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Dallas officer enters apartment she mistakes for her own, fatally shoots man inside

longview said:
I think the wrong apartment story is simply a diversion, I think she went in uniform and armed to give him
a piece of her mind, and it was not well received. She might have had a good self defense argument,
had her story been she went us to ask him to keep the noise down, and he attacker her, but
that is gone now.
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That story would be far more believable. But there was a supposed report she parked on that parking level floor which would give credence to her being on the wrong apartment floor.

Then there are reports neighbors heard her pounding on the door and also she had sent a complaint to the apt managers about noise from his apt.


They just don't add up. She will plea bargain because the last thing she wants is this to go to a jury.
 
Tettsuo said:
Let's give this some thought.

If the shooter was not an officer, simply a woman with a license to open carry, shot a dude in his own apartment. Could she ever make the claim that she fired in self-defense and have people think that the shooting was reasonable?
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I don't think anyone is arguing that the shooting was reasonable as far as not facing charges. People are arguing whether or not this is murder or manslaughter and MateoMtnClimber is still hung on the fact she wasn't arrested immediately.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Shed need a non-personal reason to be banging on his door or shes impersonating an officer on duty.
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However the claim is she thought it was her own room. Last I checked, you don't need to have a warrant to enter your own house.
 
longview said:
I am not grasping at straws, her fellow officers, or perhaps her department higher ups, gave her the benefit of the doubt,
until the the investigation showed otherwise.
This is what they should do with everyone!
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True. Everyone should be treated equal under the law. Too bad it seldom happens.
 
Exactice said:
There is a lot of speculations from reading. MORE so a lot more questions than answers, Another poster listed the Affidavit. provided by the Officer.

This will be somewhat key in asserting intent.

The Goal pole gets moved around a LOT because when you look at the situation there are to many coincidences.


Im going to play a little.

What I think we know factually

Per the Affidavit -https://www.scribd.com/document/388281817/Full-arrest-warrant-affidavit-for-Dallas-police-officer-Amber-Guyger

Guyger, living in 1378,
while Botham 1478

Guyger Drove to the 4th floor, which the units are to correspond to the parking floor (1378- 3, parking level 3, 1478- 4, parking level 4) She drove to the wrong floor. (Issue 1, she could have driven in error, are the parking open space or are they assigned, did Botham have a car if assigned wouldn't his car be in the parking space? If not reserved the moot)


Walked down the hall way.

EO off duty, still in uniform, inserted a unique door key with an electronic chip. (part 2 of the concern) There is absolutely NO way to open the door, the door MUST have been opened from the inside or it had to be ajar. The video's also show the doors are auto closure so ajar is "odd" to say the least
LEO found the door ajar and under the force of inserting the key the door opened? (part 3 of concern) There is absolutely no way from the videos shown that under the force of inserting a key the door would open

Room was dark. Saw a dark figure, drew firearm gave commands that were not followed and then fired. - This under the circumstance is justifiable as a police officer with under the guise of mistaken apartment, assumed her home broken into and that a dark figure was in her home.


All and all there were 3 broken steps prior.

1) Parked on the wrong floor
2) Using a unique key with chip sensor to find a door ajar
3) Under key pressure the door opens.....

All this does not seem equitable.....

ONLY the last part that the assumption that was her apartment, Dark as a LEO and finding a dark shadow justifies here intent to enter the home to investigate.


fishy fishy fishy.
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Don't forget that there was no the difference in the hallway appearances. One had the potted plant, the other didn't. His apartment had a red carpet in front of the door, hers didn't. Those are just the distinctive obvious ones.
 
Exactice said:
Agreed.... Manslaughter does seem reasonable, UNLESS.... something else pops up like they DID have prior interactions before... This would then lead me a different path but I am NOT reading that .... so tragic event....and LEO should face the consequences from ending a life too early.
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At the moment, I agree with just going with manslaughter, unless information during the investigation comes up showing some kind of malice.
 
Tettsuo said:
Let's give this some thought.

If the shooter was not an officer, simply a woman with a license to open carry, shot a dude in his own apartment. Could she ever make the claim that she fired in self-defense and have people think that the shooting was reasonable?
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No...

She wouldn't have the backing and pressure of the police union.
 
longview said:
I do not think this is going to trial.
I think she is setting up a plea bargain, that she is hoping she can avoid going to prison.
I also do not think she will be successful.
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The public will not go for that at all. Can you imagine the riots that would occur in the aftermath also?
 
Lord of Planar said:
The public will not go for that at all. Can you imagine the riots that would occur in the aftermath also?
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I am not sure the public will have much input.
The DA will look to get the highest charge possible.
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.19.htm
Looking at the penal code, murder might stick, but the question would be if she intended to kill him when she
went to his door. For most people have a gun on her would show intent, but she was a police officer in uniform,
which includes a gun.
A person commits an offense if he:

(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;

(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual;
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I think proving intent for murder, might be too risky to hand to a Jury.
I think manslaughter would be the safer bet, and likely could be a plea agreement.
Sec. 19.04. MANSLAUGHTER. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death of an individual.
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dcsports said:
OK. Glad you saw that, although it sounds like you missed the point. Tragic mistakes do happen -- and at times, people also claim mistakes for intentional acts. Prosecutors have to investigate and look at the specific case to determine what happened.
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If you accidentally kill someone with your car because you didn't realize you were driving on the wrong side of the road, you're still liable. She was in the wrong apartment. She should be charged with manslaughter at the very least. The entire cop thing is irrelevant imo.
 
Maccabee said:
However the claim is she thought it was her own room. Last I checked, you don't need to have a warrant to enter your own house.
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Does it really matter what she thought? A man lost his life because of her dumb mistake and hasty actions. Manslaughter. If you or I did that, manslaughter. Drunk drivers don't mean to kill people, but they still get charged with manslaughter if they hit someone with their car.
 
Tettsuo said:
If you accidentally kill someone with your car because you didn't realize you were driving on the wrong side of the road, you're still liable. She was in the wrong apartment. She should be charged with manslaughter at the very least. The entire cop thing is irrelevant imo.
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Since you bring up car accidents due to negligence ... that's a situation where the offending party is often arrested later, after investigators have gathered evidence, and the DA requests a warrant.

The "cop thing" is very relevant. If your question is "why was she not immediately arrested" - it's because she is a police officer, and they were following the officer involved shooting procedure. IMHO, it's also very relevant to the prosecution of this case. It's one thing for a 'normal' person to panic and be afraid for their life in the situation described. A trained, experienced, uniformed, and armed police officer should be held to a higher standard.
 
Is it just me, or do any of you feel a littlebit bad for her??






BTW.....she has a great ass, and a nice rack.
Thats just my opinion though, I could be wrong
 
Desert Storm said:
Is it just me, or do any of you feel a littlebit bad for her??






BTW.....she has a great ass, and a nice rack.
Thats just my opinion though, I could be wrong
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She's not a bad looker, but I tend not to have pity for those that enter the wrong domicile and shoot the occupants.
 
Obscurity said:
She's not a bad looker, but I tend not to have pity for those that enter the wrong domicile and shoot the occupants.
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They're hard at work making her look sympathetic because nobody buys that the victim was an evil thug.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
Obscurity said:
She's not a bad looker, but I tend not to have pity for those that enter the wrong domicile and shoot the occupants.
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She looks under 30, and she's probably on that level of maturity too. So, I see this play out one of two ways.

A.) There is more to this story. She lied, shot the guy in anger and, as a result, is going to get her ass handed to her. She will end up serving ten years.

B.) The story she told is mostly true. She is a dumb twit who walked into the wrong apartment, freaked out and blasted away an innocent man by accident. In that case, she will do minimal time, if any at all. But, I am reasonably sure that she will never be a cop again.
 
calamity said:
She looks under 30, and she's probably on that level of maturity too. So, I see this play out one of two ways.

A.) There is more to this story. She lied, shot the guy in anger and, as a result, is going to get her ass handed to her. She will end up serving ten years.

B.) The story she told is mostly true. She is a dumb twit who walked into the wrong apartment, freaked out and blasted away an innocent man by accident. In that case, she will do minimal time, if any at all. But, I am reasonably sure that she will never be a cop again.
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Personally, I want her in jail; even if what she says is true. You don't get to walk into homes and shoot people. "Legal commands" don't count when you yourself are breaking the law.
 
Hatuey said:
They're hard at work making her look sympathetic because nobody buys that the victim was an evil thug.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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She is sympathetic. No one is going to send her away to jail, if her story holds up. She'll plea to a deal, cry during her allocution, swear she's sorry, lose her badge and get a suspended sentence. Everyone will walk away happy---except the people who are already mad--and the world will go on.

If her story does not hold up...now it gets interesting. If she's the scorned lover gone ballistic, she gets the Jody Aries treatment. If she is just someone who flipped out because of noise, well she may find herself becoming a sympathetic figure again.
 
Obscurity said:
Personally, I want her in jail; even if what she says is true. You don't get to walk into homes and shoot people. "Legal commands" don't count when you yourself are breaking the law.
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In a perfect world, you'd be right. But, we live in one which is far from perfect. IMO, no one sends this girl to prison if she's telling the truth. Is it fair? No. Is it how it is? Probably.
 
calamity said:
She is sympathetic. No one is going to send her away to jail, if her story holds up. She'll plea to a deal, cry during her allocution, swear she's sorry, lose her badge and get a suspended sentence. Everyone will walk away happy---except the people who are already mad--and the world will go on.

If her story does not hold up...now it gets interesting. If she's the scorned lover gone ballistic, she gets the Jody Aries treatment. If she is just someone who flipped out because of noise, well she may find herself becoming a sympathetic figure again.
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I disagree on that last part. If that's the case, that means she not only lied but fabricated evidence (moved her car and tossed down her keycard), abused her office, etc., and premeditation comes into play. She would be facing murder, and possibly capital murder. We would be watching this on lifetime in a year.

It will be very interesting to hear what was captured on the security cameras, garage access log, door lock records, and phone records. One of the advantages of having such a 'wired' building involved is that these will either support her story, or blow it out of the water.
 
dcsports said:
I disagree on that last part. If that's the case, that means she not only lied but fabricated evidence (moved her car and tossed down her keycard), abused her office, etc., and premeditation comes into play. She would be facing murder, and possibly capital murder. We would be watching this on lifetime in a year.
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Good points. And, yeah. If she did more than just blow her gasket, the charges should pile up. I guess what I was driving at is that if she pleads guilty to intentional manslaughter instead of just involuntarily making an "oopsie," like she claims, I see her serving no more than 3 years because she will come across as an angelic little sympathetic figure in court.

It will be very interesting to hear what was captured on the security cameras, garage access log, door lock records, and phone records. One of the advantages of having such a 'wired' building involved is that these will either support her story, or blow it out of the water.
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Yes. She will be hard pressed to get by with a fabricated story considering all the attention this has received and the available evidence.
 
calamity said:
In a perfect world, you'd be right. But, we live in one which is far from perfect. IMO, no one sends this girl to prison if she's telling the truth. Is it fair? No. Is it how it is? Probably.
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No one? I'd send her to jail. You don't get to trespass and kill someone and walk away scot free.
 
Tettsuo said:
Does it really matter what she thought? A man lost his life because of her dumb mistake and hasty actions. Manslaughter. If you or I did that, manslaughter. Drunk drivers don't mean to kill people, but they still get charged with manslaughter if they hit someone with their car.
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And I agree. Though, with all this talk about mansluaghter, what happens if I'm driving down the road at 60 mph acvording to the speed limit, completely sober and aware of my surroundings, and all of a sudden some guy jumps in front of me and there's no way I could avoid hitting him and he dies? Would I be charged with manslaughter? This isn't related to the shooting. It's just something that I had in my mind.
 
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