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Avenatti releases client’s identity, allegations against Kavanaugh

TurtleDude said:
yeah innocent in until proven guilty is going to be pissed on by the metoo movement. and after this goes on a while, there will be a backlash and women who really are abused will be ignored because of the crap that has gone on with Duke Lax, this man etc
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Ignoring accusations because it is a woman is what is being "pissed on". Assuming women lie about these things is also out the window. You need to get with the times.
 
LincolnRossiter said:
From The Hill

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/news/408490-avenatti-releases-clients-identity-allegations-against-kavanaugh%3famp



It’s doesn’t appear that this accuser’s sworn testimony directly implicates Kavanaugh in participating in a group assault, but her affidavit does poke one more hole in his choir boy persona. Tough to see how GOP leadership keeps plowing ahead without sussing some of this out.
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Looks like we will have 1/3 of our male supremes accused of attacking women.
The orange blob will be proud
 
Chomsky said:
No, it means she is aware of a crime being committed. Let's see what she discloses when she testifies to the committee, and/or discloses to law enforcement.
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If she was aware of crimes being committed at all ten of the high school parties she willing attended, how come a 20 year old woman didn't report this to the proper authorities? And why does a 20 year old woman even want to attend high school parties where they know sex crimes are occurring? That's creepy and disturbing, in itself to knowingly put yourself in harm's way.
 
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Okay everyone keeps bringing up why she would go to "these" parties. Being the same age and someone who partied a LOT in the eighties it is safe to assume that she attended many, many parties, but recalls gang raped at ten, and the coincidence was nudge and kavanaugh and their circle of friends were at those.

Just like when a certain person o two were at a party you would know what drugs were there.
 
trixare4kids said:
Yeah, this is not looking good for her credibility, and perhaps, she has even criminally jeopardized herself.
Not that skeezy, attention whoring porn lawyer would care about her. She's just a means to his end.
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Not only could she be prosecuted, but since the "covert drugging" was only NOW revealed, ANY woman there could sue her BIG TIME - as could ANY underaged guy she admittedly had sex with. She has BOTH criminal and CIVIL liabilities. And her lawyer got her to swear to her HUGE and INCREDIBLY EVIL major criminal crimes and civil offenses. ANYONE who could show having been at that party has BOTH a CRIMINAL and CIVIL complaint against her.

Publicly, we now all know she is a pedophile rapist and participated in drugging young women for gang rape - and in drugging minor aged boys for herself because she wanted train sex for herself - with minors. If any security clearance she still has is not jerked ASAP something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

Swell lawyer she's got, huh?

Avenatti to his client: "Sign this sworn confession to numerous major felonies you could go to prison for life for and confessing to civil torts you can be sued for millions over and you'll make us both famous."

Somehow, I think he only told her "I'll make you a Democrat feminist hero!" and not the confessions to crimes and actionable torts part.
 
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Lursa said:
What will happen, going forward, is that women wont wait to come forward. The MeToo# movement is making it safer for women to come forward now. To not be afraid to come forward, to understand that they are much likelier to be believed now.
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I can see how someone who is raped-especially a male (with the stigma of that still extremely strong) not coming forward. I find the Ford claims to be dubious at best and her waiting 36 years smacks of oozing bull excrement. what's the stigma of saying some drunk kid groped you? versus some boy admitted he got "Ned Beattyed" by a priest or some older man?
 
TurtleDude said:
why did a washington insider not bring this up when she had to know that Kavanaugh was involved in a THREE YEAR confirmation battle 15 years ago? why did she continue to go to such parties if this truly happened. Here's the thing, Kavanaugh cannot absolutely prove she is lying because I doubt others will admit to this happening.. That doesn't prove he did anything wrong-it merely proves those witnesses never saw anything/ Her declaration was created by an attorney who wanted to maximize the smear without saying anything that could be PROVEN a lie merely because she cannot prove it happened.
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I can't speak for her delay here, nor can I speak for why the Cosby victims acted in the same manner. Psychologists claim this is common behaviour, but I am not a psychologist to explain it.

But I think the women need to be asked this in the proper venue, via professionals experienced in these matters. I believe the FBI should be involved, and do not trust the GOP to have the bipartisanship or professional judgment.
 
TurtleDude said:
I sure do and if some guy I claim was a rapist was up for confirmation in the city where I worked, I sure would know. I ve been retired from DOJ close to five years now. Its been 12 years since I last worked with Judge Thapar and its been several years since I last saw him. My last somewhat direct contact with him was oblique-at the Cincinnati Yale Club Dinner two years ago-June 16, 2016, my friend from Yale Professor Akhil Reed Amar was the speaker. Two Yale Law graduates attended the dinner with Professor Amar. One was a local guy who was actually working for the Clinton campaign-he had gone to Georgetown IIRC and then Yale. the second guy was from Miami Florida and had majored at Harvard and was in the area because he was about to start a clerkship (after the bar exam a month later) with Judge Thapar. Professor Amar noted to him that he might well end up clerking for a Sixth Circuit Judge-and this appeared to be a good prediction. The soon to be Thapar clerk spent much of the dinner asking me about Amul.

now I certainly knew when Thapar was made the US Attorney for the ED Of KY and when he was elevated to the district court and his nomination to the Sixth Circuit was the subject of hundreds of emails between people I used to work with.
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So you worked for DoJ and can claim to have been aware of the nomination of one Judge with whom you had a long-standing association? Ok.

Can you name anybody up for nomination right now? I’m sure you get my point. Most of these nominations are not very widely publicized. It’s perfectly plausible, if not likely, that these women lost track of track of Kavanaugh before his nomination to the high court made him a national figure.
 
Fletch said:
Avanatti, to his credit, has just brought this entire episode to an end with this over-the-top accusation that only a hand full of idiots could possibly believe. This woman is clearly insane and Avanatti is using her for his own personal gain. Promoting obviously false accusations like this sets back the cause of women who have truly been victimized
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I agree there is a reason that this type of slim should never be tolerated by people.
yet here we are people jumping up and down with their pitch forks.

it is going to take a few days for some reason news to come out.
at this point even though it is not their job i say that trump needs to let the FBI look into it
then arrest all of these women if one thing turns out not to be true.
 
joko104 said:
Not only could she be prosecuted, but since the "covert drugging" was only NOW revealed, ANY woman there could sue her BIG TIME - as could ANY underaged guy she admittedly have sex with. She has BOTH criminal and CIVIL liabilities. And her lawyer got her to swear to her HUGE and INCREDIBLY EVIL major criminal crimes and civil offenses. ANYONE who could show having been at that party has BOTH a CRIMINAL and CIVIL complaint against her.

Publicly, we all know she is a pedophile rapist and participated in drugging young women for gang rape - and in drugging minor aged boys for herself because she liked train sex herself - with minors. If any security clearance she still has is not jerked ASAP something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

Swell lawyer she's got, huh?
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That's what I was thinking, what lawyer in their right mind would implicate their client in a sworn statement of crimes that are still prosecutable?


Tim-
 
GDViking said:
Of course he denied it. Did he put it in writing under oath as she did?

He was a black out drunk and not only that it has been clearly established by his roommate and many others that he was the mind of guy that wasn't interested in committing a girl to memory.
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The judiciary comittee questioned him about it yesteady under oath and penalty of felony.
 
VanceMack said:
No...its COMPLETELY relevant. By her own admission SHE apparently is "ok" with gang rape (your words) because SHE knew about it, watched MANY girls getting raped, until now never said a word, and continued to go to the parties and even drank the kool aid.
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hehe...it's amazing how far you guys will stoop. It really is. It shouldn't be at this point, but … yeah, still is. And if I have to explain to you why, you wouldn't understand even if I did.
 
Chomsky said:
She is witnessing to him spiking the drinks, Ludin.

And why did none of the Cosby victims come forward, contemporaneously? Are you saying this precludes Cosby's guilt, too? This is your logical argument?
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Cosby was indicted and went to trial and was found guilty. Kavanaugh has not been indicted and is not under arrest and there has been no trial. But you claim he is guilty because you believe a woman that has not one corroraberation to her claims. In fact her claims have no credibility at all. She comes forward to stop Kavanaugh who she thinks will kill abortions. So the baby killers come forward with false claims to destroy a person and his family to keep sacred the right to kill babies.
 
YorkshirePete said:
Looks like we will have 1/3 of our male supremes accused of attacking women.
The orange blob will be proud
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You didn't disappoint. You're already parroting the left's newest :liar manufactured narrative....
 
Chomsky said:
I can't speak for her delay here, nor can I speak for why the Cosby victims acted in the same manner. Psychologists claim this is common behaviour, but I am not a psychologist to explain it.

But I think the women need to be asked this in the proper venue, via professionals experienced in these matters. I believe the FBI should be involved, and do not trust the GOP to have the bipartisanship or professional judgment.
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I know people that have been sexually assaulted personally.
they know when, where, the date, how often, and who it was.

there are not gaps or huge amounts of missing information in their memories.

they know very specific details down to smells and sounds and everything else.
it is not something that they simply forget or lose account of.

they sure as hell don't know anything at all or even if the person was there or not.
 
OlNate said:
hehe...it's amazing how far you guys will stoop. It really is. It shouldn't be at this point, but … yeah, still is. And if I have to explain to you why, you wouldn't understand even if I did.
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By all means, explain it.
 
joko104 said:
Not only could she be prosecuted, but since the "covert drugging" was only NOW revealed, ANY woman there could sue her BIG TIME - as could ANY underaged guy she admittedly had sex with. She has BOTH criminal and CIVIL liabilities. And her lawyer got her to swear to her HUGE and INCREDIBLY EVIL major criminal crimes and civil offenses. ANYONE who could show having been at that party has BOTH a CRIMINAL and CIVIL complaint against her.

Publicly, we now all know she is a pedophile rapist and participated in drugging young women for gang rape - and in drugging minor aged boys for herself because she liked train sex herself - with minors. If any security clearance she still has is not jerked ASAP something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

Swell lawyer she's got, huh?

Avenatti to his client: "Sign this sworn confession to numerous major felonies you could go to prison for life for and confessing to civil torts you can be sued for millions over and you'll make us both famous."

Somehow, I think he only told her "I'll make you a Democrat feminist hero!" and not the confessions to crimes and actionable torts part.
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Maybe one of our resident attorneys will comment more on the above. I'm not positive, but it does seem like she may be "complicit" since she was an adult at parties and witnessed crimes.
 
GDViking said:
Okay everyone keeps bringing up why she would go to "these" parties. Being the same age and someone who partied a LOT in the eighties it is safe to assume that she attended many, many parties, but recalls gang raped at ten, and the coincidence was nudge and kavanaugh and their circle of friends were at those.

Just like when a certain person o two were at a party you would know what drugs were there.
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here is the issue for her. she was 19 and 20 years old at the time.
most of the guys there were < 18.

she has just possibly put herself on the hook for sex with a minor.
Kavanaugh says that he doestn' know her for good reason.

he was only 16-17 at the time.
 
Fletch said:
Dishonest charges like the ones Avanatti just brought forward will only make it harder for women to come forward and be believed in the future. But Avanatti is more famous so it was worth it.
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Who says they're dishonest?
 
iguanaman said:
Ignoring accusations because it is a woman is what is being "pissed on". Assuming women lie about these things is also out the window. You need to get with the times.
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They do i have already proven that women do lie about sexual assault.
which is why the burden of proof is on them to prove it not the men.
 
YorkshirePete said:
Looks like we will have 1/3 of our male supremes accused of attacking women.
The orange blob will be proud
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She literally has sworn out a confession that she is a rapist!

1. She swore she KNEW the punch was SECRETLY being spiked.

2. She swears she had sex with male who did NOT know they had been drugged - but she did know they had been drugged so know they were not of a mind to freely give consent.

THAT MAKES HER A RAPIST no matter how you otherwise read it. SHE HAD SEX with people SHE KNEW had SECRETLY been drugged. THAT IS RAPE. SHE IS A RAPIST!
 
TurtleDude said:
I can see how someone who is raped-especially a male (with the stigma of that still extremely strong) not coming forward. I find the Ford claims to be dubious at best and her waiting 36 years smacks of oozing bull excrement. what's the stigma of saying some drunk kid groped you? versus some boy admitted he got "Ned Beattyed" by a priest or some older man?
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WHat's the stigma for women? Have you been under a rock for the last 50 yrs?

Have you seen what's done to women on the stand when they've been raped?

Have you seen the workplace sexual harassment swept under the rug? And then the women being fired after they try to make a statement?

It goes on and on.
 
trixare4kids said:
Maybe one of our resident attorneys will comment more on the above. I'm not positive, but it does seem like she may be "complicit" since she was an adult at parties and witnessed crimes.
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She has confessed to rape.

She SWEARS that she knew people at the party were being drugged by the punch.

She knew others there had secretly been drugged by the punch - so much that in her own words she knew at the time meant they were not of a mind to freely give consent to sex.

She had sex with people there, knowing they had been covertly drugged to the level of not of a mind to freely give consent to sex.

THAT MAKES HER A RAPIST - exactly the same as she accuses the men of - 100% exactly the same.
 
ludin said:
sure it does as she made no statement that indicated that he was involved in the drugging or the assault of anyone. then we have kavanaugh himself.

Kavanaugh issued a strong denial in response, saying in a statement: “This is ridiculous and from the Twilight Zone. I don’t know who this is and this never happened.”
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She states Kavanaugh spiked the drinks of the women to target them:

The woman, Julie Swetnick, alleged that in 1981-82, she became aware of efforts by Mr. Kavanaugh and a high-school friend, Mark Judge, to “‘spike’ the ‘punch’” at house parties she attended with drugs “and/or grain alcohol” and subsequently “target” women.
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The above is from WaPo, but she goes on to describe (in sect 12 of her statement) that she directly witnessed Judge & Kavanaugh contributing to this. Unfortunately, I can't copy off of Twitter. But it's there, if you look.
 
Fletch said:
By all means, explain it.
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Meh...maybe at some future time. At the moment I'm more than a little grossed out, if I'm honest. That there were people drugging and raping at all should be the point at which everyone stops fighting...or maybe I'm just the one that feels like that's a good place to cease with the "ya, buts"... I was raised on old fashioned, conservative values, though... Not sure WTF passes for values these days...I guess whatever your partisan tribe tells you... :shrug:
 
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