Man charged with murder in killing of star Iowa State golfer

Renae said:

Bigotry? You ARE desperate aren't you? True or false, the murderer was here illegally? TRUE! So, he shouldn't have been in the country! I don't care where he's from, what his skin color is... he had no legal right to be in the USA. Had we enforced the laws, she'd still be alive. Now, preventing a citizen from committing such a crime... please explain how we can prevent that? Also, your gun analogy is very lame, try again.

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notquiteright said:

Nice try to deflect from bigotry, fact is you really don't care about preventable, as the continual murdering of children by children with firearms that should have been stored safely is just lame to you... :roll:

True or false MILLIONS of people are here illegally but never commit murder, that one or two do so (far below the 'native' murder rates) doesn't make the current anti-immigrant wave palatable. (or very convincing).

Another 'nativist' lie, we do enforce our laws, deportations occur daily, children are separated from their immigrant parents, you do listen to/watch the news, right???

We enforce all our laws, but drunks still drive, addicts still rob, parents leave weapons out for their kids to find, bank robbers, ahhh poor bank robbers, get serious prison time, people still cross the border to do as our immigrant ancestors did...

I guess your solution is to build an Iron Curtain on both borders and a heavy naval presence on both coasts... better end visas and tourism while your at it...

Lame excuses for bigotry and hypocrisy... eace

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MrWonka said:

So if we made it illegal for white men to be in the country we could prevent this one too right?

Also, you seem to be forgetting that the immigrant killer was in the country legally. He was employed on a farm run by a prominent Iowan Republican Family.

So your solution to preventing the first death was to kick out all the immigrants, even the ones here legally. Here's another problem with that, the most recent victim was also an immigrant. If we kicked her out too as you suggest we should then the white male citizen that killed her would have undoubtedly killed a different young female golfer. The result? The same number of young American girls being murdered by ****ty white men as before.


Well, we could start by deporting all white men. That would be the equivalent solution to the one offered by you to prevent the other one.

Or we could try focusing on the violent nature of too many young men. This white citizen had a record of violence. The latino killer did not. There was nothing in his history that indicated violent tendencies at all. It was a complete surprise to everyone who knew him. This white citizen on the other hand literally told a friend of his that he wanted to kill and rape a golfer the week before while walking by the exact same golf course.

Studies tend to show that child abuse tends to lead to violence down the road. The exact types of discipline and corporal punishments that are still all too prevalent among many rural white conservatives families and many African American families as well.

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Renae said:

I also posted to Wonka more information showing he is incorrect, notice he's not responded, better to run from data that makes him look... wrong than to man up and say "okay I hadn't seen that, thanks for bringing it to my attention."

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ttwtt78640 said:

Since these additional immigrants are not displacing any people born here then the number of immigrants required to lower the US violent crime rate by any significant amount would be huge (100M more might just do the trick).

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MrWonka said:

Yes, it is. I made the thread, and I should know what it's about. This thread is about Conservative Intellectual dishonesty when faced with a tragic murder of an immigrant carried out by a white citizen.

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JustHanging said:

If immigrants are less violent than native born Americans, which is what the research states, then the per capita rate of violent crime drop for every immigrant let into the country.

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ttwtt78640 said:

That is theoretically true, yet the change (increase?) in population due to total annual immigration is currently less than .05%. Once the next generation of those immigrants is produced then they are native born US citizens (statistically more prone to commit crime?). My point is that to cause any significant change in the violent crime rate then we would need 100X to 1000X the immigration rate that we now have.

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