Trump’s pollution rules rollback to hit coal country hard

PIPEWRENCH said:

The coal I use is clean.

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Since there is no such thing as "Clean Coal" (there isn't any such thing as "Clean Diesel" either), I'll give the remainder of your "response" all the weight that it's intellectual vigour and relevance to the thread topic that it deserves.

PS- Your "Except today they are illegal aliens we are exploiting to keep wages down and force people to work in dangerous working conditions." has even less to do with the thread topic - but "Nice try.".

YorkshirePete said:

Guess you didn't grow up in coal country where all your friends grandfathers died at 60?
Most with black lung?
Ever been down a mine?

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But that's the point. It's not his grandfather, and it's not Trump's grandfather, so why worry?

TU Curmudgeon said:

Since there is no such thing as "Clean Coal" (there isn't any such thing as "Clean Diesel" either), I'll give the remainder of your "response" all the weight that it's intellectual vigour and relevance to the thread topic that it deserves.

PS- Your "Except today they are illegal aliens we are exploiting to keep wages down and force people to work in dangerous working conditions." has even less to do with the thread topic - but "Nice try.".

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A lot of it is relevant. The fact that you are clueless about the coal region here in the NE US is more than obvious. My uncle who recently died at 90 years of age started out mining coal as a 10 year old. When the mines in our area flooded he went to work operating a bulldozer and front loader. He loaded coal into train cars that had already been dug out of the ground from before he was born until he retired at 67. These culm banks he was removing were polluting the environment and would continue to do so for thousands of years. All the coal/culm he loaded in train cars for 40+ years was part of cleaning up the environment from coal mining done in the 1800's and the first part of the 1900's. The low grade coal that was piled up in these culm banks was mixed with high grade coal and burned for electricity and to heat peoples homes. There is still culm banks that need to be removed and the environment cleaned up. The coal/culm needs to be cleaned up and used to fix back the destruction to the land that was done in the past. Of course we are fixing a problem here while you are creating a problem there. I could write a book on the need to continue to clean up these culm banks and use this recourse than has already been mined for energy. Where these culm banks have been removed we now have warehouses distribution centers putting people back to work. The area has been transformed from a terrible site similar to what you are currently doing in your country to an environmentally friendly area that also provides jobs.

TU Curmudgeon said:

Since there is no such thing as "Clean Coal" (there isn't any such thing as "Clean Diesel" either), I'll give the remainder of your "response" all the weight that it's intellectual vigour and relevance to the thread topic that it deserves.

PS- Your "Except today they are illegal aliens we are exploiting to keep wages down and force people to work in dangerous working conditions." has even less to do with the thread topic - but "Nice try.".

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Where once an ugly environmental catastrophe once stood we now have a state of the art warehouse providing jobs. Plus all that mountain of coal/culm was used for electricity and to heat peoples homes. The rock and dirt were used to build roads and as clean fill leveling of areas to build industrial parks that are now providing jobs for the people in this area. It is a win/win situation for everyone in the area.

PIPEWRENCH said:

A lot of it is relevant. The fact that you are clueless about the coal region here in the NE US is more than obvious. My uncle who recently died at 90 years of age started out mining coal as a 10 year old. When the mines in our area flooded he went to work operating a bulldozer and front loader. He loaded coal into train cars that had already been dug out of the ground from before he was born until he retired at 67. These culm banks he was removing were polluting the environment and would continue to do so for thousands of years. All the coal/culm he loaded in train cars for 40+ years was part of cleaning up the environment from coal mining done in the 1800's and the first part of the 1900's. The low grade coal that was piled up in these culm banks was mixed with high grade coal and burned for electricity and to heat peoples homes. There is still culm banks that need to be removed and the environment cleaned up. The coal/culm needs to be cleaned up and used to fix back the destruction to the land that was done in the past. Of course we are fixing a problem here while you are creating a problem there. I could write a book on the need to continue to clean up these culm banks and use this recourse than has already been mined for energy. Where these culm banks have been removed we now have warehouses distribution centers putting people back to work. The area has been transformed from a terrible site similar to what you are currently doing in your country to an environmentally friendly area that also provides jobs.

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Obviously you haven't attempted to live in the outskirts of suburban Fort McMurray.

Liberals are just fine with trading with other countries that burn coal.

Phony bastards.

Mycroft said:

One problem: UN and US sanctions against NK. China actually voted FOR the UN sanctions. The US sanctions are even more severe. Do you REALLY think China will risk violating UN sanctions? Do you REALLY think China will risk ALL of their US trade?

I don't.

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As of now the US has put tariffs on basically everything they import from China. The US no longer holds that stick. It was always only useful as a threat- now everything that comes from China will cost Americans more.
Brilliant move. It's like using a shotgun for a flyswatter if you only have the one shell.

PIPEWRENCH said:

Canada should be real proud of their environmentally friendly production of oil and coal.:lamo

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Is that a forest? I know it is a nature preserve.:lol:

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Won't take long for all that to grow over. We've got pretty strict rules about reclamation.
Hey, know where a lot of that 'dirty' oil goes? American companies buy it at Canadian domestic prices under NAFTA, refine it and then sell it on the world market. That lets the creative mathematicians in the US government count the same barrel of oil as a negative in the balance of trade with Canada and a positive in the balance with Europe or wherever it ends up. Ain't statistics fun?

Grand Mal said:

As of now the US has put tariffs on basically everything they import from China. The US no longer holds that stick. It was always only useful as a threat- now everything that comes from China will cost Americans more.
Brilliant move. It's like using a shotgun for a flyswatter if you only have the one shell.

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If stuff from China costs more, that will only reduce the amount of stuff bought from China. The stick will continue to whack China.

Mycroft said:

If stuff from China costs more, that will only reduce the amount of stuff bought from China. The stick will continue to whack China.

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No it won't. American consumers will still buy Chinese stuff. Wanna bet these tariffs don't make a dent in what America imports from China?
What it will do, tariffs being collected by the feds, is help make up the lost revenue from the tax reform. Tariffs are basically a tax on American consumers.

TU Curmudgeon said:

Obviously you haven't attempted to live in the outskirts of suburban Fort McMurray.

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No. Never been there. But I do know it takes too long to for the land to recover when the top soil is stripped away.

These culm banks in PA have been here now over 100 years and they are still an environmental catastrophe. I was hoping our local government would use the tax money from the oil and gas to fix the land back. But as usual they used the money to give themselves and other government workers raises. The only thing our government is good for is funneling our tax dollars into government workers pockets. They always use the same lie that they will create a new tax on someone or something to keep our taxes low. First it was the lottery, then gambling, oh lets not forget the stadiums that we are still subsidizing. We have some of the highest gasoline and diesel taxes in the country and the worst roads. The money is clearly not going towards our roads and bridges. The destruction of this country will be our over bloated government and the tax burden on our people.

Grand Mal said:

What it will do, tariffs being collected by the feds, is help make up the lost revenue from the tax reform. Tariffs are basically a tax on American consumers.

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Shhhhh, it's not a tax. It's MAGA!

Mycroft said:

If stuff from China costs more, that will only reduce the amount of stuff bought from China. The stick will continue to whack China.

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Considering that there isn't a single country (other than the United States of America) that the Chinese can sell their goods to, you have an absolutely irrefutable point.

Did you know that, already, there are people within the Chinese government who are starting to think that diversifying their market and reducing their reliance on the "easy sale" to the United States of America is a "Good Thing"?

Did you know that if the Chinese do diversify their market, that means that the goods which had previously gone to the US would then go to markets that American industries had been servicing?

Did you know that the only (practicable) way that those new (for the Chinese) markets can afford to buy from China is to sell to China?

Did you know that if those new (for China) markets sell to China then those goods will be in competition with the same goods that the American industries are attempting to sell to China?

Did you know that the effect of tariffs imposed by the Chinese government on American goods will make them less competitive against the goods which the new (for China) markets are attempting to sell in China?

Do you think that the US economy could stand a hit of -11.6% to its GDP?

If (as an example) the PRC entered into a 10 year contract to buy 100% of the exportable Potash that Canada produced, what effect would that have on:

1. the Canadian economy;
2. the Chinese economy; and
3. the American economy?

What would be the effect on the American economy if the Chinese government simply laid off a couple of dozen people (who all happened to work in the "Rare Earth Metals Export Licence Application Processing Office") and imposed new "impact study" requirements so that the amount of Rare Earth Metals available to American industry shrank to an effective trickle? What would happen to the American economy if the Chinese government declared that Rare Earth Metals were "essential to national security" and stopped exporting them completely (except to countries that could establish, to the satisfaction of the Chinese government - in such manner and degree as the Chinese government in its unfettered discretion chose - deemed "non-threatening" AND did not grant that designation to the United States of America)?

JustHanging said:

Shhhhh, it's not a tax. It's MAGA!

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