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Statement from the Press Secretary - Release of documents, unredacted, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, P

If the Trump administration is going to release investigative documents within 2 months of the midterms, then I think it's only fair the FBI continues taking action as well.
 
Exactice said:
While of course the Cherry picking is all intensive purposes political. IF there was direct bias and or a crime or an abuse of power that can be edified? My question is cherry picking is NOT allowed to validate abuse?

I mean in the COURT of LAW most prosecutors or defendants usually cherry pick evidence in their clients favor?

If the unredacted infromation an abuse or an intended abuse of power. should these people NOT be held responsible?
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what do you think?
 
Exactice said:
While of course the Cherry picking is all intensive purposes political. IF there was direct bias and or a crime or an abuse of power that can be edified? My question is cherry picking is NOT allowed to validate abuse?
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Releasing classified documents for political purposes, is bad.
Releasing classified documents pertaining to an ongoing investigation, is bad.

Exactice, you can file complaints with a variety of sources if you think something bad is going on. The gold standard is the Inspector General, who already investigated this and released a detailed report, citing the appearance of bias, and the resulting lack of evidence to support that such bias impacted any work decisions AND that no decisions were made in a vacuum/secret by any one person...that dozens of agents/managers all saw each action, and thus, the idea that there was some conspiracy whatsoever, has been debunked.
If the IG found evidence of something beyond policy/ethics violations, they would refer it for criminal investigation.

That's the process.

What Trump/House Republicans do, is political, and sets a terrible precedent.

I mean in the COURT of LAW most prosecutors or defendants usually cherry pick evidence in their clients favor?
If the unredacted information an abuse or an intended abuse of power. should these people NOT be held responsible?
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Exactly. These agents ARE NOT ON TRIAL FOR CRIMINAL CHARGES. And thus, we have no business seeing their personal, or work related discussions, unless there is some compelling reason. And there is not.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm not going to argue the pros & cons of releasing this stuff, but if they do it should be complete & only redacted for national security.
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I am assuming so.... I cant imagine that while "Declassifying" would entail a full lift of all blacked our portions, From my understanding the FBI chose the redaction from the First release.

I am sure NSA is still going to go through the declassified parts..... and still keep the "Top level" Security stuff... well Secured...

CONTEXT much? LOL! .... assumption is that we are lifting all redaction... I doubt it... but more transparency would be great from that FISA report. All I really want to confirm is. The too the time to say "Source #1" was there MULTIPLE source in the FISA report, I dont need to know who, I just want to see Source #2, Source #3 and see that it was USED in greater "context" then source #1 (Steele Dossier) thats it
 
Exactice said:
If we the the people have doubts in our own FBI/CIA how can we expect others to trust us? In all honesty. take out partisanship. With the cloud and doubt that is cast on the CIA & FBI leadership in general regardless on who this is being done to, TRUMP or not, just in general does it NOT raise question and again doubt in their autonomy?
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Sure let's take out the partisanship and that goes both ways, if WE the people have doubts on our OWN PRESIDENT, how can we expect others to trust us? Trump is a KNOWN LIAR. Where are his tax returns, why is he cherry picking evidence? Why did he LIE about meetings in his tower and about payments his lawyer made?
 
Mach said:
Releasing classified documents for political purposes, is bad.
Releasing classified documents pertaining to an ongoing investigation, is bad.

Exactice, you can file complaints with a variety of sources if you think something bad is going on. The gold standard is the Inspector General, who already investigated this and released a detailed report, citing the appearance of bias, and the resulting lack of evidence to support that such bias impacted any work decisions AND that no decisions were made in a vacuum/secret by any one person...that dozens of agents/managers all saw each action, and thus, the idea that there was some conspiracy whatsoever, has been debunked.
If the IG found evidence of something beyond policy/ethics violations, they would refer it for criminal investigation.

That's the process.

What Trump/House Republicans do, is political, and sets a terrible precedent.


Exactly. These agents ARE NOT ON TRIAL FOR CRIMINAL CHARGES. And thus, we have no business seeing their personal, or work related discussions, unless there is some compelling reason. And there is not.
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Im not going to disagree at all with your first point.... I will highlight 1 point, Again While I stated that Page and Strozk are ultimately Pawns their person/work related text does compel reasons..... its out there right now. There are QUESTIONS.

Here is the big picture in my mind.

1) TRUMP Won, did he win legally or illegally?
2) Trump is accused of Colluding with Russia.
3) Trump like any human is being accused and is defending himself like many other Humans would..If I was NOT guilt.... I would be defending myself and trying everything in my legal power to prove my innocence?
4) The Deck was STACKED against him, Hell I knew my vote was in vain I live in an ultra liberal state... so color me pink when I saw Trump win.....

So in all seriousness I would likely be as paranoid that people are against him.....so again doing what He can legally is well... his only option at this point no?
 
JANFU said:
As I mentioned earlier- Just finished Fear. My wife now has the Kindle, what an eye opener. When my wife is done reading it, I am reading it again and I cannot recall reading a book twice and within such a short time frame.
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What does it say about collusion?
 
Exactice said:
Totally get it.... This sounds a lot like the Nunes memo....... I am sure there are classified points of sources and method that will still have some precautions in place.

You remember the Schiff screaming and yelling about sources and methods...yeah that was boy who cried wolf,

Remember when the FBI withheld Insurance policy and "He wont become president right, Right" as was thought to be sources and methods... yeah boy who cried wolf.


this again goes back to my point the credibility lately and the shadow/Cloud over hanging this all...... to many boy who cried wolf.
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The President has almost limitless power in the executive branch. He can launch an IG investigation to get to the bottom of it. He can release the results of that investigation. This is sacrificing our safety for Trump's political gain...well at least he thinks it's his gain.
 
Praxas said:
Sure let's take out the partisanship and that goes both ways, if WE the people have doubts on our OWN PRESIDENT, how can we expect others to trust us? Trump is a KNOWN LIAR. Where are his tax returns, why is he cherry picking evidence? Why did he LIE about meetings in his tower and about payments his lawyer made?
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Fair enough!!! That's a great retort.

With that,

1) Known liar, but who's standard, as he is not facing any Perjury Charges or even a single indictment or criminal charge.
2) Tax returns while under audit are NOT required to be public..... And what is his Tax return going to prove, that he pays taxes or that he is NOT worth $3billion that Forbes and he claims to be.... I mean really what will his tax returns do? Also any Coporate or ultra wealthy will have deductions... that they are "taking advantage" of dont blame Trump blame congress that MAKES laws....
3) Lie about Trump Tower meeting? Because he has stated he knew nothing there is NO proof that he knew so he can lie if there is nothing edify his knowledge of.
4) Payments made YET again first of I have asked this question, I dont think I got a clear answer if anyone knows. "NDA agreements. IN public statements to deny is part of the NDA right? So unless trump is sent to testify under oath, what hold presidency, The NDA that he needs to keep his mouth shut? Or can he be held for lying?" I have always been curious about it.


Again though I do think he is a scumbag.... just a moral one... nothing relating to Russia....again purely my opinion. And when Mueller does come out with his finding if he has charges and is found guilty... then he should go to jail NO Partisanship if hes guilty hes guilt PERIOD. I wont defend that.
 
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Exactice said:
Im not going to disagree at all with your first point.... I will highlight 1 point, Again While I stated that Page and Strozk are ultimately Pawns their person/work related text does compel reasons..... its out there right now. There are QUESTIONS.

Here is the big picture in my mind.

1) TRUMP Won, did he win legally or illegally?
2) Trump is accused of Colluding with Russia.
3) Trump like any human is being accused and is defending himself like many other Humans would..If I was NOT guilt.... I would be defending myself and trying everything in my legal power to prove my innocence?
4) The Deck was STACKED against him, Hell I knew my vote was in vain I live in an ultra liberal state... so color me pink when I saw Trump win.....

So in all seriousness I would likely be as paranoid that people are against him.....so again doing what He can legally is well... his only option at this point no?
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  1. ??? No one is saying that Trump won illegally. Just because his campaign and members of his campaign committed crimes does not make his win illegal. (and yes we know that Trump's campaign and Trump Campaign members committed crimes in the run up to the election).
  2. The only crime Trump has officially been accused of is campaign finance violations. Collusion is not a crime. Which is fortunate because we know with absolute certainty that Trump and members of the Trump campaign colluded with Russians et al to damage Hillary Clinton's campaign.
  3. Trump is not like any human being. Most people in his situation would shut up and listen to legal advice.
  4. Debatable. There were fundamentals acting in both directions.
 
Mach said:
Releasing classified documents for political purposes, is bad.
Releasing classified documents pertaining to an ongoing investigation, is bad.

Exactice, you can file complaints with a variety of sources if you think something bad is going on. The gold standard is the Inspector General, who already investigated this and released a detailed report, citing the appearance of bias, and the resulting lack of evidence to support that such bias impacted any work decisions AND that no decisions were made in a vacuum/secret by any one person...that dozens of agents/managers all saw each action, and thus, the idea that there was some conspiracy whatsoever, has been debunked.
If the IG found evidence of something beyond policy/ethics violations, they would refer it for criminal investigation.

That's the process.

What Trump/House Republicans do, is political, and sets a terrible precedent.


Exactly. These agents ARE NOT ON TRIAL FOR CRIMINAL CHARGES. And thus, we have no business seeing their personal, or work related discussions, unless there is some compelling reason. And there is not.
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You dont know that. It just may be that there IS a compelling reason that your hatred for Trump has kept you from seeing.
 
I will be very interested to see what these documents reveal. VERY interested.
 
So what I'm reading is this:

1. Trump's order is at the discretion of AG Sessions and Rosenstein.
2. They will talk to Mueller and he will strongly advise against it.
3. Mueller will file a complaint and Trump will order the release anyway.
4. Sessions and Rosenstein refuse.
5. Trump fires them.
 
Mithros said:
The President has almost limitless power in the executive branch. He can launch an IG investigation to get to the bottom of it. He can release the results of that investigation. This is sacrificing our safety for Trump's political gain...well at least he thinks it's his gain.
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Oh please. Where do you get this garbage? Explain how we are less safe because of this. And yes, I will wait for you to hear some talking head on television come up with an answer for you.
 
Verax said:
So what I'm reading is this:

1. Trump's order is at the discretion of AG Sessions and Rosenstein.
2. They will talk to Mueller and he will strongly advise against it.
3. Mueller will file a complaint and Trump will order the release anyway.
4. Sessions and Rosenstein refuse.
5. Trump fires them.
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Sessions has no say in this.

Mueller has no say in this.

Rosenstein and Wray have a say, but they cannot refuse.

What actually ends up being unredacted will be up to DNI Coates.

Nobody will be fired...but Congress might refer some Obama pukes to DOJ for criminal prosecution. That's when Huber will step in.
 
Verax said:
So what I'm reading is this:

1. Trump's order is at the discretion of AG Sessions and Rosenstein.
2. They will talk to Mueller and he will strongly advise against it.
3. Mueller will file a complaint and Trump will order the release anyway.
4. Sessions and Rosenstein refuse.
5. Trump fires them.
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Which is what he should do if they defy his orders. Those guys work for him, not the other way around.
 
Verax said:
So what I'm reading is this:

1. Trump's order is at the discretion of AG Sessions and Rosenstein.
2. They will talk to Mueller and he will strongly advise against it.
3. Mueller will file a complaint and Trump will order the release anyway.
4. Sessions and Rosenstein refuse.
5. Trump fires them.
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If there's nothing to hide, Rosenstein and Mueller shouldn't be concerned about releasing the information.

Do you think there's something incriminating in those documents? Something that incriminates Rosenstein et. al. that is?
 
Mithros said:
  1. ??? No one is saying that Trump won illegally. Just because his campaign and members of his campaign committed crimes does not make his win illegal. (and yes we know that Trump's campaign and Trump Campaign members committed crimes in the run up to the election).
  2. The only crime Trump has officially been accused of is campaign finance violations. Collusion is not a crime. Which is fortunate because we know with absolute certainty that Trump and members of the Trump campaign colluded with Russians et al to damage Hillary Clinton's campaign.
  3. Trump is not like any human being. Most people in his situation would shut up and listen to legal advice.
  4. Debatable. There were fundamentals acting in both directions.
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Clinton paid for information from the Russian government to damage the Trump Campaign. Is that "collusion", too?
 
JANFU said:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-34/


Statement from the Press Secretary - Release of documents, unredacted, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.
Kerist, I have no idea what to say on this

It appears from news reports that only selected documents will be released. Ah cherry picking what makes ya look good
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I'm still waiting for James Comey, Peter Sztrok and John Brennan to respond on Twitter. For some reason they're uncharacteristically quiet
 
Mycroft said:
Sessions has no say in this.

Mueller has no say in this.
Rosenstein and Wray have a say, but they cannot refuse.
What actually ends up being unredacted will be up to DNI Coates.

Nobody will be fired...but Congress might refer some Obama pukes to DOJ for criminal prosecution. That's when Huber will step in.
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Man, I really wish and hope you're right on that one. There is a bunch of those Obama pukes that really "deserve" it ...
 
Fenton said:
I'm still waiting for James Comey, Peter Sztrok and John Brennan to respond on Twitter. For some reason they're uncharacteristically quiet
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You follow them? Doubtful
 
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