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“Trump believes there’s a coup,”

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/trump-ny-times-op-ed-bob-woodward-fear

[snip]Besides family, one of the only people Trump continues to trust is Stephen Miller. “The op-ed has validated Miller’s view, which was also Steve Bannon’s, that there’s an ‘administrative state’ out to get Trump,” a Republican close to the White House said. “There is a coup, and it’s not slow-rolling or concealed,” Bannon told me. “Trump believes there’s a coup,” a person familiar with his thinking said. Trump’s relationship with Secretary of Defense James Mattis, which was already strained, has become almost nonexistent, a former official said.[/snip]

This idea of Miller and Bannon that 'there's a coup' is preposterous. Think about what they're attempting to make people believe. They're saying that the 'administrative state' is out to get him. First lets ask who is the administrative state? The people that are turning on him are his own people. His lawyer, his former campaign manager, his people, and not some imaginary 'administrative state'. Aside from the Trump children, there's nobody left on his inner circle. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had her campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, personal lawyer and national security advisor all indicted. At that point it would be an absolute conclusion that she was up to no good. These are all his people, his appointees, all his 'administrative state'. The dominoes are falling fast and Trump has become paranoid that everyone is against him but he brought all of this on himself.
 
HumblePi said:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/trump-ny-times-op-ed-bob-woodward-fear

[snip]Besides family, one of the only people Trump continues to trust is Stephen Miller. “The op-ed has validated Miller’s view, which was also Steve Bannon’s, that there’s an ‘administrative state’ out to get Trump,” a Republican close to the White House said. “There is a coup, and it’s not slow-rolling or concealed,” Bannon told me. “Trump believes there’s a coup,” a person familiar with his thinking said. Trump’s relationship with Secretary of Defense James Mattis, which was already strained, has become almost nonexistent, a former official said.[/snip]

This idea of Miller and Bannon that 'there's a coup' is preposterous. Think about what they're attempting to make people believe. They're saying that the 'administrative state' is out to get him. First lets ask who is the administrative state? The people that are turning on him are his own people. His lawyer, his former campaign manager, his people, and not some imaginary 'administrative state'. Aside from the Trump children, there's nobody left on his inner circle. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had her campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, personal lawyer and national security advisor all indicted. At that point it would be an absolute conclusion that she was up to no good. These are all his people, his appointees, all his 'administrative state'. The dominoes are falling fast and Trump has become paranoid that everyone is against him but he brought all of this on himself.
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Insofar as the op-ed evidences that there ARE people on the inside working against him, that much is true. How can you say it isn't, unless the op-ed was a fabrication?

That doesn't make all the "deep state" paranoia true. But it does show at least that.
 
HumblePi said:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/trump-ny-times-op-ed-bob-woodward-fear

[snip]Besides family, one of the only people Trump continues to trust is Stephen Miller. “The op-ed has validated Miller’s view, which was also Steve Bannon’s, that there’s an ‘administrative state’ out to get Trump,” a Republican close to the White House said. “There is a coup, and it’s not slow-rolling or concealed,” Bannon told me. “Trump believes there’s a coup,” a person familiar with his thinking said. Trump’s relationship with Secretary of Defense James Mattis, which was already strained, has become almost nonexistent, a former official said.[/snip]

This idea of Miller and Bannon that 'there's a coup' is preposterous. Think about what they're attempting to make people believe. They're saying that the 'administrative state' is out to get him. First lets ask who is the administrative state? The people that are turning on him are his own people. His lawyer, his former campaign manager, his people, and not some imaginary 'administrative state'. Aside from the Trump children, there's nobody left on his inner circle. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had her campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, personal lawyer and national security advisor all indicted. At that point it would be an absolute conclusion that she was up to no good. These are all his people, his appointees, all his 'administrative state'. The dominoes are falling fast and Trump has become paranoid that everyone is against him but he brought all of this on himself.
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Is the talking potato head who wrote that article trying to cashing on the "Woodward effect"? You know...spout off a bunch of stuff, attribute all of it to "sources told me", add in a bunch of spin, speculation, innuendo and hyperbole...and know that all this will appeal to the useful idiots.

Seriously, does this guy have proof of ANYTHING he got from his sources?
 
Blaming the deep-state is the tactic of a wannabe dictator.
 
He's confusing his own incompetence and lack of managerial talent for a coup.
 
Harshaw said:
Insofar as the op-ed evidences that there ARE people on the inside working against him, that much is true. How can you say it isn't, unless the op-ed was a fabrication?

That doesn't make all the "deep state" paranoia true. But it does show at least that.
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What Trump is eluding to is that the 'deep state' are his enemies in the FBI or the free press that's why he's attempting to demonize both of them, let's just be clear about that. The 'op-ed' is really of little significance as to who he's referring to as the 'deep state'. They are people inside his administration that are fearful of the damage he'll ultimately do to our constitution and democracy. The deep state are the people closest to him with the exception of his children.
 
Harshaw said:
Insofar as the op-ed evidences that there ARE people on the inside working against him, that much is true. How can you say it isn't, unless the op-ed was a fabrication?

That doesn't make all the "deep state" paranoia true. But it does show at least that.
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These are Trump's own people, not Democrats. They are not working against him. They are trying to stop him from rash actions that they think will endanger the country. They are trying to save him and his presidency, not destroy it. This is not evidence of a coup.

Personally, I don't think that unelected staffers deciding what presidential actions should be allowed is a good thing. It most certainly isn't. On the other hand, they are doing the best they can in difficult circumstances.
 
He broke a bunch of laws, and like most criminals, he doesn't want to face the music.

That's not a coup, it's justice.
 
A criminal running down the street with law enforcement all around him and closing in feels the same way...

THEY ARE ALL OUT TO GET ME!!!!!
 
HumblePi said:
What Trump is eluding to is that the 'deep state' are his enemies in the FBI or the free press that's why he's attempting to demonize both of them, let's just be clear about that. The 'op-ed' is really of little significance as to who he's referring to as the 'deep state'. They are people inside his administration that are fearful of the damage he'll ultimately do to our constitution and democracy. The deep state are the people closest to him with the exception of his children.
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What did I say about "deep-state paranoia"?
 
bearpoker said:
These are Trump's own people, not Democrats. They are not working against him. They are trying to stop him from rash actions that they think will endanger the country.
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If someone told you they were secretly working to thwart some of what you want to do, and are entitled to do, would you consider that trying to help you?
 
HumblePi said:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/trump-ny-times-op-ed-bob-woodward-fear

[snip]Besides family, one of the only people Trump continues to trust is Stephen Miller. “The op-ed has validated Miller’s view, which was also Steve Bannon’s, that there’s an ‘administrative state’ out to get Trump,” a Republican close to the White House said. “There is a coup, and it’s not slow-rolling or concealed,” Bannon told me. “Trump believes there’s a coup,” a person familiar with his thinking said. Trump’s relationship with Secretary of Defense James Mattis, which was already strained, has become almost nonexistent, a former official said.[/snip]

This idea of Miller and Bannon that 'there's a coup' is preposterous. Think about what they're attempting to make people believe. They're saying that the 'administrative state' is out to get him. First lets ask who is the administrative state? The people that are turning on him are his own people. His lawyer, his former campaign manager, his people, and not some imaginary 'administrative state'. Aside from the Trump children, there's nobody left on his inner circle. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had her campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, personal lawyer and national security advisor all indicted. At that point it would be an absolute conclusion that she was up to no good. These are all his people, his appointees, all his 'administrative state'. The dominoes are falling fast and Trump has become paranoid that everyone is against him but he brought all of this on himself.
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Remember the letter that claimed there are senior officials working to subvert, thwart the president's agenda? If not a soft coup, what would you call it?
 
trixare4kids said:
Remember the letter that claimed there are senior officials working to subvert, thwart the president's agenda? If not a soft coup, what would you call it?
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Disloyalty.
 
Harshaw said:
If someone told you they were secretly working to thwart some of what you want to do, and are entitled to do, would you consider that trying to help you?
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Maybe not. This is very subjective. The actors in this case are not trying to harm Trump. They are trying to protect the country. These people support a lot of what he's doing, tax cuts, judicial nominations, deregulation etc. It really all comes down to the question of Trump's fitness for office. They wouldn't be sabotaging him if they thought he was competent.
 
HumblePi said:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/trump-ny-times-op-ed-bob-woodward-fear

[snip]Besides family, one of the only people Trump continues to trust is Stephen Miller. “The op-ed has validated Miller’s view, which was also Steve Bannon’s, that there’s an ‘administrative state’ out to get Trump,” a Republican close to the White House said. “There is a coup, and it’s not slow-rolling or concealed,” Bannon told me. “Trump believes there’s a coup,” a person familiar with his thinking said. Trump’s relationship with Secretary of Defense James Mattis, which was already strained, has become almost nonexistent, a former official said.[/snip]

This idea of Miller and Bannon that 'there's a coup' is preposterous. Think about what they're attempting to make people believe. They're saying that the 'administrative state' is out to get him. First lets ask who is the administrative state? The people that are turning on him are his own people. His lawyer, his former campaign manager, his people, and not some imaginary 'administrative state'. Aside from the Trump children, there's nobody left on his inner circle. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had her campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, personal lawyer and national security advisor all indicted. At that point it would be an absolute conclusion that she was up to no good. These are all his people, his appointees, all his 'administrative state'. The dominoes are falling fast and Trump has become paranoid that everyone is against him but he brought all of this on himself.
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The CT presidency.

It's kind of fitting, in a way.
 
bearpoker said:
Maybe not. This is very subjective. The actors in this case are not trying to harm Trump. They are trying to protect the country.
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They are, by their own account, working to thwart Trump.

Whether or not it's "for the good of the country" really doesn't matter. It's working to thwart Trump.

It may even be the "right" thing to do. But it's still working to thwart Trump.

These people support a lot of what he's doing, tax cuts, judicial nominations, deregulation etc. It really all comes down to the question of Trump's fitness for office. They wouldn't be sabotaging him if they thought he was competent.
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And here, you are making my point for me.
 
trump is an ignorant, babbling jackass that needs to be removed.......Enough said
 
trixare4kids said:
Remember the letter that claimed there are senior officials working to subvert, thwart the president's agenda? If not a soft coup, what would you call it?
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Babysitting to make sure the baby's diaper doesn't spill out all over the carpet.

There is a reason Trump's behavior is so very much like others of the twentieth century who either damaged and weakened their democracies into hollow shells (for future leaders to finish off) or downright pulled them into dictatorships. He shares many of their inabilities to understand democratic government, shares their inability to cope with criticism, shares their knack for lashing out and using populism to manipulate idiot masses, and shares their frustrations with having to share with political opposition.

Trump is pulling the same thing that they all did and it appears that his fellow Republicans in his Administration appreciate his threat. Thankfully, Grant and Stanton appreciated Andrew Johnson's threat to the integrity of the nation. The same can be argued for Democrats and Republicans who saw Roosevelt's populist threats to the integrity of the nation when they united to oppose certain key issues in legislation. But Trump is more like a drunk driver who is accidentally bumbling about without direction...with embarrassingly explosive diarrhea.
 
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Harshaw said:
They are, by their own account, working to thwart Trump.

Whether or not it's "for the good of the country" really doesn't matter. It's working to thwart Trump.

It may even be the "right" thing to do. But it's still working to thwart Trump.



And here, you are making my point for me.
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Edwin Stanton/Ulysses Grant versus Andrew Johnson.

It does matter. Obviously, these fellow Republicans in the current White House have seen enough to understand that "America" First is not Trump's priority.
 
there is no coup. there is, however, a gag reflex. if we don't demonstrate it this November, we will in future elections.
 
trixare4kids said:
Remember the letter that claimed there are senior officials working to subvert, thwart the president's agenda? If not a soft coup, what would you call it?
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Senior officials alarmed at the insanity that is the current Presidency
 
Harshaw said:
They are, by their own account, working to thwart Trump.

Whether or not it's "for the good of the country" really doesn't matter. It's working to thwart Trump.

It may even be the "right" thing to do. But it's still working to thwart Trump.



And here, you are making my point for me.
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If they manage to get Trump through his term intact, they will have saved his presidency. This is hardly a coup attempt.

Whether it is the right thing to do is another issue entirely. I prefer it to Trump pulling out of the trade agreement with South Korea and possibly paving the way for WWIII.
 
HumblePi said:
What Trump is eluding to is that the 'deep state' are his enemies in the FBI or the free press that's why he's attempting to demonize both of them, let's just be clear about that. The 'op-ed' is really of little significance as to who he's referring to as the 'deep state'. They are people inside his administration that are fearful of the damage he'll ultimately do to our constitution and democracy. The deep state are the people closest to him with the exception of his children.
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Well, there were people in the FBI out to get him. That has been shown. Dont you pay attention to the news? Plus, he isnt demonizing the FBI, he is calling out the corrupt officials at the top. How many times does this have to be explained to you liberals before it sinks in?
 
Harshaw said:
Insofar as the op-ed evidences that there ARE people on the inside working against him, that much is true. How can you say it isn't, unless the op-ed was a fabrication?
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I'm not so sure. First off I can't write for ****, but I do like to read and that op-ed was armature-ish as all ****. It looks like the person who wrote the op-ed tried was trying to implicate someone else as the author by clumsily adding in a bunch of phrases from old speeches. The op-ed was so stupid, I'm guessing Trump had someone write it and plant it with NYT.
 
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