal said:
I am kinda looking forward to the confirmation because

***** grabbing becomes officially sanctioned as soon as Kav is approved.

Should be crowds out gabbing tonight! A great time to be a man!

Makes me glad I did not DECIDE to go queer.
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i guess you didn't hear where kavanaugh stated that sexual assault was disgusting and was
a horrid crime to make. that friends of his have been sexually assaulted and he was able to help them

we have years and years of women that still remain friends to this day with this man and hold him in high esteem.
women don't do that to a guy that is like you suggest a serial rapist and abuser of women.

take your nonsense elsewhere it has no place in civilized discussions.
 
bubbabgone said:
Cuz the answer hasn't been provided to them yet? That's usually the way it goes.
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that i what i am thinking.

the want an investigation. ok what are you going to investigate that hasn't already been known or come out?

silence.
 
ludin said:
with 0 charges of sexual assault
or sexual harassment
or anything else from any of the women who have clerked for him.

which is amazing in and of itself.

which is amazing for what the left keeps trying to paint as the most criminal serial rapist we have ever found.
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That was my thought too. I find it unlikely a person would go from having drunken orgies and group rapes every weekend in high school (and maybe as a college freshman) to being a boy scout with no issues for the next 30+ years.
 
Fledermaus said:
The question was: What makes him not a "respectable nominee"?

You didn't answer.

Does one unsubstantiated allegation from high school or college wipe out decades of good honorable service?
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he won't give you a straight answer he so just don't expect it.
 
dcsports said:
That was my thought too. I find it unlikely a person would go from having drunken orgies and group rapes every weekend in high school (and maybe as a college freshman) to being a boy scout with no issues for the next 30+ years.
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as someone said you will find that most people that do this have a long history of abuse.
it is continued patterned behavior.
 
ludin said:
what are they going to investigate?
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Oh I don't know... get statements from as many people as possible in regards to the alleged attempted rape, who was where when, etc. And determine if there is evidence that either Ford or Kavanugh contradicted that can be substantiated. You know, the kind of things the FBI does and didn't do last time because there wasn't a reason too?

I know you're in a tizzy because you just to shove the nomination through but tough titty said the mouse to the kitty.
 
vanceen said:
What could possibly clear him?

If having all the named witnesses say they remember no such party or incident doesn't do it, what would?
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Different when under threat of Felony for lying to the FBI.
Not stating or implying they did lie.

K utilized his calendar to prove where he was, who he was with. What happens if there were other parties he was at that are not on his heavily referenced calendar. Would that throw his calendar into question?

It is not only in regards to that particular party- The investigation includes all allegations that were entered into the Judiciary Committee record.

No new allegations will be investigated.
 
ludin said:
yes the request to re-open the background check comes from the white house. as this is not a federal crime the FBI has no stake in it.
they will get the same information that they already have. if anything this is a great waste of taxpayer dollars.
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The FBI is responsible for vetting and therefore they very much have a stake in it if Trump determines additional vetting is necessary. The allegations against Kavanaugh occurred after his previous vetting. Given what we have heard, with attention to the position for which Kavanaugh is being considered additional investigation is very much warranted.

That is part of the insanity of this entire process. If the FBI had investigated the allegations against Kavanaugh in the beginning we'd be further down the road. For reasons we don't know the GOP members of the committee have done everything they could to avoid the FBI being involved.

The committee did not subpoena the very person who could have likely exonerated Kavanugh rather quickly, Mark Judge, the alleged 3rd person in the room. The GOP members on the committee have repeatedly attempted to avoid Mark Judge as much as Mark Judge has avoided the committee. Yes, Mark Judge, did make a statement to the committee through his attorney. He said he has no recollection of the event. Mark Judge's statement was not a deposition. Answering questions from the FBI is an entirely different ballgame.

In addition, Kavanaugh was surprisingly vague yesterday. He was at times unhinged. He contradicted some previous statements he made. If most men and women in the military who have been vetted for clearances for much lesser jobs had assed around questions as Kavanaugh did yesterday I am fairly certain the FBI would have additional work to do.
 
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