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Senate Judiciary Chair Chuck Grassley sets a Monday deadline for Ford to present.

Men, such as those on the GOP side Judiciary Comm. and some on this forum, are the reason why more women don't come forward. Sexual assault and harassment are among the most unreported crimes. I'd venture to say that a large number of women on this forum has had a similar experience as Dr. Ford.

This is exactly right. I was raped in college in a similar fashion as Dr. Ford. The only person I ever told was my husband, 10 years after the incident. I was just embarrassed and I didn’t want to even bring it up. Just wanted to forget about it.


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Grassley Says Kavanaugh Committee Vote Will Be Monday If Christine Ford’s Legal Team Doesn’t Meet Deadline



https://www.mediaite.com/online/gra...istine-fords-legal-team-doesnt-meet-deadline/

The Republicans want to do their best to hide any evidence that might implicate Kavanaugh, if he gets away with rape, so be it, so long as they get their way on the supreme court. But many research papers published in peer reviewed journals say that is what many Republican supporters want, so I suppose it's understandable.


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Kavanaugh is a piece of ****. Maybe women are smarter than men.



Ford is a slutty whore. Maybe everyone is smarter than you.



See how fun it is to just make sh** up before hearing any evidence?
 
yeah because the bill is called the Violence against women act, if you opposed it you have to be anti woman

the clinton scum did that with their gun ban-it was called the omnibus "Safe streets act" and Clinton and Schumer charged those who oppose the law as being AGAINST SAFE STREETS--same with the last try to ban semi autos-its sponsor called it the LAW ENFORCEMENT PROTECTION ACT

those of us who are less than worshipful of big government tend to understand the title the law's sponsors choose are loaded and biased
Like Bush/Cheneys deregulation on Clean air standards being called the clean air act?
 
it's over.

She told the GOP to shove it.

Now women will have Thomas and Kavanaugh on the bench. Trump in the white house.

I am thinking, any women that will still vote GOP is someone who has very low self esteem and all that goes with that.

How can a women possibly vote GOP?
So the GOP gave her the chance to present her claim and as you stated she told them to shove it. And somehow that is the GOPs fault. Those are some pretty dark partisan glasses you got on.
 
From CNBC:

"It's Friday night and nothing's been agreed to despite our extensive efforts to make testimony possible," Grassley said in a statement, after an original 5 pm deadline lapsed without a response from Ford or her legal team.

"I'm extending the deadline for response yet again to 10 o'clock this evening. I'm providing a notice of a vote to occur Monday in the event that Dr. Ford's attorneys don't respond or Dr. Ford decides not to testify," Grassley said. "In the event that we can come to a reasonable resolution as I've been seeking all week, then I will postpone the committee vote to accommodate her testimony. We cannot continue to delay." https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/gop...naugh-accuser-proposes-wednesday-hearing.html

Ford's attorneys asked last night that Mark Judge be subpoenaed. I wonder how responsive Grassley et al will be to this "request" when those attorneys failed to meet his deadline.

How long can she stall? Grassley is playing her game because the politics favor the republicans. She is stalling because they have operatives who are trying to find someone to back her up who has at least some credibility, but it they are coming up empty.

They want an FBI investigation because that will get them over the election horizon since these take years looking for suspects under every bed.

And of course, here she is telling the congress "How it's gonna be", who testifies when and in what order, and who does or does not get to cross examine, and Grassley is saying, "Sure. We'll do it your way." LOL.

Yeah, you bet.

When this is done this woman is going to wish she never heard the name "Feinstein".
 
This is exactly right. I was raped in college in a similar fashion as Dr. Ford. The only person I ever told was my husband, 10 years after the incident. I was just embarrassed and I didn’t want to even bring it up. Just wanted to forget about it.


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I am very sorry to hear about your experience, no one deserves that.

I was a bartender/manager for many years in a college town. I heard countless stories like yours from friends and waitresses, and from time to time overhearing guys bragging about things like this, although that was more in the military.

I can think of one that was reported. You know better than most that this is a common crime that is VERY rarely reported.

This life experience is why I tend to believe fords story, well that and kavanaugh is already a proven liar with everything to lose.

Ford only had everything to lose against by coming forward, and no reason to lie.
 
This is exactly right. I was raped in college in a similar fashion as Dr. Ford. The only person I ever told was my husband, 10 years after the incident. I was just embarrassed and I didn’t want to even bring it up. Just wanted to forget about it.


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But Ford said she wasn't actually raped. We don't even know if her account was true. Her subsequent story contradicts her initial notes. She's naming a specific culprit - Bret Kavanaugh - and is insisting on strange preconditions, rather than testifying in a straightforward way.

If she just wanted to forget about it, then why did she write the letter to Feinstein?

You need to understand that men have rights too - like the presumption of innocence - and that the Constitution was designed to protect the rights of all. Destroying the presumption of innocence on the grounds that "this once happened to me" is not the path to a fair and just society. The rest of us have lives to live too, and not just you.
 
But Ford said she wasn't actually raped. We don't even know if her account was true. Her subsequent story contradicts her initial notes. She's naming a specific culprit - Bret Kavanaugh - and is insisting on strange preconditions, rather than testifying in a straightforward way.

If she just wanted to forget about it, then why did she write the letter to Feinstein?

You need to understand that men have rights too - like the presumption of innocence - and that the Constitution was designed to protect the rights of all. Destroying the presumption of innocence on the grounds that "this once happened to me" is not the path to a fair and just society. The rest of us have lives to live too, and not just you.

This is exactly why women don’t come forward... responses like this one. Quite honestly this response is disgusting to me. When will women ever be given the benefit of the doubt? Are we all just liars, 24/7?

She’s sacrificed her life and safety for the good of our country. She lost her home and can’t go back to her job. She had to go into hiding and have round the clock security because she, her husband and her CHILDREN are receiving credible death threats. To think *she* is politically motivated or part of some conspiracy is insane. To brush off her assault because she didn’t report it as a 15 year old is just disgusting. What’s happening to her is yet another dark, horrific stain on our history.

The chance is extremely low that she is making all of this up. There should be an investigation and we should hear her story instead of push this guy through so quickly. It is NOT common that women make up stories just to ruin a man’s life. It is MORE common that women are victims of sexual assault. This is a fact. Forgive me for sympathizing with a woman who claims she went through the same thing that I went through. I don’t agree with the republicans and I think it’s a shame they are giving her ultimatums. She should be heard. This goes for anyone coming forward about sexual assault. We just want the truth. Why wouldn’t you want to hear her story? You really want this dude on the SC if what he did is true? Sad if you do.


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Ford is a slutty whore. Maybe everyone is smarter than you.



See how fun it is to just make sh** up before hearing any evidence?
There was plenty of evidence that Kavanaugh is a piece of **** long before anyone ever heard the name of his accuser.
 
I am very sorry to hear about your experience, no one deserves that.

I was a bartender/manager for many years in a college town. I heard countless stories like yours from friends and waitresses, and from time to time overhearing guys bragging about things like this, although that was more in the military.

I can think of one that was reported. You know better than most that this is a common crime that is VERY rarely reported.

This life experience is why I tend to believe fords story, well that and kavanaugh is already a proven liar with everything to lose.

Ford only had everything to lose against by coming forward, and no reason to lie.

Thanks. And I agree with everything you have said. I truly hope we as a society are finally changing our ways enough to make victims more comfortable about coming forward sooner so proper charges can be made and the abusers will be promptly punished and put away. This has just turned into such a political circus and we are totally forgetting that a teenage girl was brutally attacked 30 years ago and her life was forever changed. Also that a teenage boy tried to rape a classmate and was able to walk away from it and live his life relatively unscathed for 30 years. And to think many people feel bad for the man... I have no words. His life hasn’t been affected!!! And Look at who we elected!!! Does the man ever suffer any consequences?? No, it’s always the woman, running away and hiding in shame for YEARS. Its a horrible feeling that eats away at you. And when she finally comes forward, look what happens. I hope things begin to change. It’s depressing.


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This is exactly why women don’t come forward... responses like this one. Quite honestly this response is disgusting to me. When will women ever be given the benefit of the doubt? Are we all just liars, 24/7?

She’s sacrificed her life and safety for the good of our country. She lost her home and can’t go back to her job. She had to go into hiding and have round the clock security because she, her husband and her CHILDREN are receiving credible death threats. To think *she* is politically motivated or part of some conspiracy is insane. To brush off her assault because she didn’t report it as a 15 year old is just disgusting. What’s happening to her is yet another dark, horrific stain on our history.

The chance is extremely low that she is making all of this up. There should be an investigation and we should hear her story instead of push this guy through so quickly. It is NOT common that women make up stories just to ruin a man’s life. It is MORE common that women are victims of sexual assault. This is a fact. Forgive me for sympathizing with a woman who claims she went through the same thing that I went through. I don’t agree with the republicans and I think it’s a shame they are giving her ultimatums. She should be heard. This goes for anyone coming forward about sexual assault. We just want the truth. Why wouldn’t you want to hear her story? You really want this dude on the SC if what he did is true? Sad if you do.


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You are absolutely correct, however you are dealing with a boys will be boys GOP. Remember they voted for an admitted sexual assaulter/***** grabber for president, why would they be even a little apposed to having another predictor on the supreme Court???
 
This is exactly why women don’t come forward... responses like this one. Quite honestly this response is disgusting to me. When will women ever be given the benefit of the doubt? Are we all just liars, 24/7?

She’s sacrificed her life and safety for the good of our country. She lost her home and can’t go back to her job. She had to go into hiding and have round the clock security because she, her husband and her CHILDREN are receiving credible death threats. To think *she* is politically motivated or part of some conspiracy is insane. To brush off her assault because she didn’t report it as a 15 year old is just disgusting. What’s happening to her is yet another dark, horrific stain on our history.

The chance is extremely low that she is making all of this up. There should be an investigation and we should hear her story instead of push this guy through so quickly. It is NOT common that women make up stories just to ruin a man’s life. It is MORE common that women are victims of sexual assault. This is a fact. Forgive me for sympathizing with a woman who claims she went through the same thing that I went through. I don’t agree with the republicans and I think it’s a shame they are giving her ultimatums. She should be heard. This goes for anyone coming forward about sexual assault. We just want the truth. Why wouldn’t you want to hear her story? You really want this dude on the SC if what he did is true? Sad if you do.


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When they can identify the when and where of the alleged criminal activity and make the claim under oath. The idea that someone needs more time to do so after waiting 36 years smells of a political ploy to assure more delay rather than having a credible claim. Rest assured that the next demand will be for a 'full investigation', of course, causing even more delay.
 
When they can identify the when and where of the alleged criminal activity and make the claim under oath. The idea that someone needs more time to do so after waiting 36 years smells of a political ploy to assure more delay rather than having a credible claim. Rest assured that the next demand will be for a 'full investigation', of course, causing even more delay.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.


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You are absolutely correct, however you are dealing with a boys will be boys GOP. Remember they voted for an admitted sexual assaulter/***** grabber for president, why would they be even a little apposed to having another predictor on the supreme Court???
I have a 14 year old daughter and I could see her not saying anything just to protect myself and her older brothers from committing the crimes we most certainly would were something like that happen to her...
 
This is exactly why women don’t come forward... responses like this one. Quite honestly this response is disgusting to me. When will women ever be given the benefit of the doubt? Are we all just liars, 24/7?

Oh, I made my post knowing that you might react like this. So hear my response.

I did not accuse all women of being liars, or most women of being liars, or anything like that. I'm saying that the burden of proof must always be on the accuser - yes, even if the accuser is a woman, a black person, a white person, an asian person, a left-handed albino hemophiliac person - the standard must remain the same. There are no special categories in the Constitution. The purveyors of Identity Politics seek to do an end-run around these requirements.

A man who accuses faces burden of proof as an accuser. Likewise, a woman who accuses must face burden of proof as an accuser. There is no special loophole here. No special exceptions or exemptions.


She’s sacrificed her life and safety for the good of our country. She lost her home and can’t go back to her job. She had to go into hiding and have round the clock security because she, her husband and her CHILDREN are receiving credible death threats. To think *she* is politically motivated or part of some conspiracy is insane. To brush off her assault because she didn’t report it as a 15 year old is just disgusting. What’s happening to her is yet another dark, horrific stain on our history.

We don't know anything about what she's been through, because she won't even appear in public in front of the Senate committee. It's not the Republicans who leaked her name - it's obviously someone from Feinstein's camp, or else the accuser herself - because they're the only ones who knew about the letter. The accuser has a lawyer who is a known Democrat activist and fund-raiser. It's looking very possible that the Democrats are using the accuser for their own partisan ends. Feinstein should not have quietly sat on the letter for months, while avoiding questioning Kavanaugh on the allegations in the latter. They shouldn't have leaked her name to the Washington Post before the accuser had a chance to testify.


The chance is extremely low that she is making all of this up. There should be an investigation and we should hear her story instead of push this guy through so quickly. It is NOT common that women make up stories just to ruin a man’s life. It is MORE common that women are victims of sexual assault. This is a fact. Forgive me for sympathizing with a woman who claims she went through the same thing that I went through. I don’t agree with the republicans and I think it’s a shame they are giving her ultimatums. She should be heard. This goes for anyone coming forward about sexual assault. We just want the truth. Why wouldn’t you want to hear her story? You really want this dude on the SC if what he did is true? Sad if you do.

The Senate committee has invited her to speak. She should do so in a straightforward way - by not doing so, she is further muddying the waters.

That Senate committee has the power to subpoena her, and compel her to speak, if they wish - under legal penalty if the person refuses.

I don't want anyone on the Supreme Court if they've committed a criminal act. But I can't just accept that someone is a criminal based on a mere accusation. If that's the standard, then anyone can accuse anyone else of anything, and then it has to be accepted. The burden of proof is on the accuser - must always be - whether it's me accusing you of something, or you accusing me.
 
That will be quite the optics...A old man like Grassely telling an assault survivor to shut up and obey.....that her claim is dismissed...women voters won't be pleased....LOL

Aw yes, an assault survivor who never levied any charges, never notified the local police, has no one to support her claims now all of a sudden comes forth 36 years later to derail the nomination of a very qualified Constitutionalist SC nominee. Let's face it there isn't ever going to be a nominee that Trump submits that is going to meet yours or the radical left's requirement of a judicial activist and it is all about delay, delay, delay, overturn the results of the 2016 elections and throwing a temper tantrum like all leftists do when they are in the minority.

For some reason you are in a debate forum probably just for attention and just to spread leftwing radical opinions and rhetoric never backing any up with facts, logic or common sense. Please post the facts in this case not opinions, FACTS?
 
I have a 14 year old daughter and I could see her not saying anything just to protect myself and her older brothers from committing the crimes we most certainly would were something like that happen to her...

You think your daughter would wait 36 years to bring this forward without having any witness to support her? This case is one you want to believe simply because like in every other thread you hate Trump, will never support anything he does or anyone he nominates, and continue to hope beyond hope that the Congress is taken over by the Democrats so they can resist the America First agenda and attempt to impeach him for allegations without proof.
 
You think your daughter would wait 36 years to bring this forward without having any witness to support her? This case is one you want to believe simply because like in every other thread you hate Trump, will never support anything he does or anyone he nominates, and continue to hope beyond hope that the Congress is taken over by the Democrats so they can resist the America First agenda and attempt to impeach him for allegations without proof.
She has witnesses. I suggest you demand the Republicans let them speak.

Why isn't Mark Judge testifying about Kavanaugh? He is an alleged witness

Republicans are refusing to call on Mark Judge, who Christine Blasey Ford claims witnessed her assault, to testify. The reason is all too clear...

Rather than embracing testimony from Judge as a means of finding the truth about Ford’s allegation, the Republican Senate judiciary committee chairman, Charles Grassley, has scheduled a hearing for Monday and has refused to call Judge as a witness.
 
This is exactly right. I was raped in college in a similar fashion as Dr. Ford. The only person I ever told was my husband, 10 years after the incident. I was just embarrassed and I didn’t want to even bring it up. Just wanted to forget about it.


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Dr. Ford was not raped.
 
She has witnesses. I suggest you demand the Republicans let them speak.

Why isn't Mark Judge testifying about Kavanaugh? He is an alleged witness

So now you believe another leftwing accounting of a supporter of Kavanaugh? Why would anyone agree to become a public servant in this era of 24/7 media and radicalism that destroys people's lives. We went through weeks of hearings and investigations with nothing coming out, now the "October" surprise in September. You people are totally despicable and will do whatever you can to destroy anyone that gets in the way of your ideology. Sexual assault based upon your definition then is anything someone else says regardless of the time frame and regardless if there are any witnesses or regardless if the action actually occurred and charges weren't brought.

how in the hell does the Kavanaugh issue affect you, your family or the country especially since he has a record as a Judge NOW and this supposedly occurred 36 years ago? Delay, delay, delay to overturn an election results. You want to believe reports on Judge simply because you hate Trump. those reports do not pass the smell tests except to the radical left who has no sense of smell and the dirtier they can get the better.
 
This is exactly why women don’t come forward... responses like this one. Quite honestly this response is disgusting to me. When will women ever be given the benefit of the doubt? Are we all just liars, 24/7?

She’s sacrificed her life and safety for the good of our country. She lost her home and can’t go back to her job. She had to go into hiding and have round the clock security because she, her husband and her CHILDREN are receiving credible death threats. To think *she* is politically motivated or part of some conspiracy is insane. To brush off her assault because she didn’t report it as a 15 year old is just disgusting. What’s happening to her is yet another dark, horrific stain on our history.

The chance is extremely low that she is making all of this up. There should be an investigation and we should hear her story instead of push this guy through so quickly. It is NOT common that women make up stories just to ruin a man’s life. It is MORE common that women are victims of sexual assault. This is a fact. Forgive me for sympathizing with a woman who claims she went through the same thing that I went through. I don’t agree with the republicans and I think it’s a shame they are giving her ultimatums. She should be heard. This goes for anyone coming forward about sexual assault. We just want the truth. Why wouldn’t you want to hear her story? You really want this dude on the SC if what he did is true? Sad if you do.


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I am sorry for asking this, but do you remember the circumstances under which you were assaulted?

Do you remember when, and by who and all the information?

This woman does not so there is nothing to investigate. it doesn't look like people don't want to investigate, but the woman has to give them something to go on other than finger pointing.

Also, because something happened to you does not mean this woman is telling the truth.
 
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Thanks. And I agree with everything you have said. I truly hope we as a society are finally changing our ways enough to make victims more comfortable about coming forward sooner so proper charges can be made and the abusers will be promptly punished and put away. This has just turned into such a political circus and we are totally forgetting that a teenage girl was brutally attacked 30 years ago and her life was forever changed. Also that a teenage boy tried to rape a classmate and was able to walk away from it and live his life relatively unscathed for 30 years. And to think many people feel bad for the man... I have no words. His life hasn’t been affected!!! And Look at who we elected!!! Does the man ever suffer any consequences?? No, it’s always the woman, running away and hiding in shame for YEARS. Its a horrible feeling that eats away at you. And when she finally comes forward, look what happens. I hope things begin to change. It’s depressing.


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You are saying that like it has been proven it happened.

If the woman brings forth some evidence to be investigated, and it is shown to have happened, then you should feel sorry for her.

As of right now, there is nothing to go on.
 
Whatever helps you sleep at night.


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You don't agree the woman should supply some information that can be investigated?

You think finger pointing is enough to derail the legal process?
 
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