Vatican and China make breakthrough deal on bishop appointments

From CBS News



VATICAN CITY — The Vatican and China said Saturday they had signed a "provisional agreement" over the appointment of bishops, a breakthrough on an issue that stymied diplomatic relations for decades and aggravated a split among Chinese Catholics. The deal resolved one of the major sticking points in recent years, with the Vatican agreeing to accept seven bishops who were previously named by Beijing without the pope's consent.

The development comes nearly seven decades after the Holy See and Beijing severed official relations. Beijing's long-held insistence that it must approve bishop appointments in China had clashed with absolute papal authority to pick bishops.

With the status of the seven bishops now reconciled, the Vatican said all bishops in China are now in communion with Rome -- even though the Catholic community in China is still split between Catholics who belong to the official Chinese church and those in the underground church who remained loyal to the pope.

"Pope Francis hopes that, with these decisions, a new process may begin that will allow the wounds of the past to be overcome, leading to the full communion of all Chinese Catholics," a Vatican statement said.

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TU Curmudgeon said:

From CBS News

Vatican and China make breakthrough deal on bishop appointments
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VATICAN CITY — The Vatican and China said Saturday they had signed a "provisional agreement" over the appointment of bishops, a breakthrough on an issue that stymied diplomatic relations for decades and aggravated a split among Chinese Catholics. The deal resolved one of the major sticking points in recent years, with the Vatican agreeing to accept seven bishops who were previously named by Beijing without the pope's consent.

The development comes nearly seven decades after the Holy See and Beijing severed official relations. Beijing's long-held insistence that it must approve bishop appointments in China had clashed with absolute papal authority to pick bishops.

With the status of the seven bishops now reconciled, the Vatican said all bishops in China are now in communion with Rome -- even though the Catholic community in China is still split between Catholics who belong to the official Chinese church and those in the underground church who remained loyal to the pope.

"Pope Francis hopes that, with these decisions, a new process may begin that will allow the wounds of the past to be overcome, leading to the full communion of all Chinese Catholics," a Vatican statement said.

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One does wonder how The Vatican could possibly conclude any agreement whatsoever with the Chinese government while the Chinese government is "murdering Christians" and "burning bibles".

There is, of course, absolutely no possibility that the reports that the Chinese government is "murdering Christians" and "burning bibles" could have been in the least slightest tiny bit exaggerated in order to boost the donations for "missionary work" - right?​

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No, you are wrong again.

AliHajiSheik said:

No, you are wrong again.

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Ahh- so there is a possibility that the reports that the Chinese government is "murdering Christians" and "burning bibles" could have been in the least slightest tiny bit exaggerated in order to boost the donations for "missionary work".

The Pope recognized Xi Jinpingpong as emperor for life so why fight the guy who has all the muscle in the CCP....


The Public Security Police Crash a Church in Wenzhai City to Remove the Cross.



The Public Security Bureau Police are unarmed and equipped instead with clubs and shields, which tells everyone of the (dirty) work they do throughout the CCP. The clubs vary in size. We see the "job" here calls for short clubs. Many uniformed Public Security Police are teenagers up to age mid-20s who need a job. The older PSB Police are mostly plainclothes and do things such as watch your comings and goings when you are under suspicion to include search your house and haul you away. During the last minute of the video we see a seasoned sergeant warning a churchgoer. When Xi Jinpingpong assumed full power in 2013 he set the PSB on Christian churches nationally to remove their cross. Crosses atop a dome had to be removed and reset on a wall. Two masters are too many in China.







People's Armed Police Paramilitary March To Stop a Protest Demonstration in Guiyang City, Guizhou Province




Fourteen platoons of the People's Armed Police Garrison in the city march and chant en route to break up a demonstration of protest by merchants and residents. The municipal government was demolishing several city blocks for a development project (which is all well and good). However and as is the standard swindle, the Party-Government paid the owners a fraction of the compensation due and told 'em to move on and go away.

Boyz in Beijing have the People's Armed Police, the 850,000 paramilitary domestic security force. PAP are organized in 48 divisions as part of the PLA and are garrisoned in every province and in cities of Tier 1-3 status. PAP are the Party's most trusted police. The population of China fears this force.







Those Pesky Students of GuangDong Province Protest Again

And Police Clobber Them Again, This Time Cornering The Unarmed Boys And Girls Against A Wall And Whacking 'em With Riot Sticks....






No one should ever doubt the cruelty of the Chinese elites over millennia.

Tangmo said:

The Pope recognized Xi Jinpingpong as emperor for life so why fight the guy who has all the muscle in the CCP....


The Public Security Police Crash a Church in Wenzhai City to Remove the Cross.



The Public Security Bureau Police are unarmed and equipped instead with clubs and shields, which tells everyone of the (dirty) work they do throughout the CCP. The clubs vary in size. We see the "job" here calls for short clubs. Many uniformed Public Security Police are teenagers up to age mid-20s who need a job. The older PSB Police are mostly plainclothes and do things such as watch your comings and goings when you are under suspicion to include search your house and haul you away. During the last minute of the video we see a seasoned sergeant warning a churchgoer. When Xi Jinpingpong assumed full power in 2013 he set the PSB on Christian churches nationally to remove their cross. Crosses atop a dome had to be removed and reset on a wall. Two masters are too many in China.







People's Armed Police Paramilitary March To Stop a Protest Demonstration in Guiyang City, Guizhou Province




Fourteen platoons of the People's Armed Police Garrison in the city march and chant en route to break up a demonstration of protest by merchants and residents. The municipal government was demolishing several city blocks for a development project (which is all well and good). However and as is the standard swindle, the Party-Government paid the owners a fraction of the compensation due and told 'em to move on and go away.

Boyz in Beijing have the People's Armed Police, the 850,000 paramilitary domestic security force. PAP are organized in 48 divisions as part of the PLA and are garrisoned in every province and in cities of Tier 1-3 status. PAP are the Party's most trusted police. The population of China fears this force.







Those Pesky Students of GuangDong Province Protest Again

And Police Clobber Them Again, This Time Cornering The Unarmed Boys And Girls Against A Wall And Whacking 'em With Riot Sticks....






No one should ever doubt the cruelty of the Chinese elites over millennia.

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This is minor league stuff. Far worse seems to happen in the USA on an almost daily basis.

JustHanging said:

This is minor league stuff. Far worse seems to happen in the USA on an almost daily basis.

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So one million of the national paramilitary People's Armed Police in the CCP-PRC are minor league as compared to the USA, or so you say. You're rather dismissive and arbitrary when it comes to the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing.

If you're going to give the CCP Boyz a free ride at the expense of the United States then I'd need to reply that perhaps the pope is trying to preclude the impact on his flock of the violent nature of the CCP Dictator-Tyrants residing in Beijing...


Villagers Throw Stones at Police Platoons



Villagers throughout the CCP know the drill. Local Party-Government officials swipe your land and give you a few bucks for it. The local officials then sell the land to developers for $200 million or so. Of course the agent development corporation was set up by the local officials to begin with who double their money then charge outrageous property prices to buyers from the nearby urban centers. The Pigs in Blue all the while protect the swindlers against the righteous wrath of the swindled.

No matter how distant from urban centers you live in CCP there's a police battalion near you. The BIB in the video above have the withdraw maneuver practiced to perfection. The village police idiots in the next video are still learning their lessons however









Police Learn From Angry Workers Not To Interfere in a Wage Dispute at a Village Construction Site:




The fit hits the shan at 1:20 as the protesting workers come out swinging their metal longbars. The winning hit occurs at 1:34 as a young slugger ambushes a retreating cop upside the helmet with a clear shot heard a kilometer away. The cop is today still trying to get his bearings back. The trigger occurred when a worker we see in the video comes running up to inform the workcrew that police had just arrested the workers negotiator.

Urban cops are smarter cause they six at a time pick out women from the crowd and haul 'em off. Urban Boyz in Blue don't mess much with the men









Liang Villiagers in Guangxi province Roll Out the Unwelcome Wagon for Police of the CCP Public Security Bureau



This is the circumstance villagers know with anger throughout CCP. Police are dispatched to quell yet another local population protest against corruption by local and county Party-Government officials. It's land always and every time. The officials swipe the land, pay a pittance, sell it to developers for hundreds of millions of usd and tell the locals to get lost somewhere else. Local Party-Government officials all the while have formed their own corporation to oversee the construction and operation of the developed property, thus pocketing millions in the deal and in rents and fees going forward -- not to mention the taxes they do not pay. The Public Security Bureau Police Pigs enforce this scheme everywhere throughout the CCP.



There are many videos Chinese record with their cellphones and post illegally to the internet using illegal VPN. They show the world what the CCP Fanboyz consider to be "minor league."

Everyday violence in China happens, well, every day between the police and citizens. Some citizens are displaced or about to be displaced, other citizens are dispossessed of their land or about to be dispossessed.

The campaign of the CCP Dictator-Tyrants against Christianity is sustained and intensifying as documented in the video and partial text...

First, however, nonpayment of workers is commonplace throughout the PRC. Here some unpaid construction workers -- who are paid modestly anyway -- organize to break a police encirclement of 'em...



Unpaid Hard Hat Construction Workers Advance Against Police Lines Protecting the Corporation




Not being paid in China is a common burden throughout the country. You can get plenty of police tear gas though.









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Zhejiang Christians Beaten, Priest Detained




A large-scale demolition of churches and crosses in Zhejiang Province has been launched. The action spread from Wenzhou to other areas. More than 300 churches have been demolished.

Priest Huang Yizi in Pingyang County, Wenzhou was detained, accused of “gathering crowds to attack state organs. The Zhejiang Church incident increasingly intensifies. For months, several churches were consistently demolished in Pingyang county. One church's cross was taken down -- in the early morning of July 21, 600 police went to the church to forcibly demolish it. They clashed with Christians. More than ten Christians were injured, five were badly injured being sent to hospital.

Priest Huang Yizi, who sent message online to show support for the Christians, was detained. Christian Wu Quanquan said that families of injured Christians went to the local government, to request an explanation. The government responded that it was priest Huang who encouraged people to be there. Wu Quanquan: “Many were injured, their families members went to protest. Then the government claimed that Huang 'gathered crowds attacking the government'. It was the families members wanted to go, Huang joined them afterwards. But the government said it was Huang who led them.”

Yang Xingquan, Beijing lawyer who was familiar with Huang Yizi said that Huang had been summoned several times before the incident. Yang Xingquan: “I think the local regime still fear such action and expression. They are still timid. Because a church's cross is neither illegal nor harms any of the society. To demolish a church cross is obviously to persecute Christians.”

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCff_R__peHk2MI93NpW1CdQ









Chinese Police, Christians Clash Over Cross Demolition



The twentieth century trend is more Christians than communist party members.

Tangmo said:

The Pope recognized Xi Jinpingpong as emperor for life so why fight the guy who has all the muscle in the CCP....


The Public Security Police Crash a Church in Wenzhai City to Remove the Cross.

... Two masters are too many in China.

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Two masters are too many in every country. What changes is the definition of "master".

Tangmo said:

People's Armed Police Paramilitary March To Stop a Protest Demonstration in Guiyang City, Guizhou Province

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Sort of like Chicago? Or don't you remember?

Tangmo said:

...However and as is the standard swindle, the Party-Government paid the owners a fraction of the compensation due and told 'em to move on and go away.

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The odds on you remembering the President of the United States of America using the US Army on American citizens who were "protesting" because the US government wouldn't honour its promises to veterans are so low, that that incident probably doesn't enter into your thinking.

Tangmo said:

Boyz in Beijing have the People's Armed Police, the 850,000 paramilitary domestic security force. PAP are organized in 48 divisions as part of the PLA and are garrisoned in every province and in cities of Tier 1-3 status. PAP are the Party's most trusted police. The population of China fears this force.

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Somewhat similar to how "blacks" feel about American police forces?

Nah - couldn't be.

Tangmo said:

Those Pesky Students of GuangDong Province Protest Again

And Police Clobber Them Again, This Time Cornering The Unarmed Boys And Girls Against A Wall And Whacking 'em With Riot Sticks....

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Do the words "Kent State" have any meaning to you?

Tangmo said:

No one should ever doubt the cruelty of the Chinese elites over millennia.

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The "Chinese System" has a history of "Collective/Command Social/Economy" that is well over 2,000 years old.

You might not feel comfortable with a "Collective/Command Social/Economy" but, then again, you don't live in one.

As with the United States of America, the Chinese get to live under the type of government (and in the type of society) that they are willing to put up with.

Would I like to live in a "Collective/Command Social/Economy" rather than an "Individualist/Command Social/Economy"? Nope - so I'm mot about to move to China.

JustHanging said:

This is minor league stuff. Far worse seems to happen in the USA on an almost daily basis.

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The operative word there is "seems" and "seems" is one of those nasty subjective words which means that different things are viewed by different people as having different connotations.

To give an (extremely exagerated) example:

• in a society where beating even one protester senseless is seen as unacceptable, the the beating of even a single protester (out of a crowd of 10,000) is seem as being outside the bounds of acceptable behaviour; but
• in a society where beating more than 10% of the protesters senseless is senseless is seen as unacceptable, then the beating of 100 protesters (out of a crowd of 10,000) is NOT seen as being outside the bounds of acceptable behaviour.

Tangmo said:

So one million of the national paramilitary People's Armed Police in the CCP-PRC are minor league as compared to the USA, ...

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There are 1.1 million people on an FTE basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers) in the American police forces.

Sticking strictly with the 765,000 figure, that is the "population adjusted" equivalent to around 3,239,000.

The last time I counted, 3,239,000 was a larger number than 1,000,000.

Tangmo said:

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Thanks for taking the time to make this post. However, the first two videos are meaningless, being in Mandarin I believe, and the third is from HKFP, which I'm not really sure about. I did a little research, and they seem pretty good, but some people are complaining they are biased.

So do you have any other reputable sources regarding this topic? No need to post any more text, I'll go back and read what you wrote when I get the links. Thanks in advance.

TU Curmudgeon said:

The operative word there is "seems" and "seems" is one of those nasty subjective words which means that different things are viewed by different people as having different connotations.

To give an (extremely exagerated) example:

• in a society where beating even one protester senseless is seen as unacceptable, the the beating of even a single protester (out of a crowd of 10,000) is seem as being outside the bounds of acceptable behaviour; but
• in a society where beating more than 10% of the protesters senseless is senseless is seen as unacceptable, then the beating of 100 protesters (out of a crowd of 10,000) is NOT seen as being outside the bounds of acceptable behaviour.

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Yeah, I've just asked Tangmo for more info, specifically from reputable sources (I'm not sure about the ones he provided).

TU Curmudgeon said:

Two masters are too many in every country. What changes is the definition of "master".



Sort of like Chicago? Or don't you remember?



The odds on you remembering the President of the United States of America using the US Army on American citizens who were "protesting" because the US government wouldn't honour its promises to veterans are so low, that that incident probably doesn't enter into your thinking.



Somewhat similar to how "blacks" feel about American police forces?

Nah - couldn't be.



Do the words "Kent State" have any meaning to you?



The "Chinese System" has a history of "Collective/Command Social/Economy" that is well over 2,000 years old.

You might not feel comfortable with a "Collective/Command Social/Economy" but, then again, you don't live in one.

As with the United States of America, the Chinese get to live under the type of government (and in the type of society) that they are willing to put up with.

Would I like to live in a "Collective/Command Social/Economy" rather than an "Individualist/Command Social/Economy"? Nope - so I'm mot about to move to China.

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On your latter point I've been in China since January 2008 for reasons of business, education and culture; trade. So yes I do live in one. Which leaves your bag of presumptions completely inside out. CCP Boyz find myself and thousands of other Americans in the PRC useful and we find it profitable and rewarding. It is more than safe to say I know more about China than you know about the USA. And USA and China together.

I recall the police riot in Chicago in 1968 -- I was in the Army stationed in Washington DC at the time which was having its own riots thx.

The Bonus March of 1932 is well known in veterans history as it contributed in its own way to formal programs of veterans benefits post WW II.

And yes, somewhat similar to how "blacks" feel about "American police forces." Yep, not only could be, it is.

The Kent State murders occurred just before my Army ETS and I remember it well. The authorities up to the governor got off the hook by having declared martial law before the shootings which was an absurd declaration to have made, but not an illegal one.

Mao btw killed 50 million Chinese during his Great Leap Forward. Even the CCP says Mao was "seventy-percent right" in his life and career. That's a C-minus which all the same puts Mao out ahead of your on high posting record of cliched thinking and stereotyping. You and I could also discuss the Tiananmen Square Massacre of June 1989.

China oppresses Christians and the Catholic Church houses child molesters by the thousands. It's a match made in heaven.

At least China has a real rationale: they don't want mass congregation turning into mass protest. Any religious organization that gets big enough there is eventually split into smaller groups by decree, just like a company that's becoming a dangerous monopoly. Their government is so afraid of dissent, much like ours.

TU Curmudgeon said:

There are 1.1 million people on an FTE basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers) in the American police forces.

Sticking strictly with the 765,000 figure, that is the "population adjusted" equivalent to around 3,239,000.

The last time I counted, 3,239,000 was a larger number than 1,000,000.

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CIA reports that CCP Boyz spend more on domestic security -- their own -- than on the armed forces. CCP have in total more like 4 million police of one kind or another. And yes we know of course China has more people thx anyway but I had to steal your thunder on the point. CCP also has a lot of low-tech crime and traditional robbery such as swiping money out of the cash register and running, banditry, holdups at knife point etc.

Police: 1.5 million
Armed Police: 1.6 million
Security Guards: 1 million


The Public Security Service (PSB) is both a local police and the Chinese equivalent of the KGB. There are also paramilitary armed police and more than 1 million security guards in China.

Quasi parapolice---known as "cheng guan"---operate in many places. Often little more than thugs, they are often hired by officials to help them carry out some unpopular actions such as collecting taxes and fines and ousting peasants from seized land. See Police Abuse Below

The chengguan (City Urban Administrative and Law Enforcement Bureau) have a notorious reputation, with many regarding them as little more than thugs. They are feared and despised for their capricious crackdowns and penchant for violence. “Chengguan are the thuggish city management officials who are supposed to keep order on the streets but who often end up abusing citizens, “David Pierson wrote in the Los Angeles Times, “Think of them as thuggish meter maids or health inspectors with batons.

The chengguan have a reputation for brutality, which has made them widely reviled, and they have been involved in several deaths. In 2008, four enforcers beat a man to death after he had used his mobile phone to film a violent confrontation between villagers and officials. In another case, three officers were jailed for stabbing a noodle seller to death in a row over his stall. [Source: Tania Branigan, The Guardian, April 23, 2009]

"To many, the officers embody all that is wrong with authority figures in China: impunity, abuse of power and disproportionate targeting of the poor," Pierson wrote..

DIFFERENT KINDS OF POLICE IN CHINA: CHENGGUAN, JIWEI AND AND PRETTY CITY WARDENS | Facts and Details




Plus there is the CCP security state with cameras everywhere and a security guard at virtually every gate 24/7.

JustHanging said:

Thanks for taking the time to make this post. However, the first two videos are meaningless, being in Mandarin I believe, and the third is from HKFP, which I'm not really sure about. I did a little research, and they seem pretty good, but some people are complaining they are biased.

So do you have any other reputable sources regarding this topic? No need to post any more text, I'll go back and read what you wrote when I get the links. Thanks in advance.

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Hold your horses there thx.

You err to presume your instructions and directions on how to post to suit you personally would be either respected or obeyed. I'll continue to post in my individual style and fashion thx all the same. Which leaves you just hanging. Purely coincidental of course.

JustHanging said:

Yeah, I've just asked Tangmo for more info, specifically from reputable sources (I'm not sure about the ones he provided).

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Kindly see the above plse thx.

Kindly see the video as follows thx and learn something thx much....


Cheng Guan Police Beat On Some Grandmothers Just To Maintain Their Reputation as Thugs.







CCP Boyz are getting screwed in their increasing repression and brutality due to cellphones. The people of the People's Republic video the Pigs, er, Police, in their brutality and illegally upload the videos using illegal VPN. These events never make the Party's CCTV news -- or rarely -- so The People of The People's Republic become their own documentary producers to the world. Hats off to 'em all. It is a steady stream of real news coming out of 21st Century China because the repression, control and brutality are daily and they are opposed by the people daily.




Meet the Cheng Guan the Local Party Police in Each Municipality of the PRC

Middle Class Chinese Speak in the Streets of Their Shiny City

Police Read the Riot Act Then Start a Riot Complete With Tear Gas



This time unarmed boys reply with their feet and fists.




Chinese people uploading their cellphone videos are the most direct and valid reports of 'em all.

Tangmo said:

Hold your horses there thx.

You err to presume your instructions and directions on how to post to suit you personally would be either respected or obeyed. I'll continue to post in my individual style and fashion thx all the same. Which leaves you just hanging. Purely coincidental of course.








Kindly see the above plse thx.

Kindly see the video as follows thx and learn something thx much....


Cheng Guan Police Beat On Some Grandmothers Just To Maintain Their Reputation as Thugs.







CCP Boyz are getting screwed in their increasing repression and brutality due to cellphones. The people of the People's Republic video the Pigs, er, Police, in their brutality and illegally upload the videos using illegal VPN. These events never make the Party's CCTV news -- or rarely -- so The People of The People's Republic become their own documentary producers to the world. Hats off to 'em all. It is a steady stream of real news coming out of 21st Century China because the repression, control and brutality are daily and they are opposed by the people daily.




Meet the Cheng Guan the Local Party Police in Each Municipality of the PRC

Middle Class Chinese Speak in the Streets of Their Shiny City

Police Read the Riot Act Then Start a Riot Complete With Tear Gas



This time unarmed boys reply with their feet and fists.




Chinese people uploading their cellphone videos are the most direct and valid reports of 'em all.

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Um, yeah. But until I see it from a reputable source, and in English, I have no idea if you are making stuff up or not. Why would I possibly trust some random internet person isn't slanting things to make their case? Good luck.

JustHanging said:

Um, yeah. But until I see it from a reputable source, and in English, I have no idea if you are making stuff up or not. Why would I possibly trust some random internet person isn't slanting things to make their case? Good luck.

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It's for sure anyone is free to give the benefit of the doubt to the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing. No one in his right mind would claim to be free of any bias either. Bias in this instance meaning one gives the specific benefit of the doubt to one side over the other. That's where there is doubt of course which there isn't any in this case of the Boyz in Beijing being Dictator-Tyrants.

It's also the case CCP Boyz have a PR industry that would bring tears to Joe Stalin's eyes. Anyone who'd believe all in the CCP Land of spilled milk and thin honey is quiet, calm, stable, smooth and under control would be bamboozled entirely by the absence of public discussion in the PRC which is a single party state. That is, the state and the government are run by a single political party -- always has been so concerning royal families and now Party families. Xi Jinpingpong is what's called a Princeling given his father was a PLA general under Mao Himself. CinC Xi Him-Himself has zero military experience although his wife travels about singing to the troops.

However, Xi's predecessor and ally Hu Jintao comes from the party grassroots under the patronage of Deng Xiaoping, which makes him Tuanpai, i.e., and in a word, Populist. Former president Jiang Zemin who is the 93 year old nemesis of both Xi and Hu is simply an ogre. Characterizing China's leaders with USA leaders is not a good practice however. Terms such as Princeling which are synonymous with elite don't match up well with a FDR or a Bush. Likewise, Populist Hu doesn't match well with Trump given the two are opposites in style, manner, substance. So it's more like Jiang and Trump if we want to view the exception to the rule of not matching up terms and leaders. And it's interesting to say the least to examine the folk who get your benefit of the doubt. Because it certainly isn't I who has it. The guyz who get your benefit of the doubt sit in Beijing.

Tangmo said:

It's for sure anyone is free to give the benefit of the doubt to the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing.

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Woah down there, I never "gave the benefit of the doubt" to anyone. I asked you very politely to provide some reputable sources, in English so I could understand them, to support your claims. I was willing to read and watch whatever you provided to gain a better understanding of the situation. You refused to do that, so I am not convinced.

JustHanging said:

Woah down there, I never "gave the benefit of the doubt" to anyone. I asked you very politely to provide some reputable sources, in English so I could understand them, to support your claims. I was willing to read and watch whatever you provided to gain a better understanding of the situation. You refused to do that, so I am not convinced.

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Now comes an accusation while you give the CCP Boyz in Beijing a free ride. Continue to give the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing a free ride. You say nothing about them while you try to undermine and discredit critics of 'em. Yet the chief critics of the Boyz are the Chinese people with their cellphones uploading the unreported socio-economic discrepancies of the CCP, its political repression and of their police enforcers.

There is no NYT coverage of these protests against the government because the NYT is banned in the PRC by the CCP. Western journalists are not free to move throughout the country's cities and counties looking for stories critical of the CCP Regime. Australian media are not allowed to report freely either. Nor is Indian media or media in Japan. EU countries fare no better.

I can attest internet access via CCP owned and operated ISP companies is controlled strictly and at every moment. The Great Firewall of China exists and it belongs to the Boyz. There are two or three VPN services for pay that can penetrate CCP censorship yet we are talking about individual voices. I'd already stated the best source and the direct source of reports of disorder and chaos in the CCP is the people themselves with their cellphone videos. If you don't get that and if you don't accept it then you'd have your own agenda concerning the CCP Boyz, their wholly owned PRC and the critics of 'em both.

Your posts do indeed make polite requests which reminds me of how the CCP police can be and are sometimes very polite btw. I got a lot of support one time from the Cheng Guan local flatfoot cops when a cabbie tried to swindle me out of a couple of hundred rmb so I told him where he could go and get off. I finally directed the cabbie to the university gate where I was teaching and living. I explained the cabbie's swindle to the Uni private security guards. A couple of guards tried unsuccessfully to talk with the loud cabbie who was being obnoxious so they called the Cheng Guan who showed up in a patrol car. The three sides argued for about 20 minutes. Loudly.

It was resolved by the Cheng Guan on two points. First is that I agreed to pay what I know to be the usual fare, which was 100 rmb -- the cabbie had driven me half way across China despite my hollering at him so he wanted a total of 300 rmb from me, which I adamantly refused to surrender. On the second point, the Cheng Guan asked me to pronounce the name of the place I told the cabbie to take me, which I did do clearly and successfully. So I gave the senior flatfoot Cheng Guan officer 100 rmb who then handed it to the taxi guy who at this point was livid that his brazen swindle had failed. The Chen Guan then reached onto the floor of the back seat of the patrol car and pulled out a contraption that had a long pole and pincers sticking out of it that looked like sickles. It looked like if you opened the blades from the handle you the Chen Guan could snap 'em around a person's neck. And hold him off at a safe distance. Or flick him to the ground. Maybe break his neck. The driver left. I walked on to my apartment feeling like I had fought off a highwayman.

Tangmo said:

CIA reports that CCP Boyz spend more on domestic security -- their own -- than on the armed forces. CCP have in total more like 4 million police of one kind or another. And yes we know of course China has more people thx anyway but I had to steal your thunder on the point. CCP also has a lot of low-tech crime and traditional robbery such as swiping money out of the cash register and running, banditry, holdups at knife point etc.

Police: 1.5 million
Armed Police: 1.6 million
Security Guards: 1 million


The Public Security Service (PSB) is both a local police and the Chinese equivalent of the KGB. There are also paramilitary armed police and more than 1 million security guards in China.

Quasi parapolice---known as "cheng guan"---operate in many places. Often little more than thugs, they are often hired by officials to help them carry out some unpopular actions such as collecting taxes and fines and ousting peasants from seized land. See Police Abuse Below

The chengguan (City Urban Administrative and Law Enforcement Bureau) have a notorious reputation, with many regarding them as little more than thugs. They are feared and despised for their capricious crackdowns and penchant for violence. “Chengguan are the thuggish city management officials who are supposed to keep order on the streets but who often end up abusing citizens, “David Pierson wrote in the Los Angeles Times, “Think of them as thuggish meter maids or health inspectors with batons.

The chengguan have a reputation for brutality, which has made them widely reviled, and they have been involved in several deaths. In 2008, four enforcers beat a man to death after he had used his mobile phone to film a violent confrontation between villagers and officials. In another case, three officers were jailed for stabbing a noodle seller to death in a row over his stall. [Source: Tania Branigan, The Guardian, April 23, 2009]

"To many, the officers embody all that is wrong with authority figures in China: impunity, abuse of power and disproportionate targeting of the poor," Pierson wrote..

DIFFERENT KINDS OF POLICE IN CHINA: CHENGGUAN, JIWEI AND AND PRETTY CITY WARDENS | Facts and Details




Plus there is the CCP security state with cameras everywhere and a security guard at virtually every gate 24/7.

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Did you know that there are over 1.1 million private security guards in the United States of America?

On a "population adjusted" basis that works out to around 4,657,500.

That boosts the US "population adjusted" total to 7,896,000 which appears to be larger than 4,100,000 but I could be wrong.

Bogus stats mean nothing in the reality of everyday violations of law and human rights.



Chinese villagers fight back against CCP Chen Guan Flatfoot Police











Villagers Stone Police Due To The Common Everyday Land Swindle Carried Out Throughout China by the Party-Government



GOOGLE TRANSLATION:

The cause of the incident was that the 30,000-mu-acre sea area of ​​the Bohai Sea was requisitioned by the "Quanzhou Waimao" project. The government departments and construction units seriously violated laws, regulations, and black-box operations. They did not negotiate with the villagers and did not give reasonable compensation to the villagers. The demolition fees were also missing, and it was planned to build a highly polluted refinery, which caused strong dissatisfaction and anger. The villagers repeatedly protested and the government turned a blind eye.

On May 4, a large number of police officers were holding electric batons to chase the villagers. Many people were wounded and arrested. On the evening of the 10th, the police entered Bohai Village to arrest people, causing a major conflict of more than 2,000 people.

On the morning of the 11th, the police continued to arrest people. Many old people were forcibly taken away on the road. The situation further intensified. The villagers felt that they had been forced to go to the road, and the group of people began to besiege the Nanhu Village Committee and fight for it.







CCP Poltergeist



The Jiang Xi Municipality Cheng Guan Police Public Security Bureau Building was set on fire after the Party-Government began disinterment of caskets to relocate a cemetery for a new commercial development. The local citizenry was not consulted or respected by the Party-Government officials who always make corrupt gains from commercial projects that seize land from local citizens.

The first video below of mass protest in Chong Qing has English subtitle translations by the tv station presenting the video.



Party-Government Land Swindles of citizens in the massive metropolis Chongqing cause disruptions and protest demonstrations long term despite a change of Party-Government leaders.



The video presents a microcosm of Party-Government land swindles for huge profit to themselves in virtually every development that has occurred in the PRC during the past 20 years.








Citizens Gather at the Cheng Guan Police Building to Protest Rape and Murder of 11 year old Girl and Release of the Accused



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Saturday afternoon (June 28), more than 10,000 people in Chun'an County of Guizhou rushed into the county public security bureau, the county government and the county party committee building, smashed the office, and ignited the office building and more than 10 police cars. The cause of the incident was that a girl from the third middle of the Pan'an was raped and raped. The Public Security Bureau not only released the murderer, but also killed and injured the family and people who went to apply for it [family to complained to the Cheng Guan police]. Among them, dozens of middle school students were seriously injured. The students and the public were extremely angry, and the public security bureau, police car, county government and county party building were burned.

Several local people who participated in the anti-violence said that this is an official ruling. The victim girl Li Shufen has no money and no power at home, and the official has become the umbrella of evil forces. The public disclosed that the local hooligans had always colluded with the officials and ran rampant.









Protesters Against Toxic Waste Water Being Dumped Are Arrested So Protesters Surround the Cheng Guan Flatfoot Police



Jiangsu Qidong is accused of discharging toxic waste water into the waters of of Qidong and is strongly resisted. Thousands of police arrested many protesters followed by thousands of people surrounded the police.

Tangmo said:

Bogus stats mean nothing in the reality of everyday violations of law and human rights.

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I'm sorry that you don't appreciate me pointing out that the US has a higher relative proportion of "police" (which, as you indicated ought to be done, includes private security personnel) that does China.

Numbers are what numbers are.

It's only the "I don't want to know that, and I don't want anyone else to know it either." attitude that turns the actual numbers into "bogus stats"

Tangmo said:

Chinese villagers fight back against CCP Chen Guan Flatfoot Police

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From 2011

Tangmo said:

Villagers Stone Police Due To The Common Everyday Land Swindle Carried Out Throughout China by the Party-Government

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From 2013

Tangmo said:

CCP Poltergeist

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Interesting shots of those hordes of (secret) police brutally beating people, eh wot?

Tangmo said:

Party-Government Land Swindles of citizens in the massive metropolis Chongqing cause disruptions and protest demonstrations long term despite a change of Party-Government leaders.

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From 2012

Tangmo said:

Citizens Gather at the Cheng Guan Police Building to Protest Rape and Murder of 11 year old Girl and Release of the Accused

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From 2008, and, of course, nothing like that has ever happened in the United States of America.

Tangmo said:

Protesters Against Toxic Waste Water Being Dumped Are Arrested So Protesters Surround the Cheng Guan Flatfoot Police

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From 2012, and, of course, there has never been a single "ecology protest" in the US that was broken up by the police.

There was the Tiananmen Square Massacre in June 1989 and there are videos posted here from 2018, 2017 and from other recent years. The only change is that the regime of Xi Jinpingpong is the most internet repressive regime in the world. It is severe and extensive in its censorship.

Still however Chinese have their cellphones and upload their videos to the www. The videos serve also to defy the attempts of the smug and self-satisfied light of head intellectuals in the West to downplay the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing while trying to degrade the United States. The self-appointed airheads of the north cannot succeed because they can never successfully create any equivalence between the United States of America and the People's Republic of China, the PRC being a wholly owned and operated subsidiary of the CCP's Party-Government.

The first video presented and the second video are reports in English....


Cheng Guan Flatfoot Police Reinforced By the Paramilitary People's Armed Police Battle Villagers Over Land Swindles of Local Landowners



This is as I have noted the classic situation in the CCP-PRC over the past 20 years. The Party-Government swindles local residents of their land at low or zero compensation then sells it to developers for tens of millions of USD value in RMB. The locals do of course protest, i.e., they fight back. Chinese over thousands of years haven't any recourse against their arrogant and abusive masters in the government except to protest, fight back; burn it down.







About Internet Censorship In the CCP-PRC and Its Party-Government










Tens of Thousands Protest the Rule of the Party-Government-Mafia





Background info: On June 17th around 7:30, Xu Yuangao's body was found outside Yong Long hotel in Shishou city, Hubei province. Xu, 24, was the hotel's chef. Police investigated the scene and said that Xu had committed suicide. Xu's family, however, believed that he was murdered because there were no blood stains on the ground, but there were some obvious injuries in his body. Moreover, a similar incident had taken place two years prior. Rumor spread that local police and government officials had shares in the hotel.

The following day, the hotel told Xu's family that if they could agree with a report that Xu committed suicide, they could get 35,000 yuan in compensation. Instead, Xu's family insisted on finding out the truth and refused to hand over Xu's body. Xu's father then brought a gas container to the hotel to protect the body from being taking away.

At 1am on June 19, police and funeral cars arrived at the hotel, wanting to take the body away. 2,000 Shishou residents blocked the hotel entrance to protect Xu's corpse. The first confrontation between local residents and the police took place at 8am, during which some residents were arrested, while more joined in. At 1pm, several thousand local residents fought back with stones and bottles and the police line broke down. At 3pm, police failed again in seizing the dead body and the city government had to seek help from armed police. Eventually, Jingzhou sent a clan of armed police to back up. However, the number of local residents had reached more than 40,000 at its peak and the armed police had to retreat.

At night, there were still more than 10,000 residents blocking the hotel entrance and main roads leading to the hotel. At 2am on June 20, 500 police took action again and there was another confrontation. Dozens of local residents and polices were injured.

The city government began to cut Internet connections on the early morning of June 20. Another round of confrontation took place around 7am. This time police were equipped with 8 anti-riot vehicles and six fire engines. Thousands of local residents fought back with stone and bricks. Torrent from twitter has set up a twitter account @shishou for translating updates in English. (End.)



In China it is an old custom and tradition to accept money from the authorities to accept a crime against a member of your family. It's accepted because the family haven't any recourse against the authorities. In this instance and during the time since October 1, 1949 the authorities have been the Party-Government-Mafia.