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Shooter kills three in downtown Cincinnati, police say shooter also is dead

Lursa said:
IMO the bold is a complete mischaracterization. The right...and many on the left...only want to preserve our rights under the 2A and not see them restricted beyond usefulness.
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Yeah, unfortunately they are currently UNRESTRICTED beyond reason. We can worry about going too far when we've at least tried to go far enough. Furthermore, the right wing idea IS proliferation, it was not a mischaracterization at all. When a tragedy happens, they prescribe more guns. If only the teachers were armed they say. I disagree with your take on this.

I'm tired of bull**** slippery slope arguments being the justification for ignoring that we've got a gun problem.

I dont think you'll find anyone here that is pro-2A supporting 'proliferation' with the idea that felons and the mentally ill should guns, for ex.
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Well, proliferation doesn't mean giving guns to felons, first of all, and I'm not accusing them of that. However, they have supported making guns easier for felons to acquire by consistently opposing regulations requiring gun sales, even between private citizens, to be accompanied by the same background checks as retail transactions, for instance. That's not a crazy thing to require but the repubs continue to obstruct any such legislation.

As for the idea of keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, I always chuckle at that hackneyed piece of conservative faux outrage. The same people who stand on the floor of congress and speak to an invisible overseer have the balls to act concerned about mental illness in others. The truth, if we're brave enough to speak it, is that mental illness is much more widespread, transient and situational than we admit. Therefore, at any time or another, pretty much every person should be restricted from gun possession. If some politician were to utter those words, though, it would be their end. Fortunately, I'm no politician. I don't have to stroke the bellies of NRA lobbyists.

I like you, Lursa, and I find your heart in the right place on almost everything. I'm a little surprised you haven't seen through the cloud of BS that is the conservative gun paranoia circus. Throughout this whole debate I've been trying to get someone to admit that guns are not morally neutral devices. They are not. They are, by design, deadly. Can we, at least, admit what is obvious? Maybe not.
 
TurtleDude said:
Nuclear explosives can cause cancer or other issues merely being near them. I have an M4 Carbine right behind my desk for 10 years now and a Beretta M9 in my desk here-I haven't suffered any deleterious impact.
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Well, I pity the secret muslim who tries to invade your office. You must feel very secure.

the comment about "retards" is pretty funny given how stupid and dishonest the anti gun arguments are
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Such as? How would you compare their relative stupidity to the conservative argument that guns aren't dangerous.

there are lots of conservatives who don't own guns. There are lots of conservatives who are crime victims. Yet very few conservatives see gun control as crime control. Nor do most dem leaders. They see gun control as a way to pretend they are controlling crime without actually making things any worse for criminals. that is an important issue because cracking down on crime-like Project Exile did-is usually opposed by important democrat party supporters-such as the NAACP and the ACLU.
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I don't see gun control as crime control. ****, in China, guns are hard to get but people go on cleaver or butcher knife attack missions. I'm not saying that better controls on guns will stop crime, I'm saying that it will make criminals less effective. Even the best cleaver attackers only had a dozen or so victims, and they don't all die. Look at what guns can do, though. It's really the much better way to slaughter innocents and guns won't even bother to disguise themselves as kitchen tools. They're more HONEST, in your face, right?

It's funny how when conservatives start making things worse for criminals, they always make everything worse for everybody. You guys are one trick ponies. If you can't kill the problem you want to smash it, crack down with an iron fist, blah blah blah. Conservatives love to build prisons for black people but schools are too expensive. Having only hammers in your tool box, everything looks like a nail.
 
D_NATURED said:
Well, I pity the secret muslim who tries to invade your office. You must feel very secure.



Such as? How would you compare their relative stupidity to the conservative argument that guns aren't dangerous.



I don't see gun control as crime control. ****, in China, guns are hard to get but people go on cleaver or butcher knife attack missions. I'm not saying that better controls on guns will stop crime, I'm saying that it will make criminals less effective. Even the best cleaver attackers only had a dozen or so victims, and they don't all die. Look at what guns can do, though. It's really the much better way to slaughter innocents and guns won't even bother to disguise themselves as kitchen tools. They're more HONEST, in your face, right?

It's funny how when conservatives start making things worse for criminals, they always make everything worse for everybody. You guys are one trick ponies. If you can't kill the problem you want to smash it, crack down with an iron fist, blah blah blah. Conservatives love to build prisons for black people but schools are too expensive. Having only hammers in your tool box, everything looks like a nail.
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ah the race card-just like clockwork.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...01309990777_story.html?utm_term=.3f061854465b

Police said three people were killed in downtown Cincinnati on Thursday morning after a shooter opened fire in the central business district. The shooter also is dead, police said, and an additional five people suffered injuries in the attack.

Police Chief Eliot Isaac said that officers exchanged gunfire with the shooter, but it was not immediately clear if police shot and killed him or if he killed himself. Though the scene was announced as secure at about 9:15 a.m., the circumstances surrounding the shooting were unclear, and police said they are trying to determine a motive.
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Weekly shoot-em-ups have become a fixture in modern American society.
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They have been forever... in fact there are probably far less shooting today than there were in the past...
 
Maccabee said:
Exactly how big is that problem? How many criminals go through this route?
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Is the number important? How many terrorists are sneaking bombs onto planes?
 
Maccabee said:
It is when you are dealing with constitutionally protected rights.
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So how many terrorists are sneaking bombs onto planes currently because I have been going thru some warrantless searches by the TSA
 
vegas giants said:
So how many terrorists are sneaking bombs onto planes currently because I have been going thru some warrantless searches by the TSA
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Frankly I don't like how the TSA is being run. They had a 95% fail rate of detecting weapons. I've heard Isreal does a better job without violating privacy rights.
 
Maccabee said:
Frankly I don't like how the TSA is being run. They had a 95% fail rate of detecting weapons. I've heard Isreal does a better job without violating privacy rights.
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You avoid the point. We spend BILLIONS on anti terrorism measures and forgo constitutional rights for something that happens incredibly rarely....terrorism on a US citizen in the US
 
vegas giants said:
You avoid the point. We spend BILLIONS on anti terrorism measures and forgo constitutional rights for something that happens incredibly rarely....terrorism on a US citizen in the US
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I'm speaking out of ethics. Ethcically speaking numbers do matter when dealing with Constitutionally protected rights.
 
Maccabee said:
I'm speaking out of ethics. Ethcically speaking numbers do matter when dealing with Constitutionally protected rights.
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Like my right not to be searched. You are making my point
 
vegas giants said:
Like my right not to be searched. You are making my point
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For one if officers have probable cause then they can search you. For another I fail to see how I'm making your point. What is your point?
 
Howard the Duck said:
Whoever would be caught with it in their possession would be guilty of a crime.
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Yes, because it is already illegal to remove the serial number. It doesn't change the fact that by removing the serial number it renders any registration useless and doesn't stop straw purchases.
 
vegas giants said:
A lot of that tax money is going to the federal government.....you do know that....right?
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That doesn't prevent Canadian provinces from doing it and California has an economy twice as large as the entire country of Canada let alone the individual provinces.
 
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