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Spokeswoman for group supporting Kavanaugh says......‘rough horseplay'

TurtleDude said:
lets assume she is 100% accurate-she was at a party where underage drinking was going on and she apparently was doing the drinking and a 17 year old boy-who was stupid drunk then engaged in what would be termed (for an adult) fourth decree sexual assault with a one year SOL.

my view-so what. what relevance does this have given there is no evidence of BK engaging in anything like this as an adult
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Y'all need to get your **** straight about what is or is not considered an adult.

Now, 17 isn't an adult, but for Trayvon Martin, 17 was an adult.

So which is it? Is 17 an adult, or not?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
There are a lot of parts to this. On one hand, I completely understand why a woman wouldn’t want to press charges in an attempted rape. She would have her reputation dragged through the mud and have to relive the whole thing and in the end the majority of such cases don’t end in conviction due to a lack of evidence. It is a very difficult crime to convict on due to its very nature. So I get why she may not have reported it.

I can also understand how a woman who didn’t report her attempted rape might be pushed to the point of finally saying something once her attempted rapist is nominated to Supreme Court. Despite trying to put the memory behind her all of a sudden the man who attempted to rape her is all over the news and it looks like he will soon be in a position to make choices that affect her and rest of the country. I can easily imagine how that would push her out of silence. So the timing of her accusation isn’t an issue with me. I get it.

But I also understand how our political leadership works and thinks. Everything is a means unto their political end. Feinstein, as well as most members of Congress, see these situations as games to win, and people like Ford are just pawns to them.

But the cat is out of the bag. Ford’s accusation is already out there. There is apparently no statute of limitations for attempted felony rape in Maryland, if it turns out the incident rises to that, so Ford should file charges with the appropriate officials in Maryland.
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That is the really sad part about all this is we will never know the truth. I am sure an investigation was done and when they realized they did not have enough evidence to take him to court they decided to use media justice. Media justice is just as bad as vigilante justice or no justice and needs to be stopped by our government not promoted. Of course our leaders do no serve the people but their own agenda. That is why we have these media witch hunts and media justice.
 
Superfly said:
Y'all need to get your **** straight about what is or is not considered an adult.

Now, 17 isn't an adult, but for Trayvon Martin, 17 was an adult.

So which is it? Is 17 an adult, or not?
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travon martin is a red (er dead) herring and irrelevant

even if this alleged incident involved adults-its way way passed the SOL

so try again. and under MD law, he was a juvenile and this alleged crime would not rise to something that would get one charged as an adult. want to argue legal issues with me? learn the subject first
 
DiAnna said:
Who are you talking about? The one with glasses is Katy Tur of MSNBC; don't know who the other woman is, but I'm pretty damned sure it is not Dr. Ford.
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Carrie Severino, the advocate who claimed it was "just rough horseplay".
 
TurtleDude said:
what is her purpose for raising something she knows cannot be the subject of a valid prosecution or civil suit and would have been sealed if it had actually resulted in a juvie-court action?
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Skeptic Bob said:
There is apparently no statute of limitations for attempted felony rape in Maryland, if it turns out the incident rises to that, so Ford should file charges with the appropriate officials in Maryland.
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I don't know what the laws are regarding rape or attempted rape where they were. I will defer to Bob, as he seems to know.

As far as why she waited, I don't know. Maybe take a look at some of the responses in this thread to understand why she didn't come forward. Maybe look at the fact that she has had to hire private security because she is getting death threats as a reason for not coming forward.

Gee, I dunno.
 
TurtleDude said:
travon martin is a red (er dead) herring and irrelevant

even if this alleged incident involved adults-its way way passed the SOL

so try again. and under MD law, he was a juvenile and this alleged crime would not rise to something that would get one charged as an adult. want to argue legal issues with me? learn the subject first
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Is 17 an adult or is it not? Simple question that one does not need a law degree to answer.
 
Superfly said:
Y'all need to get your **** straight about what is or is not considered an adult.

Now, 17 isn't an adult, but for Trayvon Martin, 17 was an adult.

So which is it? Is 17 an adult, or not?
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This is another pathetic double standard in our judicial system. I could fight and die for this country because I was an adult but I had to get mommy to buy me a beer. Does it get any more pathetic than this. Yes it does. At 14 years old 99 out of 100 parents will say their teenager is not an adult and should not be treated as one. Our judicial system and all our laws agrees unless they want to prosecute them.
 
Superfly said:
Is 17 an adult or is it not? Simple question that one does not need a law degree to answer.
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not for criminal court cases
not for voting
not for being able to sign contracts
buy a shotgun


what exactly are you talking about
 
Superfly said:
The hypocrisy is astounding. If she was drunk, she deserved what she got. If he was drunk, he was just horseplaying around. "Boys will be boys" and all that rot.
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Agreed. "He was only 17..." Well, she was only 15. "Rough horseplay" translates to "attempted rape" when the intended victim is struggling and screaming for help.
 
Superfly said:
I don't know what the laws are regarding rape or attempted rape where they were. I will defer to Bob, as he seems to know.

As far as why she waited, I don't know. Maybe take a look at some of the responses in this thread to understand why she didn't come forward. Maybe look at the fact that she has had to hire private security because she is getting death threats as a reason for not coming forward.

Gee, I dunno.
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Yeah, it makes perfect sense to me why someone wouldn’t initially go to the cops when raped. I have heard WAY too many stories of victims being demonized to pretend to not get that. That said, I wouldn’t defer to me on anything regarding this case. I am just repeating things I googled moments before. :)
 
TurtleDude said:
not for criminal court cases
not for voting
not for being able to sign contracts
buy a shotgun


what exactly are you talking about
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My question is very clear, so please stop deflecting.

We are using an example here of two different 17 year old boys.

17 year old Brett Kavanaugh was not an adult.

17 year old Trayvon Martin was an adult.

Just wondering which you are claiming, because I saw a lot of "Trayvon Martin was a grown man" bull**** tossed around here a few years back.

Just wondering where you fall on this, considering you think Kavanaugh at 17 was not an adult.
 
DiAnna said:
Agreed. "He was only 17..." Well, she was only 15. "Rough horseplay" translates to "attempted rape" when the intended victim is struggling and screaming for help.
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Yep. His age at the time should most certainly come into play with sentencing, but it shouldn’t mean he walks scott-free, if he committed the crime. The vast majority of 17-year old boys know it is wrong to rape a girl. Hell, my mom and dad didn’t even need to sit me down and explain that one.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Yeah, it makes perfect sense to me why someone wouldn’t initially go to the cops when raped. I have heard WAY too many stories of victims being demonized to pretend to not get that. That said, I wouldn’t defer to me on anything regarding this case. I am just repeating things I googled moments before. :)
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:lol: Saved me from doing it. I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.
 
Superfly said:
My question is very clear, so please stop deflecting.

We are using an example here of two different 17 year old boys.

17 year old Brett Kavanaugh was not an adult.

17 year old Trayvon Martin was an adult.

Just wondering which you are claiming, because I saw a lot of "Trayvon Martin was a grown man" bull**** tossed around here a few years back.

Just wondering where you fall on this, considering you think Kavanaugh at 17 was not an adult.
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this has to be one of the most idiotic diversions I have seen. You don't like the law? TFB
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Yep. His age at the time should most certainly come into play with sentencing, but it shouldn’t mean he walks scott-free, if he committed the crime. The vast majority of 17-year old boys know it is wrong to rape a girl. Hell, my mom and dad didn’t even need to sit me down and explain that one.
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why do people pretend this was rape. it would have been fourth degree sexual assault. if committed by an adult. SOL ONE YEAR
 
Superfly said:
So you are not going to answer my question? You are just going to deflect *again* with "this is dumb. I'm not gonna answer."
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your idiotic diversions involving Travon Martin has absolutely nothing to do with this

why don't you tell us why TM has anything relevant to do with this?

are you mad that the obvious smear of Kavanaugh appears to be failing?
 
TurtleDude said:
your idiotic diversions involving Travon Martin has absolutely nothing to do with this

why don't you tell us why TM has anything relevant to do with this?

are you mad that the obvious smear of Kavanaugh appears to be failing?
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I asked you a simple question, Turtle. I'd think you'd have the balls to answer.

What is the difference between Kavanaugh not being considered an adult at 17, and Trayvon Martin being considered an adult?

This has nothing to do with smearing anybody. I am asking a simple question, and I'd love an answer from you.
 
TurtleDude said:
why do people pretend this was rape. it would have been fourth degree sexual assault. if committed by an adult. SOL ONE YEAR
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To be fair to me, and I like to be fair to me, I have caveats everything with “IF he committed it”.

For a layman like me, the “attempted” part confuses things. What is the difference between attempted first degree felony rape and fourth degree sexual assault? There is apparently no statute of limitations in Maryland even for attempted rape. Unless I am reading this all wrong, which wouldn’t be the first time today.

https://www.rainn.org/pdf-files-and...esources/2009-Statutes/09MarylandStatutes.pdf
 
Superfly said:
So you are drawing welfare? Is that what you are saying?
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No, I'm not - unlike you, I consider it to be more fruitful to work and be productive in life. Productivity is never a word we hear used from the Left - except possibly in a disparaging context.
 
Superfly said:
I asked you a simple question, Turtle. I'd think you'd have the balls to answer.

What is the difference between Kavanaugh not being considered an adult at 17, and Trayvon Martin being considered an adult?

This has nothing to do with smearing anybody. I am asking a simple question, and I'd love an answer from you.
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you do understand its different jurisdictions and since BK never came before any criminal court it really has no relevance. BTW TM was not on trial, was never charged with a crime and his age had no relevance to the criminal case that was opened you appear extremely confused about what is going on in this matter.
 
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