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Collins: Second Kavanaugh accuser should speak with Senate panel under oath

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ser-should-speak-with-senate-panel-under-oath

GOP Sen. Susan Collins (Maine), a critical swing vote in the Supreme Court fight, said on Monday that she believed a woman accusing Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct should speak with Senate staff under oath.

“I believe that the committee investigators should reach out to Deborah Ramirez to question her under oath about what she is alleging happened,” Collins told reporters, when asked what she made of the latest allegation against Kavanaugh.
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If Grassley turns this down I think Collins will vote no on confirmation.
If so it takes one more, Flake or Murkowski
Flake cold also refuse to vote in Committee, then IIRC it moves to the floor without a recommendation
That happens, Judge K will withdraw as his nomination is sunk
 
I imagine the Committee will be very interested indeed in how Ramirez refreshed her memories.
 
JANFU said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ser-should-speak-with-senate-panel-under-oath


If Grassley turns this down I think Collins will vote no on confirmation.
If so it takes one more, Flake or Murkowski
Flake cold also refuse to vote in Committee, then IIRC it moves to the floor without a recommendation
That happens, Judge K will withdraw as his nomination is sunk
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I get the feeling Judge K got a pride issue going on, and won't withdraw. I believe Collins is setting things up so she can say "No'" gracefully, since there is pressure at home for her to say No.
 
RAMOSS said:
I get the feeling Judge K got a pride issue going on, and won't withdraw. I believe Collins is setting things up so she can say "No'" gracefully, since there is pressure at home for her to say No.
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Could be. Smart play, places the onus on Grassley. And yes Collins is under immense pressure
 
nota bene said:
I imagine the Committee will be very interested indeed in how Ramirez refreshed her memories.
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Good, have 11 men question her. You OK with that?
 
JANFU said:
Good, have 11 men question her. You OK with that?
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Uh-oh, a little trap. No, I want her to go to a spa for a week and pamper herself and to participate in daily yoga, after which I hope she is sensitively and delicately, over tea and scones, gently questioned by only the most exquisitely gentle of Democrat-chosen female attorneys. :roll:
 
nota bene said:
Uh-oh, a little trap. No, I want her to go to a spa for a week and pamper herself and to participate in daily yoga, after which I hope she is sensitively and delicately, over tea and scones, gently questioned by only the most exquisitely gentle of Democrat-chosen female attorneys. :roll:
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No trap- Collins stated she should testify - Grassley is under the gun- and that would not be under the agreement that Ford agreed to.
Do you support the FBI investigating these allegations?
 
JANFU said:
No trap- Collins stated she should testify - Grassley is under the gun- and that would not be under the agreement that Ford agreed to.
Do you support the FBI investigating these allegations?
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The Democrat staff already investigated and they came up with a woman whose story even the NYT couldn't bring themselves to justify.
Why should the FBI be further in the service of the Democratics when the NYT had to draw the line.
 
JANFU said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ser-should-speak-with-senate-panel-under-oath


If Grassley turns this down I think Collins will vote no on confirmation.
If so it takes one more, Flake or Murkowski
Flake cold also refuse to vote in Committee, then IIRC it moves to the floor without a recommendation
That happens, Judge K will withdraw as his nomination is sunk
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If I were Grassley, I'd suggest to Collins that this second accuser should get someone to support her story first. Then we can have her talk. We've already wasted enough time on this nonsense.
 
JANFU said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ser-should-speak-with-senate-panel-under-oath


If Grassley turns this down I think Collins will vote no on confirmation.
If so it takes one more, Flake or Murkowski
Flake cold also refuse to vote in Committee, then IIRC it moves to the floor without a recommendation
That happens, Judge K will withdraw as his nomination is sunk
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:lamo
Now that's some wishful thinking. I like how the Democrats keep thinking that they'll be rewarded for their moral depravity

So just to be clear, 3 of the people Ford named as witnesses to Kavanugh's attempted and alledged assault have all claimed they have no knowledge of this party, the assault and the last witness claims she never met Kavanugh at a party with or without Ford and of course Kavanugh is willing to testify under oath that he's innocent

And this latest women can't really remember if it was Kavanugh or not, and people she hung around with including her best friend at the time claims it never happened.

So yea, Kavanugh's toast...:roll:
 
JANFU said:
No trap- Collins stated she should testify - Grassley is under the gun- and that would not be under the agreement that Ford agreed to.
Do you support the FBI investigating these allegations?
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I support voting on the nomination and ending this circus. Why aren't you satisfied with the SIX previous FBI background checks? What will the FBI discover that is new, given that even the basic information such as where and when remain unavailable?

Are you calling all those who Ford named as present and who have denied that the incident ever happened liars? Leland Keyser is lying?
 
Moon said:
And who paid for the "refreshers".
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I guess that is information that would be revealed if yet another FBI investigation were conducted. I understand that various e-mails among various friends were very helpful in memory-refreshing. Seeing all those e-mails would be very, very interesting, wouldn't it?
 
Fenton said:
:lamo
Now that's some wishful thinking. I like how the Democrats keep thinking that they'll be rewarded for their moral depravity

So just to be clear, 3 of the people Ford named as witnesses to Kavanugh's attempted and alledged assault have all claimed they have no knowledge of this party, the assault and the last witness claims she never met Kavanugh at a party with or without Ford and of course Kavanugh is willing to testify under oath that he's innocent

And this latest women can't really remember if it was Kavanugh or not, and people she hung around with including her best friend at the time claims it never happened.

So yea, Kavanugh's toast...:roll:
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If Collins comes out against the Nomination, he is toast
 
Someone may have already addressed this, there are numerous threads on this subject.

Are these women being held responsible for their claims? At what point can their claims be considered frivolous and slanderous?


I support women who have been through sexual harassment and assault, and once again, the group that wants everybody to take the matter seriously, are supporting people who have just devalued the phrase and the true victims.
 
GottaGo said:
Someone may have already addressed this, there are numerous threads on this subject.

Are these women being held responsible for their claims? At what point can their claims be considered frivolous and slanderous?

I support women who have been through sexual harassment and assault, and once again, the group that wants everybody to take the matter seriously, are supporting people who have just devalued the phrase and the true victims.
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That's right. Here is an article on how what's going on is going to diminish the #MeToo movement: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/kavanaugh-nomination-circus-could-destroy-me-too-movement/
 
GottaGo said:
Someone may have already addressed this, there are numerous threads on this subject.

Are these women being held responsible for their claims? At what point can their claims be considered frivolous and slanderous?


I support women who have been through sexual harassment and assault, and once again, the group that wants everybody to take the matter seriously, are supporting people who have just devalued the phrase and the true victims.
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As of now, none of their statements are covered under any criminal penalty, but they certainly could be sued for libel.
 
JANFU said:
Good, have 11 men question her. You OK with that?
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absent 1 court judge, who would likely be male, why not? the more the merrier. The more likely it becomes to get to the truth of the matter.
 
apdst said:
Would you be ok with 11 women questioning a man?
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I would, because how weak do you have to be to care what's between professional examiner's legs?
 
JANFU said:
If Collins comes out against the Nomination, he is toast
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Both of these womens allegations have been debunked, so if Collins votes no, her political future will be toast.
 
Fenton said:
Both of these womens allegations have been debunked, so if Collins votes no, her political future will be toast.
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Not yet. Why are you terrified of the FBI investigating the allegations?
 
Kreton said:
11 men who are hostile and already believe that she is lying.
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Yes, all but Flake IIRC have come out in support of Judge K. That without any investigation, without any testimony.
If the Nomination fails, expect a Trump base / Evangelicals backlash as a good number will not show up to vote
 
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