Texas Board Drops Hillary Clinton, Helen Keller and Barry Goldwater From Curriculum

[HumblePi]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/15/texas-board-drops-hillary-clinton-mandated-history-curriculum/1316956002/

[snip]The State Board of Education in Texas has voted to drop several historical figures, including Hillary Clinton, Barry Goldwater and Helen Keller, from the state’s required social studies curriculum to "streamline" the material for millions of public school students.

The decision to remove such figures would not prevent teaching about them, only that it would not be mandatory.

Members of the volunteer work groups that made such recommendations to the board said the state requires children to learn about too many historical figures.[/snip]


If this isn't neo-Nazisim, nothing is.

 

[Fenton]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/15/texas-board-drops-hillary-clinton-mandated-history-curriculum/1316956002/

[snip]The State Board of Education in Texas has voted to drop several historical figures, including Hillary Clinton, Barry Goldwater and Helen Keller, from the state’s required social studies curriculum to "streamline" the material for millions of public school students.

The decision to remove such figures would not prevent teaching about them, only that it would not be mandatory.

Members of the volunteer work groups that made such recommendations to the board said the state requires children to learn about too many historical figures.[/snip]


If this isn't neo-Nazisim, nothing is.

:lamo

 

[yankintx]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/15/texas-board-drops-hillary-clinton-mandated-history-curriculum/1316956002/

[snip]The State Board of Education in Texas has voted to drop several historical figures, including Hillary Clinton, Barry Goldwater and Helen Keller, from the state’s required social studies curriculum to "streamline" the material for millions of public school students.

The decision to remove such figures would not prevent teaching about them, only that it would not be mandatory.

Members of the volunteer work groups that made such recommendations to the board said the state requires children to learn about too many historical figures.[/snip]


If this isn't neo-Nazisim, nothing is.

Considering how little history is already taught in public schools this comes as no suprise.

 

[Removable Mind]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/15/texas-board-drops-hillary-clinton-mandated-history-curriculum/1316956002/

[snip]The State Board of Education in Texas has voted to drop several historical figures, including Hillary Clinton, Barry Goldwater and Helen Keller, from the state’s required social studies curriculum to "streamline" the material for millions of public school students.

The decision to remove such figures would not prevent teaching about them, only that it would not be mandatory.

Members of the volunteer work groups that made such recommendations to the board said the state requires children to learn about too many historical figures.[/snip]


If this isn't neo-Nazisim, nothing is.

The Texas State Board of Education believes the earth is 6000 years old, that people roamed wit the dinosaurs, anti-science, anti-development of children’s crtitcal thinking and problem solving skills, anti-arts/music curriculum, anti-civics/government curriculum. Pro-bible classes which are called History Classes. :roll:

 

[HumblePi]

Considering how little history is already taught in public schools this comes as no suprise.

Perhaps that's the reason people never learn from history, they aren't taught it enough in public schools?

 

[Amelia]

They had a rating system to score historical relevance and Hillary apparently doesn't make the cut. It doesn't make sense on its face that Hillary or Helen Keller wouldn't make the grade, but if the curriculum board does have standards and are trying to be objective about it -- to make the best use of teachers' limited time -- then that is defensible. There ARE a whole lot of historical people to study, of course, and there isn't time for everyone.

Unfortunately, their defense breaks down when they make a special exception to keep Billy Graham in the curriculum even though he scored lower than either of those ladies.

 

[dcsports]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/15/texas-board-drops-hillary-clinton-mandated-history-curriculum/1316956002/

[snip]The State Board of Education in Texas has voted to drop several historical figures, including Hillary Clinton, Barry Goldwater and Helen Keller, from the state’s required social studies curriculum to "streamline" the material for millions of public school students.

The decision to remove such figures would not prevent teaching about them, only that it would not be mandatory.

Members of the volunteer work groups that made such recommendations to the board said the state requires children to learn about too many historical figures.[/snip]


If this isn't neo-Nazisim, nothing is.

I don't think you know what "neo-Nazisim" [sic] is.

 

[dcsports]

The Texas State Board of Education believes the earth is 6000 years old, that people roamed wit the dinosaurs, anti-science, anti-development of children’s crtitcal thinking and problem solving skills, anti-arts/music curriculum, anti-civics/government curriculum. Pro-bible classes which are called History Classes. :roll:

And... none of that is true.

 

[Grand Mal]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/15/texas-board-drops-hillary-clinton-mandated-history-curriculum/1316956002/

[snip]The State Board of Education in Texas has voted to drop several historical figures, including Hillary Clinton, Barry Goldwater and Helen Keller, from the state’s required social studies curriculum to "streamline" the material for millions of public school students.

The decision to remove such figures would not prevent teaching about them, only that it would not be mandatory.

Members of the volunteer work groups that made such recommendations to the board said the state requires children to learn about too many historical figures.[/snip]


If this isn't neo-Nazisim, nothing is.

They're dumbing-down the history program? Well, it'll raise the average grades, won't it. Cut down on the course failures. Who could complain about that? If it works like it's supposed to they could do the same thing with math and sciences. Texas will score higher across the board and qualify more students for post-secondary.

 

[yankintx]

They had a rating system to score historical relevance and Hillary apparently doesn't make the cut. It doesn't make sense on its face that Hillary or Helen Keller wouldn't make the grade, but if the curriculum board does have standards and are trying to be objective about it -- to make the best use of teachers' limited time -- then that is defensible. There ARE a whole lot of historical people to study, of course, and there isn't time for everyone.

Unfortunately, their defense breaks down when they make a special exception to keep Billy Graham in the curriculum even though he scored lower than either of those ladies.

Are you serious, Graham is in the curriculum? That jumped up brush salesman, who parlayed his oratory skills into a multi-million $ tax free shelter? Keep them ignorant and voting the way they want.

 

[Amelia]

Are you serious, Graham is in the curriculum? That jumped up brush salesman, who parlayed his oratory skills into a multi-million $ tax free shelter? Keep them ignorant and voting the way they want.

From the link in the OP:

Clinton reportedly scored a five on the 20-point grading scale, and Keller scored a seven.

In June, one committee, following direction from the board, reversed a recommendation by a different committee to remove the late evangelist Billy Graham from the mandatory list, according to the Austin American-Statesman reports. Graham had scored a four on the grading scale.

 

[Removable Mind]

And... none of that is true.

Really? Let’s start with the following:

“Texas education board approves curriculum that challenges evolution”

February 2017

https://www.mystatesman.com/news/st...-challenges-evolution/TyQyZ5OxYNU3NQNDfZqECI/.

This Education Board is dangerous to young minds and not just in Texas. They control text book content for text books in a number of other states.

 

[Chomsky]

Did they keep John Birch?

 

[Removable Mind]

Did they keep John Birch?

Does the Pope wear a dress?

 

[Chomsky]

Does the Pope wear a dress?

Only on Sundays ...

 

[dcsports]

Really? Let’s start with the following:



This Education Board is dangerous to young minds and not just in Texas. They control text book content for text books in a number of other states.

Yes really.

 

[Amelia]

On my facebook wall, a friend just posted this. (Again.) (I'm pretty sure I've seen her share it before.)

I want to say something about the spirituality debate. You don't believe in God? That's ok, but why is it so important for many of you to mock those of us that do? If we're wrong, what have we lost when we die? Nothing! How does our faith in Jesus Christ bring you any harm? You think it makes me stupid? Gullible? Ignorant? That's ok too. How does that affect you? If you're wrong your consequence is far worse. I would rather live my life believing in God and serving Him, and find out I was right, than not believe in Him and not serve Him, and find out I was wrong. Then it's too late.
Ain't no shame in my game! I believe in Jesus Christ. He said deny me in front of your friends & I will deny you in front of my Father. #FacebookChallenge
If you're not ashamed copy & paste it! God is Good!!!!!!
I'm willing to do this...how about you? I believe in Him and am not ashamed to repost this message. Keep your hate to yourself!

I wanted to point out this Texas curriculum change as Exhibit A in how some people's "faith in Jesus Christ" brings others harm. It's just one small thing to take Helen Keller (with a historical relevance score of 7 out of 20) out of required curriculum but by special exception require students to learn about Billy Graham (with a historical relevance score of 4 out of 20), which as has been noted will affect how Keller and Graham will be dealt with in textbooks used far beyond Texas. That's just one small thing in a cascade of harms which are being done by people who are letting their "faith in Jesus Christ" affect policy in a manner which affects and potentially harms other people.

But I didn't dare mention it to my friend. She has a tender soul and a far rightwing husband and anything which escalates into a political discussion ends up ripping her heart a little. So I passed.

 

[Removable Mind]

Yes really.

Nows your chance to refute my source. And I assure you that the Idiocracy within the Texas Board of Education runs deep.

 

[HumblePi]

I don't think you know what "neo-Nazisim" [sic] is.

I do actually, although it's a pretty encompassing term and I should have made the distinction between Nazism and Fascism. Of course Nazism is the belief that 'white is right' and that the white race is the master race. Whereas, fascism it's an ideology that seeks to create a political fascist state. This action by the Dallas Board of Ed is a decision that seeks to limit freedoms such as freedom of speech among other things. By the Dallas Board of Education intentionally deleting hand-picked important aspects of U.S. history, they are essentially erasing those facts from the minds of young people. That's not what education is supposed to do. Educators are trained to present facts as they were and not mold or shape those 'facts' in something else that serves their purpose. Perhaps equating this first move towards preventing historic facts actually is the first baby step towards Fascism. Once an action such as this is condoned and excepted then it becomes commonly accepted practice by many other boards of education to pick and choose what they wish to be taught and what they wish to bury in history. Just like with Trump, he has told more than 5000 lies in the past 2 years but everyone just accepted as 'oh, that's just Trump being Trump and telling it like it is.'

Once our most important part of a child's upbringing is manipulated and modified in any way as far as factual historic facts, that's fascism, plain and simple. Teachers are being paid to teach history, and the reason behind the decision made by the Dallas Board of Education is about the most ridiculous reason they could have given. They think that children have "too many historic figures to learn"? Really, what the heck? If the Dallas Board of Education doesn't believe that Hillary Clinton, Helen Keller, Barry Goldwater or any other historic figures they've decided to literally omit from U.S. history, then what else will they pick and choose to eliminate from the U.S. history books in the future?

 

[dcsports]

Nows your chance to refute my source. And I assure you that the Idiocracy within the Texas Board of Education runs deep.

Don't have to. Your source had an intermediate discussion, and didn't support your point in any case.

 

[dcsports]

I do actually, although it's a pretty encompassing term ....

And, that doesn't apply here. Trying to make a link between removing Hillary Clinton as a required historical figure to Nazism is silly.

 

[Deuce]

We can't take down a statue because it's "erasing history" but literally removing someone from history textbooks SURE THING

 

[HumblePi]

And, that doesn't apply here. Trying to make a link between removing Hillary Clinton as a required historical figure to Nazism is silly.

Nazism IS a form of fascism. Perhaps you would like to explain or justify in some way why it makes any logical sense to eliminated historic figures like Helen Keller and Hillary Clinton from their lessons.

 

[southwest88]

A brush with greatness?

They had a rating system to score historical relevance and Hillary apparently doesn't make the cut. It doesn't make sense on its face that Hillary or Helen Keller wouldn't make the grade, but if the curriculum board does have standards and are trying to be objective about it -- to make the best use of teachers' limited time -- then that is defensible. There ARE a whole lot of historical people to study, of course, and there isn't time for everyone.

Unfortunately, their defense breaks down when they make a special exception to keep Billy Graham in the curriculum even though he scored lower than either of those ladies.

Wal, o' course. There's a story - possibly apocryphal, Who has the time? - that he counseled W & kinda prayed over him, oncet upon a time, when W was still a-swaggerin' & drinking hisn way through bars upta the Kennebunkport corral. So ya see, it pretty much makes sense, right?

 

[Kreton]

Re: A brush with greatness?

Historically Hillary Clinton's only relevance will be the person who failed to stop the election of our country's worst president. Her time in politics other than that will be as relevant as that of Frank B. Kellogg, Philander Knox, and William Windom. Granted their names are in books but no one really knows who they are.