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Trump: Middle East Invasion Worse Than Civil War

Saboteur said:
Trump: Middle East Invasion Worse Than Civil War

Okay now, everyone that told me otherwise back in 2005...

Tell me how you still support Trump.

(Dicks)
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The civil war was fought for a damn good reason.

Iraq and Afghanistan were the result of cowardly republican and democrat politicians who had zero skin in the game....... with almost 1 million service people injured or killed.

Tell me how you make a stupid thread like this.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The civil war was fought for a damn good reason.

Iraq and Afghanistan were the result of cowardly republican and democrat politicians who had zero skin in the game....... with almost 1 million service people injured or killed.

Tell me how you make a stupid thread like this.
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About 300,000 people have died in the Middle East Wars and 500,000 - 600,000 died in the Civil War...

...and like you said, the Civil War was a very important war. Afghanistan? WTF?
 
Maybe that's why Trump hasn't visited our troops in the ME and Afghanistan going on two years as CinC.
 
Bodhisattva said:
About 300,000 people have died in the Middle East Wars and 500,000 - 600,000 died in the Civil War...

...and like you said, the Civil War was a very important war. Afghanistan? WTF?
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True...true

Got too quick with the keyboard, and thx for correcting.
 
The civil war was the biggest mistake this country ever made.
 
Verax said:
The civil war was the biggest mistake this country ever made.
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Trump is the biggest mistake the US has ever made.

The civil war was extremely costly but it was fought for good reasons.
 
Verax said:
The civil war was the biggest mistake this country ever made.
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Should have just left Slavery as a legal institution, eh?
 
Bodhisattva said:
About 300,000 people have died in the Middle East Wars and 500,000 - 600,000 died in the Civil War...

...and like you said, the Civil War was a very important war. Afghanistan? WTF?
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Ummm…

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-ha...-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

I don't really know which wars were the worst, nor do I particularly care.
All of it's rather nasty and blood thirsty. Something Americans might wanna ponder, next time they wonder how things got so polarized inside the USA. Its not really that hard to get along, as long as you don't let obviously extreme ideas take over your minds.
 
GDViking said:
Trump is the biggest mistake the US has ever made.

The civil war was extremely costly but it was fought for good reasons.
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Bodhisattva said:
Should have just left Slavery as a legal institution, eh?
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Not what I was implying. The south should have not fought and instead gave up slavery.
 
Yeah, I got to agree with Trump on this one to an extent. The Civil War was horrible but the DECISION by Lincoln to fight it was far more justified than W’s decision to invade. I don’t know if it was the worst Presidential decision in our country’s history, but it was worse than Lincoln’s.
 
Saboteur said:
Trump: Middle East Invasion Worse Than Civil War

Okay now, everyone that told me otherwise back in 2005...

Tell me how you still support Trump.

(Dicks)
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My father and uncles served during WWII, except my father's youngest brother, who was too young to serve during the war. He served in the Coast Guard after the war, where he felt he could do good. My two eldest uncles died during combat. I never met them. When I asked my father if he accomplished anything during the war he said he helped keep his buddies alive and killed Nazis. Both were worthwhile objectives for him. He went back for Korea. He believed other than for assisting to protect his fellow soldiers, he accomplished nothing.

I served in SE Asia. I enlisted, did my job, killed people, tried to protect my own. Other than somewhat safely bringing home some of my comrades in arms, I accomplished nothing other than to come home with a damaged body mourning unnecessary dead buddies, having killed and terrorizing a whole bunch of people defending their own nations and supporting fascist thugs who killed and terrorized their own peoples.

Both my sons served in both Iraq and Afghanistan. My oldest an army doctor. When he finally returned home, he felt he helped save American servicemen's lives, maybe some locals, but nothing else. My younger son participated during intense combat in both theaters. When he came home, he believed he helped to bring home safely some of the men and women he served with. He firmly believes today, we shouldn't be fighting and serving in either country, they should be free to kill, torture and subjugate each other as they see fit. He says, should they support or export terrorists, carpet bomb them till they are all dead, waste as few American lives as possible, and the hell with world opinions.

Now, you explain to me why Trump is wrong, with your clean conscience. And I will call you a liar who rationalizes lies.

:boom:toilet:
 
Verax said:
The civil war was the biggest mistake this country ever made.
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Our Civil War was not an option. It was inevitable from the founding of this country. Slave & free cannot coexist.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Should have just left Slavery as a legal institution, eh?
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The Civil War was fought purely to prevent secession by the South - Slavery was just a fabricated pretext - just like Russian meddling is a fabricated pretext, or he-tried-to-rape-me-35-years-ago is a fabricated pretext.

The unprovoked dastardly attack that came from Afghanistan was worse than Pearl Harbor, directly hitting the heart of America's largest metropolis. Meanwhile, Afghanistan isn't part of the Middle East - Trump was referring to the unprovoked invasion of Iraq, which was entirely unnecessary.

In my opinion, Bill Clinton and Madeleine Albright's over-ambitious and poorly-executed 'peace process' for Israelis and Palestinians, which then blew up in everyone's faces, then left the Israelis so desperate to salvage their situation that after 9-11 happened, the Israel lobby in America became determined to hijack the ensuing War-on-Terror to invade the Middle East. People like Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, William Krystol, and Richard Kagan were among those who led the charge for the Iraq Invasion. You may remember that these same people led the 'Never Trump' movement on the Republican side after Trump attacked Jeb Bush's brother for the Iraq Invasion during the South Carolina debate. Likewise, on the Democrat side Albright was the first to start hollering against Trump when he called for NATO countries to pay their fair share. McCain started attacking Trump soon after.

Clearly, Trump has offended both sides of the Swamp, which subsequently mobilized its elements within the Deep State against him.
 
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Verax said:
Not what I was implying. The south should have not fought and instead gave up slavery.
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That was not an option open to them. The value of their slaves alone was greater than that of the value of everything in the industrial North. It was the basis for their entire agricultural economy.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The civil war was fought for a damn good reason.

Iraq and Afghanistan were the result of cowardly republican and democrat politicians who had zero skin in the game....... with almost 1 million service people injured or killed.

Tell me how you make a stupid thread like this.
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Oh really?

Hunting down Osama was because of "cowardice"?

An "interesting" theory.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Errr.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Servile_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Servile_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Servile_War
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And yet, how many centuries did slavery exist and flourish in Rome?

I'm not saying I agree with the premise of slavery...I don't.
America was one of the last, if not THE last western nation to abolish slavery.
There were more factors at play, at that time in history, than simply the idea that "Slave & free cannot coexist."
They have...and still do in Africa BTW.
 
Buzz62 said:
And yet, how many centuries did slavery exist and flourish in Rome?

I'm not saying I agree with the premise of slavery...I don't.
America was one of the last, if not THE last western nation to abolish slavery.
There were more factors at play, at that time in history, than simply the idea that "Slave & free cannot coexist."
They have...and still do in Africa BTW.
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And how many times did it lead to out and out uprisings which sometimes caused huge numbers of deaths?

Slavery isn't just morally wrong; it is toxic to any society.

Look at Sparta. Their insistence on preserving their slave classes lead, at least in part, to their downfall.

Actually it was Brazil, but the South was a close second.

Ah yes, the "but they do it in Africa" justification.

I hate to break it to you, but the actions of terrorist groups and paramilitaries are not an excuse.
 
JacksinPA said:
That was not an option open to them. The value of their slaves alone was greater than that of the value of everything in the industrial North. It was the basis for their entire agricultural economy.
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Yet they somehow managed after the war was over. If they were forward thinking they would have realized the end of their way of life was inevitable. So instead they lost twice instead of once.
 
Saboteur said:
Trump: Middle East Invasion Worse Than Civil War

Okay now, everyone that told me otherwise back in 2005...

Tell me how you still support Trump.

(Dicks)
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His lack of historical insight aside, why the hell can't he communicate without the use of superlatives and hyperbole. Why is everything the best, the worst, the best ever, the biggest, the first ever, etc. God he's such a ****ing tool.
 
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