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Dallas officer enters apartment she mistakes for her own, fatally shoots man inside

dirtpoorchris said:
Many times we have seen cops get extra leeway because the jury and people "feel bad for them" even if they are blatantly guilty and making an excuse. So its not a garentee that she will be charged with murder at all. Cops have more rights than us and if one steps on our foot then its not their fault, but ours. They, not the people protesting, make the job harder for good cops.
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I am not ready to accept your claims about cops.

Give you a for example.

We hear of busted for driving for being black

I asked a black in this building yesterday if he is stopped for driving while black.

He told me color has nothing to do with it. His contention is young people may believe it, but they get stopped by cops far more than we older people get stopped. He is not stopped by cops at all. By the way, he spent time in prison in his past.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
So she thought it was her own house but definitely shot someone that didnt have a weapon or hadnt assaulted her yet. Shes a criminal. Its illegal to shoot a person that doesnt have a weapon and isnt assaulting you. Shes a criminal murderer.

So the key is 20% responsible and she is 80% responsible. You don't execute someone sitting in your house, you draw you gun on them and tell them to get out. I hope her entire pension goes to his family.
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In Texas, had he been an intruder she would have been within her rights to shoot. If the roles were reversed and he was the shooter and she was unarmed he would have not been charged. I agree that she should be charged for murder and likely will go to prison for this.
 
VanceMack said:
Do we know she was a white person?.
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Unfortunately at least one study as shown that bias against black men occurs subconsciously in men and women of either race (any race presumably).
I don't think black unarmed men really care who is killing them...just that you know, they are getting killed this way, with guns. Because guns make them safe, they are told.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
The door was most likely unlocked and I can understand accidentally getting apartments mixed after a long day. But it is hard to imagine not knowing it was the wrong apartment the instant you open the door. Smells a bit fishy.
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I was thinking that about the door too...which is why you keep them locked. (But no, absolutely not blaming the victim)

But dont understand entering the wrong apt. Really?
 
biglawnmower said:
like mike brown the attempted cop killer? yea i bet you took his side too..
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Ya right. We all know that the cop shot him for running away and the cop punched himself in the face. Forensics show brown was shot with his hand up in front of him and as he was falling down on his knees. Brown surrendered and the cop kept shooting. But the media spins it and everyone swallows.

Turns out now that he didnt even steal from the store! They were drug dealin' buddies and he was selling the cashier marijuana! And the store NEVER called in a theft the police just backtracked and used the footage as false evidence.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Bobby is a well-know, rabid and open racist based on his history here.
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Then I'll just deliver the rebuttal I had ready (for his inevitable, "you're racist against white people") and leave it alone.



If it makes anyone feel any better, the race and sex of the cop doesn't even matter. Whites get questioned and blacks get shot.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
The black man was surprised and yelled at her in shock, his death warrant. Or she just saw him and immediately murdered him without hesitation. Or she was targeting him. One of those 3.

I guess you can enter peoples houses now and if they show any signs of aggression its ok to murder them. She should get at least 10 years for being a murderous coward that shoots before a weapon is seen.
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If she walked in on me, I'd have every justification to use lethal force to protect myself. That's Castle Doctrine.

My state doesnt have Castle Doctrine but a similar law.

If the person realized their mistake and left before I reached my firearm in my safe room, that would be the best outcome for all.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Yesterday afternoon, i watched on youtube a 20 minute long encounter of a white driver (male) and some white cops.

This man video recorded the entire thing. He thinks he looks innocent.

He said cruise control in his car was set at 54 mph. Cops red light him and on the loudspeaker tell him to keep moving and turn off the road at an intersection. To him, it meant the next street. Cops said he had commercial driveways he could have used. Anyway, when the cop appears at his window, he is ready for bear. Has a paper in his hands on how to confront cops. Says he confronted a lot of cops in his past. Told the cop he is an expert on traffic stops. His speeding ticket is for 65 in a 55 zone. He claims the cost he has to pay is $269. He told the cop he is taking food off his family table, and yadda yadda.

This never resulted in violence or even him taken from his car. Cops talked to him reasonably. He seemed anxious to get arrested to make trouble. Cops let him drive on.

But if you heard his commentary, you may wonder why he was not arrested.

This woman cop probably did not use her key. She would not have the same key for his door. Apartments do not have the same key fitting other apartments. It is a huge liability for the property owner.

When we learn more of the story, we might be able to pass some kind of judgement.

Assuming a person from St. Lucia is black is a reach too. AS one other poster says, perhaps she is who was black.
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Ethnic groups. Saint Lucia's population is predominantly of African and mixed African-European descent, with a small Indo-Caribbean minority (3%). Members of other or unspecified ethnic groups, account for about 2% of the population.

Not that much of a reach.....from Wiki.
 
Lursa said:
If the person realized their mistake and left before I reached my firearm in my safe room, that would be the best outcome for all.
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ecofarm said:
You don't understand why race matters? Have you somehow just exited a bubble wherein you believed we live in utopia?

It's not utopia. Sorry. It's real world and minorities are not treated the same. I know it sucks to put on the big boy pants and deal with an imperfect world, but living in a self serving fantasy isn't helping you or anyone else.
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This is not the issue where you launch into a discussion about me.

I have asked many minorities of their own experiences. As i told one other poster, just yesterday i asked a black man about being stopped by cops for being black. He was puzzled and said it does not happen to him. I have asked very black people from India about this. They deny they get stopped for being black.

None of us know the facts of this event. I do not pass judgement when i lack facts.
 
Lursa said:
Will be interesting to see what, if any, the charges are.

Any regular citizen carrying and making that mistake would be crucified.

And how do you walk into the wrong apt???
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Ive opened the wrong apartment just once. I just wasnt thinking and taking the trash out. And as i was walking back i was distracted and then I totally wastn looking at where i was going at all and just in my own head in la-la land and accidentally went up the stairs one flight too early. But IMMEDIATLY after you open the door you know its not your apartment and go "what the ****?!?!" and close it silently to avoid embarrassment.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Its voluntary manslaughter, murder. The guy sat there without a weapon in his had. Got shocked and made an angry face. And she shot him without ever seeing a weapon. Shes a criminal.
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Exactly. He wasnt an imminent lethal threat. She didnt have to shoot. SHe could have held him at gunpoint and asked questions...or maybe realize it wasnt her place???:doh

As a cop she should definitely have more control.
 
I have requested that this thread be merged with the one that I missed noticing but which was started previously.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Ive opened the wrong apartment just once. I just wasnt thinking and taking the trash out. And as i was walking back i was distracted and then I totally wastn looking at where i was going at all and just in my own head in la-la land and accidentally went up the stairs one flight too early. But IMMEDIATLY after you open the door you know its not your apartment and go "what the ****?!?!" and close it silently to avoid embarrassment.
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I opened a wrong barracks room in Okinawa. It took a few moments of WTF and wondering if the room mate moved furniture. Then backed out quickly.
 
Rexedgar said:
Ethnic groups. Saint Lucia's population is predominantly of African and mixed African-European descent, with a small Indo-Caribbean minority (3%). Members of other or unspecified ethnic groups, account for about 2% of the population.

Not that much of a reach.....from Wiki.
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I guess I am going by experience. i knew a white woman who sold out her restaurant, married a wealthy man and they moved to St. Lucia. Both were white. We used to post a lot on an AOL forum and suddenly she stopped e mailing me. She earlier informed me she had stage 4 cancer and i presume she passed away.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Its illegal to shoot a person that doesnt have a weapon and isnt assaulting you. Shes a criminal murderer.
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Not necessarily. If you reversed the situation and he was armed and she walked unarmed into his home, in most states he's protected by Castle Doctrine or similar law.

Not that you have to shoot them or even should if you can retreat to a safe place and tell them to leave. But someone invading your home is a line drawn in the sand legally in most states. The 'reasonable' belief is that their intent is to do harm.
 
Mach said:
Unfortunately at least one study as shown that bias against black men occurs subconsciously in men and women of either race (any race presumably).
I don't think black unarmed men really care who is killing them...just that you know, they are getting killed this way, with guns. Because guns make them safe, they are told.
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So many assumptions....

I look forward to hearing about what actually happened here. If it turns out this happened the way it is reported in a 2-3 paragraph story, then the citizen, that happens to be a cop, should be charged.

As for the assumptions regarding concern about black men...why do you think cops of all race have that bias?
 
Robertinfremont said:
How do you know he was not armed and raising hell with her?
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It's his home...she had no probable cause (that we know of). As far as he'd know, it was a home invasion of some kind. Esp. if he saw a firearm.

Castle Doctrine or similar law should protect him for protecting himself.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Well thank you for reminding us of another case where the police murdered someone with no chance of seeing a prison cell.
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No problem. I tend to try to stay up on ALL the 'black lives' that matter. You know...they ones you pretend to give a **** about. People **** by cops. Or white people.
 
Lursa said:
Not necessarily. If you reversed the situation and he was armed and she walked unarmed into his home, in most states he's protected by Castle Doctrine or similar law.

Not that you have to shoot them or even should if you can retreat to a safe place and tell them to leave. But someone invading your home is a line drawn in the sand legally in most states. The 'reasonable' belief is that their intent is to do harm.
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Opening an unlocked door and saying hello isnt actually invading. Its weird as hell but totally legal. (although ur still prolly gonna somehow get charged anways)
 
dirtpoorchris said:
I bet it comes out that they had a parking dispute or some crap and then shes really toasted. Or he was on his bed when shot like she creeped through the house.
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How would she know his door would be unlocked?
 
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