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Trump 'didn't expect' to get laughed at while speaking at the UN

Still no evidence? Just personal attacks? How typical of you. Prove me wrong. I'm basically begging you to and you can't do it. Sad.

The evidence is in the results, 50 Sovereign states with their own budgets. I have proved you wrong so many times showing what a very selective memory you have. Provide me data to support your claims, you can't
 
And similarly it's a shame that too many don't grasp that words have consequences, and what Trump does..and says, as president of the most powerful nation in the world, impacts everyone, in many cases directly. I'm not sure how you don't see that...perhaps you just don't want to.

It is about time that the world woke up and realize that his words are leading to his actions and actions that put America first. It is the actions that matter not your perception so tell me what actions has Trump taken that truly bothers you and warrants the attention any UN laughter caused leading to over 640 posts?
 
It is about time that the world woke up and realize that his words are leading to his actions and actions that put America first. It is the actions that matter not your perception so tell me what actions has Trump taken that truly bothers you and warrants the attention any UN laughter caused leading to over 640 posts?

Nah. If that's not obvious to you, you won't agree with me anyway. Besides...you seem only to want to talk about the results that paint him a good light. I think the unprecedented "result" of having the UN laughing at a sitting president's speech should raise some flags for you. Most people can look at the results you cite and understand that they are simply following a trajectory that was set before he ever took office. In the meantime he's turning America into a laughing stock.

And to avoid a day long of bitter fighting, let me acknowledge that if "screw the world, America first" is what you were after, than I can see why you're happy. That's your right, I fully acknowledge and respect that.

But I would suggest that the fact that a thread about the UN laughing at a sitting president getting the number of posts it has should indicate to you that a good number of your fellow citizens, who's vote counts exactly as much as yours, feel differently. And, as someone who has enjoyed being in a country that has had an EXCEPTIONALLY good relationship with yours for decades, while "typical" presidents have been in power, where "typical" simply indicates "doesn't choose to be an asshole to deal with every situation", but now faces the risk of real hardship because of this prick, I get to have an opinion too - unless DP changes their rules to exclude international participants.

What you have to understand is that there an endless number of "results" that can be attributed to Trump, and you don't get to decide for everyone else which results are important and which shouldn't be talked about. Pretty much everyone would agree that getting $100 is a nice result on it's own...but I'd be willing to bet not everyone would still feel that result was as good if you told them they had to turn tricks in a leper colony to get it. :shrug:
 
OlNate;1069098466]Nah. If that's not obvious to you, you won't agree with me anyway. Besides...you seem only to want to talk about the results that paint him a good light. I think the unprecedented "result" of having the UN laughing at a sitting president's speech should raise some flags for you. Most people can look at the results you cite and understand that they are simply following a trajectory that was set before he ever took office. In the meantime he's turning America into a laughing stock.

Look, understand your love for your country but this issue is irrelevant to you and me because actual results matter not rhetoric. That so called trajectory makes for pretty charts but until you explain the data in those charts your comments are nothing but biased and partisan. I am still waiting for discussion on the content which never happens with you or any other others here who post 24/7 negatives. Content and CONTEXT matter

And to avoid a day long of bitter fighting, let me acknowledge that if "screw the world, America first" is what you were after, than I can see why you're happy. That's your right, I fully acknowledge and respect that.

No, not screw the world but recognize the world we live in and what countries have been doing for years. There is a reason your country spends so much on social engineering and less on your own defense. think about it

But I would suggest that the fact that a thread about the UN laughing at a sitting president getting the number of posts it has should indicate to you that a good number of your fellow citizens, who's vote counts exactly as much as yours, feel differently. And, as someone who has enjoyed being in a country that has had an EXCEPTIONALLY good relationship with yours for decades, while "typical" presidents have been in power, where "typical" simply indicates "doesn't choose to be an asshole to deal with every situation", but now faces the risk of real hardship because of this prick, I get to have an opinion too - unless DP changes their rules to exclude international participants.

That relationship between Canada and the U.S. will always continue and never destroyed simply by words. Actions always speak louder than words. The world isn't a very pretty place today with dictators and corrupt leaders and we finally have a President saying that which of course you don't want to hear. What exactly was so bad about what Trump said, what was the context which is never discussed here or even the content?

What you have to understand is that there an endless number of "results" that can be attributed to Trump, and you don't get to decide for everyone else which results are important and which shouldn't be talked about. Pretty much everyone would agree that getting $100 is a nice result on it's own...but I'd be willing to bet not everyone would still feel that result was as good if you told them they had to turn tricks in a leper colony to get it. :shrug:

Seems you are mistaken here, I am the one person who isn't deciding on what is best for everyone else, the radical left always thrusts their opinions and beliefs on everyone else. These endless attacks on Trump's character and rhetoric does nothing but divert from Trump's results which of course are no interest to you. This country was built on states' rights and a small central govt. and has been transformed into the nanny state with a massive central govt. Change is never easy but guarantee that should your country need help we would be the first in line to do it as we are everywhere else in the world only to have the rest of the world turn their back, attack a sitting President based upon his rhetoric totally ignoring his results.
 
Nah. If that's not obvious to you, you won't agree with me anyway. Besides...you seem only to want to talk about the results that paint him a good light. I think the unprecedented "result" of having the UN laughing at a sitting president's speech should raise some flags for you. Most people can look at the results you cite and understand that they are simply following a trajectory that was set before he ever took office. In the meantime he's turning America into a laughing stock.

And to avoid a day long of bitter fighting, let me acknowledge that if "screw the world, America first" is what you were after, than I can see why you're happy. That's your right, I fully acknowledge and respect that.

But I would suggest that the fact that a thread about the UN laughing at a sitting president getting the number of posts it has should indicate to you that a good number of your fellow citizens, who's vote counts exactly as much as yours, feel differently. And, as someone who has enjoyed being in a country that has had an EXCEPTIONALLY good relationship with yours for decades, while "typical" presidents have been in power, where "typical" simply indicates "doesn't choose to be an asshole to deal with every situation", but now faces the risk of real hardship because of this prick, I get to have an opinion too - unless DP changes their rules to exclude international participants.

What you have to understand is that there an endless number of "results" that can be attributed to Trump, and you don't get to decide for everyone else which results are important and which shouldn't be talked about. Pretty much everyone would agree that getting $100 is a nice result on it's own...but I'd be willing to bet not everyone would still feel that result was as good if you told them they had to turn tricks in a leper colony to get it. :shrug:

I do luv to see a Trump supporter get their ass handed to them.

Thanks !
 
On the world stage, LITERALLY the laughing stock is the US. Crotch-grabbing POTUS nominates crotch-grabbing judge.
 
Dependent was the wrong word with regard to trade but obviously you knew that and simply wants to make points. You think the U.S. needs the world especially dictators? Going to be a different place for countries that now have to provide more for your own defense. The point remains we have a huge trade gap, WHY? You claiming countries don't manipulate their currency and provide financial support to businesses within the country?

Except the world is mostly not dictators.

Why can you not simply admit you are wrong when you stated the world depended on US exports? You overstate the importance on an economical front of the US in the world, it is very important but if the US starts acting like a bully the world will find a way to do it without the US.

And I do not want that to happen. I like the US and no politician should be allowed to destroy decades of free trade and partnerships because he is a bully with an attitude problem.

And the US has a big trade gap BECAUSE of the US's addiction to stuff they can no longer produce. The might of the US economy is largely based on it's huge consumption. You cannot be blaming that on other countries. That is insane. The US has a system where it consumes massively and does not export a lot to other countries because the production capacity of the US is largely purely for internal consumption. And that is not sufficient to quench the need to consume in the United States so more and more needs to be imported.

Can you blame the Chinese for filling that gap? If not them other countries would fill that gap because the US keeps consuming at a bigger level than it can produce stuff. And is the Chinese government always fair with their currency tricks, nope, it is not. But does that make the trade gap much smaller? I seriously doubt it because the most of the US's export are high end electronics and services for which the Chinese do not have the buying power no matter what the currency is.

The things the US exports most are food beverage and feed, crude oil fuel and other petroleum products, civilian aircraft and aircraft engines, auto parts+engines and tires, industrial machines, passenger cars and pharmaceuticals.

How many of these things do you think China needs from the US? Cars? Chinese people mostly cannot afford US cars. Pharmaceuticals? Maybe, but I think the Chinese health care market is mostly self supplied or imported from cheaper countries. Industrial machines? Maybe but can the Chinese afford them?

The US produces high end stuff, things the Chinese could not afford even if their currency was always fair. And with the trade way by Trump now a lot of the things the US could export there, soy beans, meat, etc. etc. etc. is being hit by tariffs by the Chinese.

It does not matter with who you trade, the US will always have a higher need for things than they can produce or set off by exports.

Just face it, if you are the biggest consumers in the world (as a country), there is no way on earth you can have a positive trade balance with the rest of the world. Just maybe with individual countries at best but not as a whole.
 
Except the world is mostly not dictators.

Why can you not simply admit you are wrong when you stated the world depended on US exports? You overstate the importance on an economical front of the US in the world, it is very important but if the US starts acting like a bully the world will find a way to do it without the US.

And I do not want that to happen. I like the US and no politician should be allowed to destroy decades of free trade and partnerships because he is a bully with an attitude problem.

And the US has a big trade gap BECAUSE of the US's addiction to stuff they can no longer produce. The might of the US economy is largely based on it's huge consumption. You cannot be blaming that on other countries. That is insane. The US has a system where it consumes massively and does not export a lot to other countries because the production capacity of the US is largely purely for internal consumption. And that is not sufficient to quench the need to consume in the United States so more and more needs to be imported.

Can you blame the Chinese for filling that gap? If not them other countries would fill that gap because the US keeps consuming at a bigger level than it can produce stuff. And is the Chinese government always fair with their currency tricks, nope, it is not. But does that make the trade gap much smaller? I seriously doubt it because the most of the US's export are high end electronics and services for which the Chinese do not have the buying power no matter what the currency is.

The things the US exports most are food beverage and feed, crude oil fuel and other petroleum products, civilian aircraft and aircraft engines, auto parts+engines and tires, industrial machines, passenger cars and pharmaceuticals.

How many of these things do you think China needs from the US? Cars? Chinese people mostly cannot afford US cars. Pharmaceuticals? Maybe, but I think the Chinese health care market is mostly self supplied or imported from cheaper countries. Industrial machines? Maybe but can the Chinese afford them?

The US produces high end stuff, things the Chinese could not afford even if their currency was always fair. And with the trade way by Trump now a lot of the things the US could export there, soy beans, meat, etc. etc. etc. is being hit by tariffs by the Chinese.

It does not matter with who you trade, the US will always have a higher need for things than they can produce or set off by exports.

Just face it, if you are the biggest consumers in the world (as a country), there is no way on earth you can have a positive trade balance with the rest of the world. Just maybe with individual countries at best but not as a whole.

Aw, yes, the "Ugly American" Syndrome. I understand your love and respect for your own country and the reality that Trump is changing the U.S. attitude regarding the world. IMO that is long overdue. My Father in Law fought in WW2 saving your country as he March across France after landing at Normandy. Americans have freed millions and millions of people only asking for the land necessary to bury our dead and the respect we get is massive trade deficits. protests about rhetoric, paying the lions share of NATO and the UN, and total ignorance as to the charitable giving the taxpayers of this country has given to Europe and disasters around the world. Pardon me then for NOT GIVING A **** any more
 
The evidence is in the results, 50 Sovereign states with their own budgets. I have proved you wrong so many times showing what a very selective memory you have. Provide me data to support your claims, you can't

No, you asserted that we lost respect internationally because of Benghazi. You have yet to produce even an op-ed to back it up.

You're the one who went on this tangent.
 
Aw, yes, the "Ugly American" Syndrome. I understand your love and respect for your own country and the reality that Trump is changing the U.S. attitude regarding the world. IMO that is long overdue. My Father in Law fought in WW2 saving your country as he March across France after landing at Normandy. Americans have freed millions and millions of people only asking for the land necessary to bury our dead and the respect we get is massive trade deficits. protests about rhetoric, paying the lions share of NATO and the UN, and total ignorance as to the charitable giving the taxpayers of this country has given to Europe and disasters around the world. Pardon me then for NOT GIVING A **** any more

What BS is that? Ugly American? I was talking about 1 American (the president and his enablers).

And I would say it is Trump who is beginning to change the attitude of the world to the USA and that is not a good thing.

And my brother in law served in Afghanistan and Iraq, so what? And while we owe a debt of gratitude to the Americans of WW2 (and all other allied forces and their countries), my country was not saved by US troops but by Canadians if we want to split hairs.

The Allied forces freed millions and millions people and yes, we honor the fallen Americans at Margraten. People from the region have adopted US graves to tend to them with flowers and visits and some have connected with the families of those soldiers.

They are our heroes, the Americans of now are our friends and allies, pure and simple, nothing more and nothing less.

And pardon me for not giving a **** for your disdain for others just because they are not American our your untruths. Because the lions share of NATO costs? You mean 22.144% of NATO's cost? That is not the lions share, the US is the biggest member of NATO, Germany who is about 1/4th of the US pays 14.65%, France pays 10.63%, the UK pays 9.84%. Last time I checked 22% was not the lions share of the costs.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/us-pays-2214-nato-budget-germany-1465-13-allies-pay-below-1

And what the HELL does WW2 have to do with trade deficits? You clearly don't understand anything about trade because clearly my post about that trade deficit goes over your head or you just willfully ignore reality.

If you want a lower trade deficit, start consuming less and start exporting more.

I may love the US but hate this kind of fact free nonsense and then blaming the non existing conditions/situations on the rest of the world.
 
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No, you asserted that we lost respect internationally because of Benghazi. You have yet to produce even an op-ed to back it up.

You're the one who went on this tangent.

No, we lost an Ambassador at Benghazi. Where did I say we lost respect because of Benghazi? Dictators around the world never respected Obama, they appeased him knowing he would do nothing about any actions taken which he never did. Not sure what your problem is but seems to be just distorting what I say and ignoring the results generated
 
What BS is that? Ugly American? I was talking about 1 American (the president and his enablers).

And I would say it is Trump who is beginning to change the attitude of the world to the USA and that is not a good thing.

And my brother in law served in Afghanistan and Iraq, so what? And while we owe a debt of gratitude to the Americans of WW2 (and all other allied forces and their countries), my country was not saved by US troops but by Canadians if we want to split hairs.

The Allied forces freed millions and millions people and yes, we honor the fallen Americans at Margraten. People from the region have adopted US graves to tend to them with flowers and visits and some have connected with the families of those soldiers.

They are our heroes, the Americans of now are our friends and allies, pure and simple, nothing more and nothing less.

And pardon me for not giving a **** for your disdain for others just because they are not American our your untruths. Because the lions share of NATO costs? You mean 22.144% of NATO's cost? That is not the lions share, the US is the biggest member of NATO, Germany who is about 1/4th of the US pays 14.65%, France pays 10.63%, the UK pays 9.84%. Last time I checked 22% was not the lions share of the costs.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/us-pays-2214-nato-budget-germany-1465-13-allies-pay-below-1

And what the HELL does WW2 have to do with trade deficits? You clearly don't understand anything about trade because clearly my post about that trade deficit goes over your head or you just willfully ignore reality.

If you want a lower trade deficit, stop consuming less and start exporting more.

I may love the US but hate this kind of fact free nonsense and then blaming the non existing conditions/situations on the rest of the world.

That is what you do, talk, talk, and talk as rhetoric is something that truly bothers you. What is great about this country is the freedom we have to consume and the economic and military power we have. Whenever there is a disaster in the world who is the first to respond with time, money and people?

Look, I am done with this bull**** and the anti American sentiment and attacks on this President none of which personally affect you, me, or anyone else. Actions always speak louder than words. Obviously those non existing issues gave us Trump and he is delivering on every promise made, that really must piss you off. So be it
 
That is what you do, talk, talk, and talk as rhetoric is something that truly bothers you. What is great about this country is the freedom we have to consume and the economic and military power we have. Whenever there is a disaster in the world who is the first to respond with time, money and people?

Look, I am done with this bull**** and the anti American sentiment and attacks on this President none of which personally affect you, me, or anyone else. Actions always speak louder than words. Obviously those non existing issues gave us Trump and he is delivering on every promise made, that really must piss you off. So be it

Yes, that is what I do, I talk about the facts, not about untrue rhetoric, that seems to be your schtick.

Great, and nobody is denying you the freedom to consume and consume and consume, but then stop whining about having a trade deficit. It is just as simple as you having a debt when you spend more than you earn, you have a deficit. The same goes with trade, if you consume more than you produce/export, you will have a trade deficit.

This has nothing to do with anti-American sentiment, that is your fantasy. And as the US is a free country, this is a free forum and this is a free internet, I will say as many things about Trump as I want.

And no, it did not give the US Trump. He lost the election by several million votes, the only way he won is by having a few more votes in a few more states, overall he lost.

And he's delivering on promises LOL LOL LOL sure, if you believe that fantasy, then good luck to you.
 
Yes, that is what I do, I talk about the facts, not about untrue rhetoric, that seems to be your schtick.

Great, and nobody is denying you the freedom to consume and consume and consume, but then stop whining about having a trade deficit. It is just as simple as you having a debt when you spend more than you earn, you have a deficit. The same goes with trade, if you consume more than you produce/export, you will have a trade deficit.

This has nothing to do with anti-American sentiment, that is your fantasy. And as the US is a free country, this is a free forum and this is a free internet, I will say as many things about Trump as I want.

And no, it did not give the US Trump. He lost the election by several million votes, the only way he won is by having a few more votes in a few more states, overall he lost.

And he's delivering on promises LOL LOL LOL sure, if you believe that fantasy, then good luck to you.

As you continue to show actual results are a foreign concept to you as is your ignorance on the promises Trump has made none of which have to do with rhetoric. Trump lost California by 4 million votes and the election by 2 so if California is the standard you want to use then the results in California should be discussed as well as it leads the nation in poverty, homelessness, lowest quality of life, and has the greatest wage gap between rich and poor.

You have no idea what promises Trump made or the actual results generated
 
As you continue to show actual results are a foreign concept to you as is your ignorance on the promises Trump has made none of which have to do with rhetoric. Trump lost California by 4 million votes and the election by 2 so if California is the standard you want to use then the results in California should be discussed as well as it leads the nation in poverty, homelessness, lowest quality of life, and has the greatest wage gap between rich and poor.

You have no idea what promises Trump made or the actual results generated

I have no idea what promises Trump made :lamo
 
No, we lost an Ambassador at Benghazi. Where did I say we lost respect because of Benghazi? Dictators around the world never respected Obama, they appeased him knowing he would do nothing about any actions taken which he never did. Not sure what your problem is but seems to be just distorting what I say and ignoring the results generated

You said:
You obviously didn't care about what people thought of us when we had an Ambassador killed in Libya or as the world generated the largest trade gap in U.S. history. your costs are about to go up and rightly so, no wonder you are outraged, quite frankly it is about time for you to take on your own responsibilities.

So your assertion is that liberals didn't care what our allies thought. I asked for a citation to back your idea that our prestige took a hit. Still waiting.
 
Look, understand your love for your country but this issue is irrelevant to you and me because actual results matter not rhetoric. That so called trajectory makes for pretty charts but until you explain the data in those charts your comments are nothing but biased and partisan. I am still waiting for discussion on the content which never happens with you or any other others here who post 24/7 negatives. Content and CONTEXT matter



No, not screw the world but recognize the world we live in and what countries have been doing for years. There is a reason your country spends so much on social engineering and less on your own defense. think about it



That relationship between Canada and the U.S. will always continue and never destroyed simply by words. Actions always speak louder than words. The world isn't a very pretty place today with dictators and corrupt leaders and we finally have a President saying that which of course you don't want to hear. What exactly was so bad about what Trump said, what was the context which is never discussed here or even the content?



Seems you are mistaken here, I am the one person who isn't deciding on what is best for everyone else, the radical left always thrusts their opinions and beliefs on everyone else. These endless attacks on Trump's character and rhetoric does nothing but divert from Trump's results which of course are no interest to you. This country was built on states' rights and a small central govt. and has been transformed into the nanny state with a massive central govt. Change is never easy but guarantee that should your country need help we would be the first in line to do it as we are everywhere else in the world only to have the rest of the world turn their back, attack a sitting President based upon his rhetoric totally ignoring his results.

hehe...I'm going to basically let you take the last word on this, since I don't really have anything to add to what I have already said, and I think we are both pretty firm in our convictions - we're not going to change each others minds, I don't think.

But...one thing that always rustles my jimmies is how you think you "defend" Canada. Against who? Who is sitting in some think tank (other than maybe you guys...hehe...jk...maybe...), trying to figure out how to invade Canada?? Unlike you, we don't make a habit of driving our tanks and battleships all over the world. The only time we do is when we are obliged to because of our alliance with you, or when the UN asks us to. We don't manufacture enemies so we can manufacture bombs and guns. And we live in a country that would be an absolute nightmare to "conquer", given that it's under snow half the year.

The only threat we could face is Russia...but why would Russia want us? You're right next door, and they have a history of trying their hardest to keep space between you guys and them. Plus, they'd either have to go over the north pole, or through, you guessed it, YOU GUYS, before getting us.

The only country in the world that is in a position to assault our borders is you. So...rather than getting vexed about us not paying whoever enough, just promise not to attack us, and we'll consider ourselves "defended"... :shrug: But based on the number of times we've had to call for defense, I would hardly say that you "defend" us.

lol...I tell ya, there's nothing more American than an American. "Defend us".... :lamo
 
Of course you don't but you rush to judgment based upon your perception of his rhetoric. the radical left today is disgusting

As they would say of the current republican party.
 
As they would say of the current republican party.

your opinion noted as is your ignorance of history. The radical left started by destroying GHW Bush, then GW Bush, then John McCain, and then maybe the more moral candidate in history Mitt Romney so don't give me any of this crap. Today's Democratic Party will destroy anyone that gets in the way of their radical agenda. Waiting for you to tell us exactly what it is about the Republican Party that is disgusting, rhetoric or results?
 
What BS is that? Ugly American? I was talking about 1 American (the president and his enablers).

And I would say it is Trump who is beginning to change the attitude of the world to the USA and that is not a good thing.

And my brother in law served in Afghanistan and Iraq, so what? And while we owe a debt of gratitude to the Americans of WW2 (and all other allied forces and their countries), my country was not saved by US troops but by Canadians if we want to split hairs.

The Allied forces freed millions and millions people and yes, we honor the fallen Americans at Margraten. People from the region have adopted US graves to tend to them with flowers and visits and some have connected with the families of those soldiers.

They are our heroes, the Americans of now are our friends and allies, pure and simple, nothing more and nothing less.

And pardon me for not giving a **** for your disdain for others just because they are not American our your untruths. Because the lions share of NATO costs? You mean 22.144% of NATO's cost? That is not the lions share, the US is the biggest member of NATO, Germany who is about 1/4th of the US pays 14.65%, France pays 10.63%, the UK pays 9.84%. Last time I checked 22% was not the lions share of the costs.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/us-pays-2214-nato-budget-germany-1465-13-allies-pay-below-1

And what the HELL does WW2 have to do with trade deficits? You clearly don't understand anything about trade because clearly my post about that trade deficit goes over your head or you just willfully ignore reality.

If you want a lower trade deficit, start consuming less and start exporting more.

I may love the US but hate this kind of fact free nonsense and then blaming the non existing conditions/situations on the rest of the world.

What you should remember is that "Conservative" appears to have next to no accurate factual knowledge and appear to "think in slogans".

If you were to provide him with actual video evidence of Mr. Trump specifically negotiating with the Russians to have him win the 2016 election he simply wouldn't believe you because that actual video evidence didn't come directly from FOX News, Breitbart, or InfoWars after having been produced solely through their own sources.

[NOTE - I am NOT saying that that sort of actual video evidence exists - because it doesn't. The Russians are too smart to ever let Mr. Trump within spitting distance of anything important. Personally I hold the opinion that the Russians did NOT interfere in the 2016 elections with the purpose of enabling Mr. Trump to win (because they wanted Mr. Trump, personally, to win) but rather because they did NOT want Ms. Clinton to win (and they would have been "assisting" ANYONE - other than Ms. Clinton - who stood a reasonable chance of winning, which, for all practical purposes meant that they had to "assist" Mr. Trump).]
 
Ya...you and I and the entire world saw what these liberally minded polls are worth.

Did you know that the actual voting results were within the margins of error of the results that almost all of the polls were reporting?

Do you know what "margin of error" actually means?

Did you know that almost all of the widely publicized polls were reporting on a "national poll" basis? (Because those are easy to do and the public thinks that it understands them.)

Did you know that a "national poll" is almost useless in predicting the actual result in individual polling districts?

Did you know that the Presidency of the United States of America is NOT decided on a "national poll" basis?

Those people who claimed to predict the outcome of the Electoral College selection process by using "national poll" results should be investigated for their potential use of hallucinogenic substances in public.

Did you know that NONE of the "national" POLLS reported anything other than the percentage of voters nationwide that favoured particular candidates?

Did you know that it was the people who ANALYZED the results of the "national" polls who told you that those polls said something that they didn't actually say?

People who think that a poll conducted today is going to tell you what is going to happen in three weeks are generally known as "unsophisticated" (or "average voters" if you prefer).

People who don't know what a trend line (First Order Regression) is and/or how to interpret one are generally known as "likely to be wrong" (or "average voters" if you prefer).

People who don't know what a rate of change of a trend line (Second Order Regression) is and/or how to interpret one are generally known as "likely to be wrong" (or "average voters" if you prefer).

People who don't know what a rate of change of the rate of change of a trend line (Third Order Regression) is and/or how to interpret one are generally known as "likely to be wrong" (or "average voters" if you prefer).

The "problem with polls" isn't "the date", it's the fact that to actually understand what the polls mean you have to do some thinking for yourself - and (overstating the case slightly) the "average voter" doesn't like to strain their brain much past the effort of telling the difference between a big "R" or a big "D" following the name of the candidates.
 
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